The mark of the beast?

[Follower777]

Christ’s role in fulfilling the law does not abolish the law but rather brings it to its rightful fulfillment in the life of the believer.

Romans 10:4 – "For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth."

Romans 10:4 is interpreted as Christ being the "end" of the law, which is the fulfillment of the law's purpose, not the abolition of the law itself. This means that Christ's perfect life and sacrificial death meet the demands of the law that humanity, due to sin, could never perfectly keep. Through Christ, righteousness is made accessible to those who believe.

• Christ's Fulfillment of the Law: Christ's life was the perfect fulfillment of the moral law, including the Ten Commandments. Jesus did not come to destroy the law but to fulfill it (Matthew 5:17). His perfect obedience to the law is credited to the believer through faith, and this provides the righteousness that the law demands. The "end" of the law in this verse refers to its purpose being realized in Christ, where the law’s requirement for perfect obedience is met in His life.
  
  
• The Law's Function in the Life of the Believer: Christians are justified by faith in Christ and not by the law (Romans 3:28), the law still serves as a guide to holiness and godliness. The righteousness available through Christ, by faith, is not a means to neglect the law but to fulfill its righteous demands through the power of the Holy Spirit. Righteousness by faith does not mean freedom from the law but the empowerment to live according to the law.

1 Timothy 1:5-9 – "Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart and of a good conscience and of faith unfeigned: From which some having swerved have turned aside unto vain jangling; desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm. But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully; Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners..."

In 1 Timothy 1:5-9, Paul underscores that the purpose of the law is to reveal sin and to guide those who are not living in accordance with God's will. The law is still valid for those who are outside of Christ and who are living in sin. The law's function, according to Paul, is to show the need for a Savior and to guide believers to live holy lives. The law is good when understood properly because it helps believers identify sin and strive to live in accordance with God's will, aided by the Holy Spirit.

• The Role of the Law for Believers: For believers, the law is no longer a condemning force but a guide to holiness. When one accepts Christ by faith, they are justified (made right with God), but this does not free them from the moral law. Rather, they are empowered by the Holy Spirit to live in harmony with it. This emphasizes that the law's purpose is not to bring salvation but to reveal God’s will and expose sin.
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• Christ and the Law's End: Christ, as the "end" of the law, does not abolish it but brings its purpose to fulfillment. While the law cannot save (since it only exposes sin), Christ’s righteousness satisfies its demands for those who believe. Through His sacrifice, believers are empowered to keep the law, but they are not saved by obedience to the law alone. Rather, faith in Christ brings righteousness, and by that faith, believers are enabled to live in obedience to God's law.

Key Points:

1. Christ Fulfills the Law's Righteous Demands: Christ is the fulfillment of the law, providing what the law demanded but could not give—righteousness. Christ did not abolish the law but fulfilled it. The righteousness of the law is now available through faith in Him, and this faith empowers believers to live in harmony with the law.
   
   
2. The Law's Role Continues: Although believers are justified by faith, the law is not done away with. Instead, the law continues to serve as a guide for living a godly life. It shows us God’s will and reveals sin, but with Christ’s righteousness, believers can fulfill the law's moral requirements.
   
   
3. Righteousness Comes Through Faith, Not the Law: This makes clear that the law cannot justify anyone. It points out sin, but it cannot save. Righteousness comes through faith in Christ, who has met the law’s demands on behalf of believers. But this does not mean the law is irrelevant; rather, it is fulfilled in Christ and becomes a guide for Christian living.
   
   
4. The Law and Grace Are Not Opposites: The law and grace are not in opposition. Grace empowers believers to live according to the law, not as a means of salvation but as a way of honoring God through obedience.

Conclusion:

Romans 10:4 and 1 Timothy 1:5-9 teach that Christ is the end (or fulfillment) of the law in the sense that He meets the law's demands for righteousness through His life, death, and resurrection. This does not mean that the law is abolished or that it no longer has relevance. Instead, it means that Christ has provided the righteousness the law requires for those who believe. The moral law, including the Ten Commandments, remains a guide for how believers should live, empowered by the grace of Christ, who fulfills its righteous demands in them.

Jesus, in Mark 12:31 quotes Deut. 6:5, linking Jesus' Law of Love, with the loving Father's Moral Law.

