Israel.

[God-fearing]

Of course God doesn't get in to politics, that's why Israel is counterfeit. Man's quest to force prophecy. So they say...

Daniel 2:44 describes the eternal and indestructible kingdom of God, which will be established by God in the time of the final human kingdoms, overthrowing all other empires to endure forever. This divine kingdom, prophesied through Nebuchadnezzar's dream and represented by a stone not cut by human hands, will bring an everlasting era of divine rule, justice, and peace on Earth with Jesus Christ as its king.

The Prophecy Explained

• The End of Human Kingdoms:
  The verse predicts the establishment of God's kingdom during the era of the final human empires, represented by the feet and toes of iron and clay in Nebuchadnezzar's dream.
  
  
• The Divine Stone:
  This kingdom is likened to a stone, cut from a mountain without human intervention, symbolizing its divine origin and power.
  
  
• Destruction of Other Kingdoms:
  The divine stone kingdom will break in pieces and consume all preceding human empires.
  
  
• Eternal Rule:
  Unlike the transient empires of men, this kingdom will never be destroyed, never be passed on to another people, and will stand forever.
  

The Kingdom's Characteristics

• Jesus Christ as King:
  The kingdom will be ruled by Jesus Christ, who will defeat all human rebellion and establish his everlasting rule from Jerusalem.
  
  
• A Literal Kingdom on Earth:
  The prophecy points to a real, tangible, and physical kingdom centered on Earth, not just a spiritual or symbolic concept.
  
  
• Peace and Justice:
  This kingdom will usher in an eternal time of peace, unity, and joy, characterized by universal obedience to God's law.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

Chosen long Abrogated – most Israelites long gone – killed, dispersed, inter mingled / married, etc… possibly a few living in the middle east - arguably Ethiopian Jews probably the closest - not European converts – Ashkenazi’s etc..

No, debunked and simply not true.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

The reality is they are Gentiles now according to scripture, God never ceases to amaze.

It was prophesied

Then said God, Call his name Loammi: for ye are not my people, and I will not be your God. Yet the number of the children of Israel shall be as the sand of the sea, which cannot be measured nor numbered; and it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people, there it shall be said unto them, Ye are the sons of the living God. Hosea 1:9-10​

 

[God-fearing]

This is really true because if God's people are those born from above, and they are only those born from above, then all of those not born from above are the nations, ie, gentiles, in God's eyes. Yet bible literalists spiritualize a secular nation born from below, ie, created by man, into being the nation of God.

But then again there is no Jew or gentile in christ so how do you come to this conclusion?

 

[God-fearing]

Mat 19:28 And Jesus said to them, Truly I say to you that in the time when all things are made new, and the Son of man is seated in his glory, you who have come after me will be seated on twelve seats, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

Mat 25:31 But when the Son of man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, then will he be seated in his glory:

Luk 1:32 He will be great, and will be named the Son of the Most High: and the Lord God will give him the kingdom of David, his father:

Luk 1:33 He will have rule over the house of Jacob for ever, and of his kingdom there will be no end.

 

[HeIsHere]

It was prophesied

Then said God, Call his name Loammi: for ye are not my people, and I will not be your God. Yet the number of the children of Israel shall be as the sand of the sea, which cannot be measured nor numbered; and it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people, there it shall be said unto them, Ye are the sons of the living God. Hosea 1:9-10​

I admire your tenacity and dedication to the truth here, people stating there is "no genocide" makes me ill.

How devoid of humanity one must be to make such a statement, they should never, ever lift a voice against abortion again, they have zero, zilch credibility.
I appreciate you continued efforts, I really do.

 

[brightfame52]

The hatred of Jews has been a constant since Abraham was chosen. Satan hates them. No other people has been so persecuted throughout history and it continues today. Satan hates God and cannot defeat him so he seeks to destroy his creation.

Believers in Christ have and for a godly reason. In fact reprobate jews of the nation israel are responsible for the greater persecution of saved jews Matt 5:11-12

11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.

12 Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.


Matt 23 33-35

33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?

34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:

35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.

Acts 7:52

Which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted? and they have slain them which shewed before of the coming of the Just One; of whom ye have been now the betrayers and murderers:

1 Thess 2:14-16

14 For ye, brethren, became followers of the churches of God which in Judaea are in Christ Jesus: for ye also have suffered like things of your own countrymen, even as they have of the Jews:

15 Who both killed the Lord Jesus, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and they please not God, and are contrary to all men:

16 Forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they might be saved, to fill up their sins alway: for the wrath is come upon them to the uttermost.

