so your saying everyone that goes to any church in any city is saved ad there is not a lost person in there that still needs saved?
SEPT COULD BE THE RAPTURE !!!!!
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I'm not sure you understood the post. What part of this is untrue -
1. The local church consists of unbelievers amongst true believers.
2. The universal church consists of only true believers.
I am saying standing in the building or fellowshipping with them does not make them one of the church.
But yes there are those unbelievers in the church building....and in fellowship.
There are also remnant as well as carnal believers.
Paul said to cast out those with reckless gross sin.
If you mean the church building, then yes.
I am viewing this from heavens perspective.
The episcopal church has homosexuals.
Are they the church?
But to the outside,. they are part of the church..
Not the universal church, the local church.. Not everyone the apostles wrote to where saved, yet he wrote to them because they were part of the fellowship who were there..
its no different
they are a local church yes
are they the church, Most likely not.. (there is no perfect church. so I would not judge
I had no such point to make about the virgins, so you're dead wrong on that. My point was very simple: Matt 24 does not say what you are saying.
Your logic -
1. Pre-trib rapture must be true...
2. Therefore Matt 24 can't mean what it says because it doesn't fit...
3. Otherwise pre-trib rapture would be false. See 1.
This is one of many reasons I reject pre-trib theory. It's built on a house of cards.
The Many Scriptural Reasons I believe God's Sound Doctrine built on His Word Of Truth, Rightly
Divided!:
God's Great GRACE Departure! {aka rapture}
Outline!:
"Do all things Decently And In Order!" (1 Corinthians 14:40 AV)
(1A) PEACE With God! Receiving The Holy Spirit For understanding?
(1B) 1A e-x-p-a-n-d-e-d for Clarification?
(2a) Which Bible: AV, or, any "newer modern version" will suffice?
(2b) AV And God's Bible study Rules!
(3a) God's Word Of Truth, Rightly Divided! - Brief Introduction...
(3b) Three "Ages" Rightly Divided! = God's Timelines?
(4) Which "Gospel" Makes Way For Which "Gospel"?
(5) GREAT Tribulation? or, tribulations/GREAT GRACE Departure!?
(6) Pre-TOJT GRACE Departure Expectations!?
(7) God's Heavenly UPlook For His Body!?
(8) Watching, Waiting, And Looking: For WHOM! or, For "signs"?
(9) God's Removal Of His Body Of CHRIST!:
(10) "Day Of CHRIST { Light }!" / Rightly Divided from {RDf}:
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \ "The Day Of The LORD [ Darkness ]!"?
(11) Confidence in death/resurrection, Or, in living/glorification!?
(12) CHRIST Will Come "Without Warning!"?
(13) The Two "Trumps" Of God, In His "Age Of GRACE"?
(14) Meeting Him "In The Air" Up To Heaven! vs U-turn (theology?)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Back down To earth?
(15) Preparation For [ Israel's tribulation? OR: ]
The Judgment Seat Of Christ!? (1 Corinthians 3:8-15 AV)
(16) Post Departure Deception Question?
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Conclusion = Part 17:
"Wherefore Comfort one another With These Words." (1 Thessalonians 4:18 AV)Amen.
Oh I see, well I would disagree because the parable said they didn't bring extra oil note extra in this parable
Jesus will keep the time table of His Father.
It could be that the oil in the lamps refers to the spirit of natural life, that once it ran out that life was extinguished and they all slept the sleep of death.
And the oil refill is the spirit of eternal life, that the wise virgins had wisely stored away and could enter the lord's presence when he arrived; whereas the foolish virgins had not stored oil in preparation for that day and thus their lamps were extinguished, symbolizing eternal death.
That is a interesting way of looking at it, oil in the bible often represents annointing and many say the oil represents the holy spirit but I honestly have not found that anywhere in scripture.
Oil always represents holy spirit. Consider the 7-fold lampstand in the temple. It was a hollow vessel that was filled with oil and a wick that burned producing light. That candlestick could do nothing of itself, but was merely a vessel to hold oil that did the work. I think you can see the analogy.
Likewise, Jesus is pictured in Revelation as walking among the 7 gold lampstands. This symbolizes the spirit of Jesus bringing light to the 7 assemblies that could do nothing of themselves. The assembly in Ephesus was trying very hard to please Jesus with their works, and he praised them for those, but he rebuked them for taking their eyes off of him walking in their midst which is what produced the light.
Likewise, the two sons of anointing that stand before the lord of the earth feed the 7-fold lampstand before God with oil so it will produce light. This again is analogous to Jesus walking among the 7 lampstands which produce light through his spirit.
If I think of other examples I will post them
The 2 anointed ones below actually is sons of oil in the Hebrew.
Then answered I, and said unto him, What are these two olive trees upon the right side of the candlestick and upon the left side thereof? And I answered again, and said unto him, What be these two olive branches which through the two golden pipes empty the golden oil out of themselves? And he answered me and said, Knowest thou not what these be? And I said, No, my lord. Then said he, These are the two anointed ones, that stand by the Lord of the whole earth. Zechariah 4:11-14