 

[Inquisitor]

How about:

[1Co 7:19 KJV] 19 Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.

[Rev 14:12 KJV] 12 Here is the patience of the saints: here [are] they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

[Rev 12:17 KJV] 17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

[1Jo 2:3-4 KJV] 3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. 4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

[1Jo 3:22, 24 KJV] 22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight. ... 24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.

[1Jo 5:2-3 KJV] 2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments. 3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

[Rev 22:14 KJV] 14 Blessed [are] they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

Here is a starter for you to reconcile.

You said, "[1Co 7:19 KJV] 19 Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing".

But Paul said in Romans 3.

Then what advantage has the Jew? Or what is the benefit of circumcision? Great in every respect.

How can circumcision be nothing and at the same time, great in every respect?

 

[Inquisitor]

How about:

[1Co 7:19 KJV] 19 Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.

[Rev 14:12 KJV] 12 Here is the patience of the saints: here [are] they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

[Rev 12:17 KJV] 17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

[1Jo 2:3-4 KJV] 3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. 4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

[1Jo 3:22, 24 KJV] 22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight. ... 24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.

[1Jo 5:2-3 KJV] 2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments. 3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

[Rev 22:14 KJV] 14 Blessed [are] they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

You quoted from 1 John three time in your post but you neglected the commandments, that John listed.

1 John 3:23-24
This is His commandment, that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another,
just as He commanded us. The one who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. We know
by this that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us.

Why would you omit the two commandments in 1 John 3:23-24?

John after listing the two commandments then states, "The one who keeps His commandments abides in Him".

Is John directly referring to the two commandments he listed or to letters written on stone?

 

[Inquisitor]

No Sir ! I do not see you as believer of ALL of Scripture ... , but just what fit's your theology.

Christ says, " IF you love me, you will keep my Commandments" ... but your theology, is ALL about NOT keeping God's Command's, not believing & loving Christ, not promoting the Character of God, as Jesus did ..
I give you scriptural Truth, proving my points, but you don't "believe"

..."you shall know them by their fruits" Matt 7:16, Luke 6:43,44 and " ...believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God ..." 1 John 4:1 .. "Testing" and by your own admissions, I understand you as a "false prophet" as Scripture describes, and as in prophecy, "having a form of godliness, but lacking the power, thereof." 2 Tim 3:5 "from such turn away."
... and I agree with my Lord !

Romans 2:12–15

“For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law… For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law… they shew the work of the law written in their hearts.”​

Paul teaches that Gentiles, even without the written law, show by their conscience that the moral law is universal.​

This shows the law is written in every heart and conscience—they are not exempt from it.​

Romans 3:19

“Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.” ​

“all the world” is guilty before God through the law—this includes Gentiles, showing universal application of the Ten Commandments​

Acts 17:30-31

“And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent: because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world…” ​

God now calls “all men everywhere” to repentance, which implies they are accountable to His law, including Gentiles.​

Hard hitting post this one.

You certainly don't beat around the bush. You say I am not Sola Scripture. You say I follow a theology.
You say I do not obey the commandments. Then you accuse me of being a false prophet. Also I lack
the power of God.

Try and conduct yourself in a civil manner on this forum.

You quoted the following in your post.

Romans 2:12–15
“For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in
the law shall be judged by the law… For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the
things contained in the law… they shew the work of the law written in their hearts.”

Then you interpretated the verses above shown below.

Paul teaches that Gentiles, even without the written law, show by their conscience that the moral law is universal.

Paul did not say the 'moral law ' that is your theology speaking.

Nor did Paul say 'the moral law is universal' that is your theology once again.

Why did you translate the word 'law ' into 'moral law '?

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Christ and the Law's End: Christ, as the "end" of the law, does not abolish it but brings its purpose to fulfillment. While the law cannot save (since it only exposes sin), Christ’s righteousness satisfies its demands for those who believe. Through His sacrifice, believers are empowered to keep the law, but they are not saved by obedience to the law alone. Rather, faith in Christ brings righteousness, and by that faith, believers are enabled to live in obedience to God's law.

This paragraph shows how twisted and deceitful the SDA doctrine is. Essentially it says the law doesn't save, but faith enables a person to keep the law, which saves them. In other words, keeping the law can't save a person, but faith gives the power to keep the law, which saves them. Many words have to be carefully selected and placed in the right arrangement in order to create this illusion. It's a well-crafted, well-practiced subversion of the truth by the father of lies.