So jews in and of themselves have never been persecuted for righteousness and Christs sake, but have been the aggressive persecutors.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

I admire your tenacity and dedication to the truth here, people stating there is "no genocide" makes me ill.

How devoid of humanity one must be to make such a statement, they should never, ever lift a voice against abortion again, they have zero, zilch credibility.
I appreciate you continued efforts, I really do.

I think most of them mean well and think they are doing God service, but the lies taught by TV preaching clowns and their ilk stick to them like a tar-baby, preventing them from letting go of the lies when scripture contradicts them. So they go into denial and manufacture torturous twisting of scripture and unending justifications and excuses for the object of their veneration when it acts in ungodly ways.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

It was prophesied

Then said God, Call his name Loammi: for ye are not my people, and I will not be your God. Yet the number of the children of Israel shall be as the sand of the sea, which cannot be measured nor numbered; and it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people, there it shall be said unto them, Ye are the sons of the living God. Hosea 1:9-10​

Romans 11

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

So they go into denial and manufacture torturous twisting of scripture

The post directly above is a perfect example of this

 

[God-fearing]

Believers in Christ have and for a godly reason. In fact reprobate jews of the nation israel are responsible for the greater persecution of saved jews Matt 5:11-12

11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.

12 Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.


Matt 23 33-35

33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?

34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:

35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.

Acts 7:52

Which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted? and they have slain them which shewed before of the coming of the Just One; of whom ye have been now the betrayers and murderers:

1 Thess 2:14-16

14 For ye, brethren, became followers of the churches of God which in Judaea are in Christ Jesus: for ye also have suffered like things of your own countrymen, even as they have of the Jews:

15 Who both killed the Lord Jesus, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and they please not God, and are contrary to all men:

16 Forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they might be saved, to fill up their sins alway: for the wrath is come upon them to the uttermost.

So jews in and of themselves have never been persecuted for righteousness and Christs sake, but have been the aggressive persecutors.

Believers in Christ have and for a godly reason. In fact reprobate jews of the nation israel are responsible for the greater persecution of saved jews Matt 5:11-12

11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.

12 Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.


Matt 23 33-35

33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?

34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:

35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.

Acts 7:52

Which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted? and they have slain them which shewed before of the coming of the Just One; of whom ye have been now the betrayers and murderers:

1 Thess 2:14-16

14 For ye, brethren, became followers of the churches of God which in Judaea are in Christ Jesus: for ye also have suffered like things of your own countrymen, even as they have of the Jews:

15 Who both killed the Lord Jesus, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and they please not God, and are contrary to all men:

16 Forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they might be saved, to fill up their sins alway: for the wrath is come upon them to the uttermost.

So jews in and of themselves have never been persecuted for righteousness and Christs sake, but have been the aggressive persecutors.

And this is how we look at all the jews today, in the last sentence here, started out fine at first but quickly went to jews in general.
I believe this refers to the pharisees and such which I said a pharisees is a type of person.
Let's keep it going. Now we have a godly hate.

 

[brightfame52]

Luk 1:33 He will have rule over the house of Jacob for ever, and of his kingdom there will be no end.

Please study this:

Luke 1:33 (KJB)

And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.

He shall be King of the Jews forever! The Jews are not the physical Jews but those who have become saved, the spiritual Jews.

(Rom 2:28-29 KJV) For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: {29} But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

(Phil 3:3 KJV) For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh.

(Gal 3:16 KJV) Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

(Gal 3:29 KJV) And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

(Rom 11:26 KJV) And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

The house of Jacob is another term for the eternal body of believers in Christ. The covenants given to Abraham in Genesis all have an eternal emphasis and Christ’s Kingdom will have no end which means it is eternal. (Gen 17:7-8 KJV) And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee. {8} And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God. The only everlasting covenant in Scripture is the covenant of Grace whereby a person is saved for eternity.

https://www.scionofzion.com/luke_1_31_35.html

 

[brightfame52]

And this is how we look at all the jews today, in the last sentence here, started out fine at first but quickly went to jews in general.
I believe this refers to the pharisees and such which I said a pharisees is a type of person.
Let's keep it going. Now we have a godly hate.

That scripture specifically said jews. And when Jesus could have been released, it was most of the people that said crucify Him and to release the robber instead. Such base ingratitude in light of all the good He did to that people while living among them. Most of the people were disappointed with Him because they misunderstood His Mission as King, it was never to be anything earthly like the overthrow of roman rule and exalting the jews over all people, their sentiments were always guided by their fleshly appetites, for the bread.

