Really?? I have not seen that one. I guess "humble" is not a word I naturally associate with @Rufus
You also don't naturally associate it with Jesus, along with His highly exalted status of Federal Headship over God's elect.
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You also don't naturally associate it with Jesus, along with His highly exalted status of Federal Headship over God's elect.
That is a non-answer.
So you were never a sinner in need of salvation? You were not an enemy?
You were never a natural man in this world?
Of course you were at one point in time. How did you humble that natural man to receive His Grace?
Or
You have always been righteous, holy and good.
It is the Lord Himself who said believe in His Son so "believing" is meant to be a work of man but that is not what saves you nor does it produce faith in and of itself. God isn't believing on your behalf, He requires you to do it which is why He gave us volition to begin with.
Faith is the result of salvation, believing is something we must do, not only in regard to the Gospel but throughout our walk with the Lord. The power in His word is what transforms our believing into faith and why it must be tested to see if what we say "I believe" is indeed in the truth of the Word for only from the word can faith come.
One can only have as much faith as they have truth. You can say you believe something to the cows come home and you might be utterly dinkum about it, but if what you believe is not true or if you only think you believe it but testing shows you to be lacking, you will not have faith.
So you can believe one must be born again before they can believe, but if it is not true, you do not have faith and without faith, you cannot please God.
Behavior can also be rebellion against sound doctrine in action.
False doctrines thrive where there is an arrogant self-righteousness wanting to get its own way.
For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to
suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to
say what their itching ears want to hear.
2 Timothy 4:3
How come it does not also happen to the humble, like it seems so much to happen to the proud?
You need to learn how to read! When I said yesterday applies strictly to the the "church fathers" and not to the apostles. Go back and reread my post.
God gives Grace to the humble.
How did the proud, arrogant and God hating natural man get this Grace?
I'm almost embarrassed having to repeatedly post these verses but for some reason, for those who believe as you do,
they keep getting overlooked. So, here they are again. True belief occurs within someone only by/from/as God's gift to them.
[Jhn 6:29 KJV] 29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.
[Phl 1:29 KJV] 29 For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;
It is not a one shot deal. There is pre-salvation grace. And, post salvation grace.
Pre-salvation grace must be commissioned by God to get an unregenerated soul into a position to be made able to believe.
God does the initiation in that case.
But, look at King Saul.
He started off humble.
Later, became insanely proud and died the sin onto death.
Why the sin onto death?
Saul after regeneration was responsible for humbling himself before God.
Saul refused, and died a horrific death.
Completely agree.
This is Just a little exercise to show yet another contradiction in their theory.
You forgot to add what they teach is true [unlike us FWers]
FTFY and especially for RDBD!
They do not know what they need to know to think with.
A good pastor-teacher would supply the needed correct thinking that would lead to a prosperity of soul.
Why is only applicable to you, and not also the Christian opposing your stand?
When I first started reading the Bible (about 11yo) and I came across the passage where Jesus said "learn from me for I am humble" Matt.11:29 I thought "wow, you're brave". It was either that, or he was stupid, the rest of the Gospels informed me he was not stupid.
I always found Him to be more than worthy of my attention. There are few others I would consider are worthy of my attention yet even there, only to a degree, knowing that we do get things wrong and must be always open to learning more.