 

[Follower777]

Hard hitting post this one.

You certainly don't beat around the bush. You say I am not Sola Scripture. You say I follow a theology.
You say I do not obey the commandments. Then you accuse me of being a false prophet. Also I lack
the power of God.

Try and conduct yourself in a civil manner on this forum.

You quoted the following in your post.

Romans 2:12–15
“For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in
the law shall be judged by the law… For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the
things contained in the law… they shew the work of the law written in their hearts.”

Then you interpretated the verses above shown below.

Paul teaches that Gentiles, even without the written law, show by their conscience that the moral law is universal.

Paul did not say the 'moral law ' that is your theology speaking.

Nor did Paul say 'the moral law is universal' that is your theology once again.

Why did you translate the word 'law ' into 'moral law '?

I apologize for being so blunt, but I've come to be ALL about believing the Truth over these years.

I find it condescending, permissive, & neglectful to act "civilized" in this evil world. Soon, VERY SOON, the Lords coming back and my opportunities will be required of me, in this Judgement.

Then there is the "persecution" that we Sabbath Keepers will suffer at the hands of the unholy trio, rev 13, as were the classical Reformers, by the Beast power, so I'm wanting, as is my God given duty to get the Three Angels Message out to as many as will listen. Rev. 14.

I'm leaving on a weeks vacation, here in a couple hours, but I would like to continue our conversation, on return.
May our Lord bless ALL Y'all

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[PTL]

I'm old enough to remember it was the barcode.

This is a funny comment! Some of what is said in other postings in this thread sound like conspiracy theories.

The mark of the beast is simply this: the mark of the beast symbolically identifies those who let the political system rule their lives. Those with the mark of the beast place themselves in opposition to God.

 

[TMS]

The mark of the beast is different for most denominations.
We all have the same bible but its interpreted differently.

Using the Bible not presumption and tradition it is important to identify the beast.

The mark can be worked out if you can identify the beast right.

 

[HealthAndHappiness]

This guy seems to suggest its money.

I disagree with the man in this video because he is making speculation his source of dogma.
The mark in the head, he says, is debt to others. Nobody is arguing that fiat currency is not debt based. It was ever since history records what criminal activities the bankers/ money changers were involved in.
The current currency is nothing new. It is a means of exchange for goods and services as used for thousands of years.

The guy speaks truth about money, then superimposes his personal beliefs about the passages in Revelation chapters 13 and 14 as his argument.
This technique for convincing his audience is not adequate or reasonable.

Below is in his primary description for his YouTube channel:

"May this channel impart wisdom and understanding to you in the name of Yeshua HaMashiach, that you may be found perfect and obedient to the Torah of Moses...*

He refuses to use the Name Jesus Christ. Instead he uses a Hebrewism. I seriously doubt he speaks ancient Hebrew, but I can see he speaks English fluently. There's a problem he has with saying the Name of my Savior, so we should have a problem considering anything else he has to say on Bible doctrine.

 

[TMS]

It’s one of the most misinterpreted prophecies in all of the Bible yet it is vitally important to understand it.

REV 13 has lots of information about the beast and the a second beast that makes an image of the beast.

The beast has identifying points...

Let the identifying marks point out who the beast is.

A. It rises from the sea (verse 1).

B. It is the composite of the four beasts in Daniel chapter 7 (verse 2).

C. The dragon gives it power and authority (verse 2).

D. It receives a deadly wound (verse 3).

E. Its deadly wound is healed (verse 3).

F. It is a strong political power (verses 3, 7).

G. It is a strong religious power (verses 3, 8).

H. It is guilty of blasphemy (verses 1, 5, 6).

I. It wars with and overcomes the saints (verse 7).

J. It rules for 42 months (verse 5).

K. It has a mysterious number666 (verse 18).


One power in the world fits with all of these perfectly but people won't believe it.

 

[TMS]

Rev 13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

What man do you think of when you think of the papacy? Naturally, we think of the pope. What is his official name? Here is a Catholic quote: The title of the pope of Rome is Vicarius Filii Dei (English: Vicar of the Son of God).