 

[TMS]

How do people explain Roms 11:19-24 ?

19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in. 20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear: 21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee. 22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off. 23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again. 24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree?

What is the condition to be grafted in?
Belief in Jesus. Faith in the salvation of Jesus. If the Jews do not believe this they will not be grafted back in.

 

[God-fearing]

How do people explain Roms 11:19-24 ?

19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in. 20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear: 21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee. 22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off. 23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again. 24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree?

What is the condition to be grafted in?
Belief in Jesus. Faith in the salvation of Jesus. If the Jews do not believe this they will not be grafted back in.

True very true
But God is working on that. Many jews are discovering that the new testament is very Jewish and Jesus was and is a part of their history. More and more questions are being asked especially in the younger generation.
It's a very difficult subject to discuss in a orthodox Jewish society but the walls are starting to crumble praise God.

 

[Needevidence]

No, debunked and simply not true.

same old line but dont respond to the points I made!

 

[shittim]

True very true
But God is working on that. Many jews are discovering that the new testament is very Jewish and Jesus was and is a part of their history. More and more questions are being asked especially in the younger generation.
It's a very difficult subject to discuss in a orthodox Jewish society but the walls are starting to crumble praise God.

Yes! He is being revealed to them at this very time.

 

[brightfame52]

The Old Testament Saints are part of Christ Body the Church, or they will not partake of the resurrection in the Last day which they had an eye to. Christ is the firstfruits 1 Cor 15:12-23

12 Now if Christ be preached that he rose from the dead, how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead? 13 But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen: 14 and if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain. 15 Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God; because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ: whom he raised not up, if so be that the dead rise not. 16 For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised: 17 and if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins. 18 Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished. 19 If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable. 20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept. 21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ’s at his coming.

Jesus Christ is the resurrection Jn 11:24-25

24 Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day. 25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life:

Paul testifies that the OT Fathers believed in the resurrection Acts 24:14-15

14 But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets: 15 and have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow, that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and unjust.

Now the resurrection of the just, or Justified of all time is contingent upon being in Christ ! Its only in Him that all shall be made alive. That goes for King David, or the Philippian Jailor. 6

 

[God-fearing]

The Old Testament Saints are part of Christ Body the Church, or they will not partake of the resurrection in the Last day which they had an eye to. Christ is the firstfruits 1 Cor 15:12-23

12 Now if Christ be preached that he rose from the dead, how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead? 13 But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen: 14 and if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain. 15 Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God; because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ: whom he raised not up, if so be that the dead rise not. 16 For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised: 17 and if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins. 18 Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished. 19 If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable. 20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept. 21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ’s at his coming.

Jesus Christ is the resurrection Jn 11:24-25

24 Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day. 25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life:

Paul testifies that the OT Fathers believed in the resurrection Acts 24:14-15

14 But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets: 15 and have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow, that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and unjust.

Now the resurrection of the just, or Justified of all time is contingent upon being in Christ ! Its only in Him that all shall be made alive. That goes for King David, or the Philippian Jailor. 6

Amen..this is the key of what I believe is the opening statement of the gospel of John.
In the beginning was the word.....and the word was with God. .....and the word was God.
The Word of Life
1Jn 1:1 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life;

The old testament saints took God at his word and acted on it. Their actions showed their faith.

11:8 By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went.

Heb 11:9 By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise:

Heb 11:10 For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God.

Jesus as we know is the word of God. Jesus said no sign shall be given only the sign of Jonah. Pointing to the resurrection.

 

[brightfame52]

The Church, the Body of Christ is the Seed of Abraham, for its seen when we consider a couple of verses in Hebrews to start. Heb 2:11

11 For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren,

This no doubt refers to Christ as the " He that sanctifieth" and the " we who are sanctified" are His Body the Church, and they are of One or they are One. The Head and His Members are One 1 Cor 12:12

12 For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ.

Col 1:18

And he[Christ] is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.

Now lets look again in Heb 2:16-17

16 For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.

17 Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people

So He became One when He took on the seed of Abraham in the flesh, He identified in the flesh with those He is the Head of, they also being the members of His Body.

Christ is the Seed of Abraham Gal 3:16

16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

And His Body the Church is Abrahams Seed Gal 3:29

29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise. 6