Sadly, People think they are stfronger than God and can rip themselves out of Gods hands
Is it ok to be once saved always saved.
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I am curious how they would counter this verse, would they try to make it say something it isn't? would they just ignore it and post a verse of their own? Could it be they simply cannot argue against it?
In John 10:27-28, we read - My sheep hear My voice, (not some of them hear His voice and some of them don't hear His voice) and I know them, (not some of them He knows and some of them He doesn't know) and they follow Me. (not some of them follow Him and some of them don't follow Him) And I give them eternal life, (not some of them He gives eternal life and some of them He doesn't give eternal life) and they shall never perish; (not some of them will never perish and some of them will perish) neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand. (not some of them will never be snatched out of His hand and some of them will be snatched out of His hand)
His sheep have eternal security. In contrast with those do not believe and are not His sheep. (John 10:25-26)
Wow, you teach in heresy. You are not proving anything other than proving you don’t understand Scripture!
I gave you verses that even used the word “Baptism” and you say that God’s word is contradicting, simply because you’re wresting Scripture; your misconstrued interpretation doesn’t fit into the verses I’m giving so you dismiss them labeling them contradicting. The only contradiction is you…..
OSAS is heresy! You can’t prove anything using the Scriptures you gave, because you’re dismissing the other verses throughout Scripture telling you that you can fall from grace…..
John 10:28-29. Jesus states, "I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one can snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father's hand
What do you make of this verse from the mouth of Jesus himself? OSAS is not heresy it is in the fathers hands
OSAS is heresy! That has nothing what so ever to do with people falling away.
And how exactly does not have anything to do with it? the fact is you can't refute it can you? So you resort to simply saying heresy and you have nothing to back up your claim, face it you have lost this discussion
Why worry about it? I mean there all
kinds of other stuff to worry about. How many of us have friends and family that need a breakthrough? How bout take a break from OSAS argument and press in to get answers for those in need. Then when you have time, go ahead and think about OSAS.
-“You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.”
Galatians 5:4 NKJV
-“looking carefully lest anyone fall short of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up cause trouble, and by this many become defiled;”
Hebrews 12:15 NKJV
There are many verses, this is just 2 but this should be enough. I resort to saying “Heresy” because it’s a FACT!
What you believe, and are blindly pushing is NOT Scriptural!
The verses you gave are just saying that some fall short and become defiled but if you look at the whole chapter they are in it is not speaking of one who is saved falling away but you didn't bother to read the whole chapter did you?
No you just cherry pick verses to suite your need again read the whole chapter the message is not about believers falling away but look what I found by reading the whole chapter
Hebrews 6:4-6
For it is impossible, in the case of those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, and have shared in the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the age to come, and then have fallen away, to restore them again to repentance, since they are crucifying once again the Son of God to their own harm and holding him up to contempt.
Not only have you not been able to refute the original verse I gave you but this verse is also very clear
The verses you gave you have to try to make it say something it isn't but the verses I gave are plain and simple clear as day so how do you explain away this verse?
Folks who suffer from a severe case of anti-OSAS derangement syndrome cannot take a break from it, just like democrats who suffer from a severe case of Trump derangement syndrome cannot take a break from it either. It's what these folks live and breathe. They are obsessed!
Are you kidding me?? The very verse that you used backs up what I just stated; you can fall and lose your soul!!
In your words, it’s refuted. Case closed!
Plain and simple, you’re not understanding what you’re reading……
Ask Him to help you understand.
Ah I see now sorry about that my eyes are damaged so when I read a lot words tend to blend together and I thought it said it is impossible for one who has tasted the goodness of God to fall away but I see now that isn't what it says that is my bad
Well hold on now he may have a point, the verse I posted and got tricked by my eyes does seem to say that it is possible for one to fall away
in fact it seems to be pretty clear about it look at this verse
Hebrews 6:4-6
For it is impossible, in the case of those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, and have shared in the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the age to come, and then have fallen away, to restore them again to repentance, since they are crucifying once again the Son of God to their own harm and holding him up to contempt
I mean what else could it be saying?
These verse means it is impossible to be born again twice. Once and done.
ok I think I can see that but it also could be interpreted as saying it is possible to fall away so I casn see why the confusion is there.
The writer of the Book of Hebrews has a very different style of writing so sometimes a challenge especially since there is so much connecting to the OT system, but rest assured not possible for spiritual salvation to be undone.