VICARIUS FILII DEI

V= 5
I= 1
C= 100
A= 0
R= 0
I= 1
U= 5 same a V
S= 0

F= 0
I= 1
L= 50
I= 1
I= 1

D= 500
E= 0
I= 1

= 666

Calculating the number of a name through letter-number equivalence is known as gematria. It was used much more in earlier times (middle ages). but this does not mean it isn't able to be used today.

the use of gematria works for verse 18 because the number should be calculated. If applied over longer periods of time, it can't be limited to a single individual but has to refer to the name or title of an office. Study history and you will see that most protestant reformers seen the pope and catholic church as the antichrist and beast of Rev 13.

Living about fifty to a hundred years after Luther, Andreas Helwig (1572–1643), a brilliant scholar well-versed in Latin, Greek, and Hebrew, reintroduced gematria with a brand-new interpretation. He pointed out that Vicarius Filii Dei (Vicar of the Son of God), which was one of the pope’s titles, had a numerical value of 666.

Helwig also “cites certain Hebrew names, such as Romith” [sic], which = 666, as various writers applied them to the pope. He also cites five Greek names, some reaching back to the third century, such as Lateinos, each similarly = 666. He then cites certain Latin names, used by, or applied by others to, the pope. These are (a) Vicarius Filii Dei,
(b) Ordinarius Ovilis Christi Pastor,
(c) Dux Cleri, and
(d) Dic Lux—each likewise yielding 666.

Many names for the pope that all add up to 666.. but the church has hidden or stopped using some of these names because they add up to 666.

 

[TMS]

Ask the papacy, what is its mark of authority??

 

[Inquisitor]

The mark of the beast is different for most denominations.
We all have the same bible but its interpreted differently.

Using the Bible not presumption and tradition it is important to identify the beast.

The mark can be worked out if you can identify the beast right.

Can we identify the beast?

2 Thessalonians 2:3-8
Let no one in any way deceive you, for it will not come unless the apostasy comes first, and
the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction, who opposes and exalts himself
above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God,
displaying himself as being God. Do you not remember that while I was still with you, I was telling
you these things? And you know what restrains him now, so that in his time he will be revealed.
For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only he who now restrains will do so until he
is taken out of the way. Then that lawless one will be revealed whom the Lord will slay with the
breath of His mouth and bring to an end by the appearance of His coming.

It certainly looks as though no one knows who the beast is until the restrainer is taken out of the way.

Revelation 17:8
The beast that you saw was, and is not, and is about to come up out of the abyss and go to destruction.

What we do know about the beast is that some time in the past he was here. But the beast is not here
now. Yet at some time in the future he will arrive.

 

[Inquisitor]

Rev 13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

What man do you think of when you think of the papacy? Naturally, we think of the pope. What is his official name? Here is a Catholic quote: The title of the pope of Rome is Vicarius Filii Dei (English: Vicar of the Son of God).

VICARIUS FILII DEI

V= 5
I= 1
C= 100
A= 0
R= 0
I= 1
U= 5 same a V
S= 0

F= 0
I= 1
L= 50
I= 1
I= 1

D= 500
E= 0
I= 1

= 666

Calculating the number of a name through letter-number equivalence is known as gematria. It was used much more in earlier times (middle ages). but this does not mean it isn't able to be used today.

the use of gematria works for verse 18 because the number should be calculated. If applied over longer periods of time, it can't be limited to a single individual but has to refer to the name or title of an office. Study history and you will see that most protestant reformers seen the pope and catholic church as the antichrist and beast of Rev 13.

Living about fifty to a hundred years after Luther, Andreas Helwig (1572–1643), a brilliant scholar well-versed in Latin, Greek, and Hebrew, reintroduced gematria with a brand-new interpretation. He pointed out that Vicarius Filii Dei (Vicar of the Son of God), which was one of the pope’s titles, had a numerical value of 666.

Helwig also “cites certain Hebrew names, such as Romith” [sic], which = 666, as various writers applied them to the pope. He also cites five Greek names, some reaching back to the third century, such as Lateinos, each similarly = 666. He then cites certain Latin names, used by, or applied by others to, the pope. These are (a) Vicarius Filii Dei,
(b) Ordinarius Ovilis Christi Pastor,
(c) Dux Cleri, and
(d) Dic Lux—each likewise yielding 666.

Many names for the pope that all add up to 666.. but the church has hidden or stopped using some of these names because they add up to 666.

Your title; VICARIUS FILII DEI is Latin. VICARIUS FILII DEI is not a name.

Latin is not an alpha numeric language but Koine Greek is an alpha numeric language.

You cannot translate Latin letters into numbers (gematria) because the first 9 letters
of the Latin alphabet are not numbers. But the first nine letters in Koine Greek can
also be numbers.

The mark is a name or a number not just a number.

Jesus in Koine Greek gematria is 888. That represents the new creation, the fullness of
all things, far beyond the seventh day of creation.

Man was created on the sixth day and 666 is the number of a man.

Sometimes the scripture is elementary.

 

[Inquisitor]

It’s one of the most misinterpreted prophecies in all of the Bible yet it is vitally important to understand it.

REV 13 has lots of information about the beast and the a second beast that makes an image of the beast.

The beast has identifying points...

Let the identifying marks point out who the beast is.

A. It rises from the sea (verse 1).

B. It is the composite of the four beasts in Daniel chapter 7 (verse 2).

C. The dragon gives it power and authority (verse 2).

D. It receives a deadly wound (verse 3).

E. Its deadly wound is healed (verse 3).

F. It is a strong political power (verses 3, 7).

G. It is a strong religious power (verses 3, 8).

H. It is guilty of blasphemy (verses 1, 5, 6).

I. It wars with and overcomes the saints (verse 7).

J. It rules for 42 months (verse 5).

K. It has a mysterious number666 (verse 18).


One power in the world fits with all of these perfectly but people won't believe it.

Most scholars would say the beast is Rome.

Yes, many scholars identify the beast in the Book of Revelation as Rome, particularly in relation to the "city on seven hills" and its historical persecution of Christians. This interpretation is consistent with early Christian interpretations by the Church Fathers and is still held by a majority of modern commentators on Revelation, although more broadly applicable interpretations of the beast as any anti-God state also exist.

Reasons for identifying the beast as Rome:

• The City on Seven Hills:
  Revelation 17 mentions a woman (often interpreted as a city) seated on seven hills. Rome was famously known as the "city on seven hills" in contemporary culture.
  
  
• Persecution of Saints:
  The text describes the beast as being "drunk with the blood of the holy ones" and persecuting believers. This behavior is strongly associated with the Roman Empire's historical persecution of Christians.
  
  
• Historical Context:
  The beast's authority for 42 months, its war against the saints, and its connection to the crucifixion of the Messiah align with the first-century Roman Empire under figures like Nero.
  
  
• Early Interpretations:
  The Church Fathers, such as Jerome, interpreted the beast as the Roman Empire in their commentaries on the Book of Daniel and Revelation.

The harlot rides that beast and the harlot is more likely to be the church in Rome.

The first century readers; the seven churches, would have identified the beast as Rome.

More than likely Nero would have been the king.

 

[rrcn]

You quoted from 1 John three time in your post but you neglected the commandments, that John listed.

1 John 3:23-24
This is His commandment, that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another,
just as He commanded us. The one who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. We know
by this that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us.

Why would you omit the two commandments in 1 John 3:23-24?

John after listing the two commandments then states, "The one who keeps His commandments abides in Him".

Is John directly referring to the two commandments he listed or to letters written on stone?

Here is the whole post:
[Rev 14:12 KJV] 12 Here is the patience of the saints: here [are] they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

[Rev 12:17 KJV] 17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

[1Jo 2:3-4 KJV] 3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. 4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

[1Jo 3:22, 24 KJV] 22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight. ... 24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.

[1Jo 5:2-3 KJV] 2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments. 3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

[Rev 22:14 KJV] 14 Blessed [are] they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
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Question from Inquisitor: Why would you omit the two commandments in 1 John 3:23-24?

simple, the thread title is "The Mark of the Beast?"
Keeping in mind I quoted from Rev. 14 and 12 which is very relevant for today, I then supported it with these verses from John (same author) and closed with Revelation 22 when there is no more curse.

Question from Inquisitor: Is John directly referring to the two commandments he listed or to letters written on stone?

The 10 Commandments, the perfect law of liberty (James 1:25), however in addition to stone they are written upon a believers heart:

Psa 40:8 NKJV - 8 I delight to do Your will, O my God, And Your law [is] within my heart."
Jer 31:33 NKJV - 33 "But this [is] the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the LORD: I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.
Eze 36:26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do [them].
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Heb 8:10 KJV - 10 For this [is] the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

Heb 10:16 KJV - 16 This [is] the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;


What do you think?

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

The 10 Commandments, the perfect law of liberty (James 1:25), however in addition to stone they are written upon a believers heart:

The 10 commandments are not the the perfect law of freedom. The spirit of that law, the 10, is written in our hearts, not the letters of it. Peter said the law was an unbearable yoke that neither they nor their fathers were able to bear. Jesus said the yoke of his law is easy.

The perfect law of freedom is the law of the spirit of life, which is a commanded by God

For the law of the spirit of the life in Christ Jesus freed me from the law of the sin and of death. Romans 8:2​

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And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak. John 12:50​

 

[Hakawaka]

Your title; VICARIUS FILII DEI is Latin. VICARIUS FILII DEI is not a name.

Latin is not an alpha numeric language but Koine Greek is an alpha numeric language.

You cannot translate Latin letters into numbers (gematria) because the first 9 letters
of the Latin alphabet are not numbers. But the first nine letters in Koine Greek can
also be numbers.

The mark is a name or a number not just a number.

Jesus in Koine Greek gematria is 888. That represents the new creation, the fullness of
all things, far beyond the seventh day of creation.

Man was created on the sixth day and 666 is the number of a man.

Sometimes the scripture is elementary.

I agree man was created on day six and it is man's number. But why does it say to calculate it and that it takes wisdom to do so?

 

[Inquisitor]

I agree man was created on day six and it is man's number. But why does it say to calculate it and that it takes wisdom to do so?

Is a Christian a wise person because they have the Holy Spirit?

Is an unbeliever a wise person?

We know that 6 represents the sixth day but an unbeliever does not.

We know from Greek gematria that Jesus is 888.

Unbelievers do not know gematria not recognize that Jesus is 888.

It takes a very wise person to know and calculate that the number of the beast is short
of perfection. Not perfection in the sense of the old creation, i.e., 777.

The fulfillment of all things is the next day and that is the eighth day after creation.

Jesus was not from the created order the seven day world, Jesus was from above, timeless, Spirit, eternal.

Everything is new in Christ and that is the eternal rest not the 7th day of rest.

Very few Christians are wise unfortunately.

 

[Inquisitor]

Here is the whole post:
[Rev 14:12 KJV] 12 Here is the patience of the saints: here [are] they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

[Rev 12:17 KJV] 17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

[1Jo 2:3-4 KJV] 3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. 4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

[1Jo 3:22, 24 KJV] 22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight. ... 24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.

[1Jo 5:2-3 KJV] 2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments. 3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

[Rev 22:14 KJV] 14 Blessed [are] they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
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Question from Inquisitor: Why would you omit the two commandments in 1 John 3:23-24?

simple, the thread title is "The Mark of the Beast?"
Keeping in mind I quoted from Rev. 14 and 12 which is very relevant for today, I then supported it with these verses from John (same author) and closed with Revelation 22 when there is no more curse.

Question from Inquisitor: Is John directly referring to the two commandments he listed or to letters written on stone?

The 10 Commandments, the perfect law of liberty (James 1:25), however in addition to stone they are written upon a believers heart:

Psa 40:8 NKJV - 8 I delight to do Your will, O my God, And Your law [is] within my heart."
Jer 31:33 NKJV - 33 "But this [is] the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the LORD: I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.
Eze 36:26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do [them].
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Heb 8:10 KJV - 10 For this [is] the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

Heb 10:16 KJV - 16 This [is] the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;


What do you think?

Please don't ask me what I think.

Sola Scripture only and especially no interpretation.

You must have seen many interpretations during your time on CF.

You know what I am talking about.

You posted this statement.

The 10 Commandments, the perfect law of liberty (James 1:25), however in addition to stone
they are written upon a believers heart

Here is what the perfect law of liberty (James 1:25) actually says.

James 1:25
But one who looks intently at the perfect law, the law of liberty, and abides by it, not having become
a forgetful hearer but an effectual doer, this man will be blessed in what he does.

No mention of the ten commandments in James 1:25.

You are interpretating the text.