Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

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BillyBob said:
Let's just make Rufus the official fact-checker!
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Ask me why I'm not suprised.....:unsure:

1Ki 12:31
And he made an house of high places, and made priests of the lowest of the people, which were not of the sons of Levi.

1Ki 13:33
After this thing Jeroboam returned not from his evil way, but made again of the lowest of the people priests of the high places: whosoever would, he consecrated him, and he became one of the priests of the high places.

1Ki 13:34
And this thing became sin unto the house of Jeroboam, even to cut it off, and to destroy it from off the face of the earth.
 
NightTwister said:
Loving your neighbor as yourself.
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If I were like you are?

I would want someone to level with me.

You're still stuck in some adolescent attitude that God must crush out of you. That is, if He wants to purify you.
It's up to Him. Not me. To change you.

For the Lord disciplines whom He loves, and He scourges every son whom He receives. Hebrews 12:6​

At the time of writing "scourges" meant to discipline and skin one alive.
If God sees fit?
And, sees you as ready?
He will teach you that you can not keep on getting away with anything you learned to use to do land on top.

Save it for the football field.
 
cv5 said:
Ask me why I'm not suprised.....:unsure:

1Ki 12:31
And he made an house of high places, and made priests of the lowest of the people, which were not of the sons of Levi.

1Ki 13:33
After this thing Jeroboam returned not from his evil way, but made again of the lowest of the people priests of the high places: whosoever would, he consecrated him, and he became one of the priests of the high places.

1Ki 13:34
And this thing became sin unto the house of Jeroboam, even to cut it off, and to destroy it from off the face of the earth.
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As usual, your comments are about as ridiculous as me claiming to hold an Olympic Medal in the high-jump!
 
Genez said:
If I were like you are?

I would want someone to level with me.

You're still stuck in some adolescent attitude that God must crush out of you. That is, if He wants to purify you.
It's up to Him. Not me. To change you.

For the Lord disciplines whom He loves, and He scourges every son whom He receives. Hebrews 12:6​

At the time of writing "scourges" meant to discipline and skin one alive.
If God sees fit?
And, sees you as ready?
He will teach you that you can not keep on getting away with anything you learned to use to do land on top.

Save it for the football field.
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You're a very spiritually sick man. I hope you find help soon.
 
Rufus said:
My "job" is to reveal the sleazy, slimy, serpentine underbelly of FWT.

Now...go run off and join your bud CV5, as I believe right about now he's bowing down low with his face in the dust to the wooden image he carved out of his superhero Adam, as Idolatry is always a byproduct of Pride.
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studier said:
And we're back to meltdown.
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Might be as He planned it to be.

These have come so that the proven genuineness of your faith—of greater worth than gold, ​
which perishes even though refined by fire—may result in praise, glory and honor when Jesus ​
Christ is revealed.​
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1 Peter 1:7​
 
Cameron143 said:
So what you are saying is that people are more powerful than the power of the gospel.
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rolleyes ... nope ... what you say I'm saying does not equal what I'm saying ... not sure that'll stop you from saying what you believe I'm saying and/or your good best buddy agreeing ... then pasting up a wall of lies about what has been said which will then be agreed to by you ... smh




Cameron143 said:
And I'm saying the new heart and spirit and the working of the Spirit are what allows people the freedom to choose.
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yes ... I know that is what you believe ... I believe the sequence is just as shown in Rom 1:16-19 ... the gospel of Christ is the power of God unto salvation to those who believe ... those who suppress the truth in unrighteousness receive the consequence of having suppressed.

please note that Rom 1:16 does not state that "the new heart and spirit and the working of the Spirit" is what allows those who believe to believe. The gospel is spoken and it is either believed or not believed.

Those who believe receive salvation promised because the gospel of Christ is the power of God unto salvation ...

those who do not believe receive the consequence of having suppressed the truth in unrighteousness ...

do you believe the unbelief of some diminishes the power of God in the gospel of Christ?
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sawdust said:
I don't know what you mean?
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I was replying to Magenta's nonsense ... I showed her that Jordon asked

"your talking about the free will of the flesh"​

you replied to Jordon:

"There is no such thing as "free will of the flesh"."​

Magenta in her carnal reply to you:

sawdust said:
There is no such thing as "free will (snip)
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"That is all that needed to be said, really..."
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I merely pointed out to Magenta that she does the same thing with Scripture.
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HeIsHere said:
From the testimonies of those who have escaped/abandoned this system, it seems a lot of unlearning was also apart of the process.
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Honestly, one cannot go beyond the starting line with the reformed/calvies/tulip folks. Their doctrine is skewed from the get go. Skewed from the foundation.

If the very foundation is incorrect, every doctrine after that is incorrect.

The Lord Jesus Christ died for ALL. We get that wrong.......everything else will be wrong.




Just imagine, this is evil according to reformed/calvie/tulip theory.......

Recognize that you are a sinner. Believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved. That goes for you and everyone else. ALL.
 
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Rufus said:
No, you FT


So how exactly how do the unilateral New Covenant promises fit into this heart change?
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And we all, who with unveiled faces contemplate the Lord’s glory,
are being transformed into his image with ever-increasing glory,
which comes from the Lord, who is the Spirit."

2 Corinthians 3:18​
 
Rufus said:
Neither is the condition of faith stipulated in the passage! It is a UNILATERAL, unqualified promise, for your info!
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Ezekiel 36:

22 Therefore say unto the house of Israel, Thus saith the Lord GOD; I do not this for your sakes, O house of Israel, but for mine holy name's sake, which ye have profaned among the heathen, whither ye went.

23 And I will sanctify my great name, which was profaned among the heathen, which ye have profaned in the midst of them; and the heathen shall know that I am the LORD, saith the Lord GOD, when I shall be sanctified in you before their eyes.

24 For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land.

25 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.

26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.


This prophecy is speaking of the nation of Israel (vs 22) ... not Jew/gentile believers in our day and time.

The Ez 36 prophecy was not fulfilled the first time the Lord Jesus Christ walked the earth ... but there is a day coming when He shall return as King of kings and Lord of lords (Rev 19:11-16). The Lord Jesus Christ shall expel the abomination of desolation from the holy place, seal him in the bottomless pit, and He shall establish His rule (Is 59:20-60:5). :cool:
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Rufus said:
Since Adam was very likely the Serpent's seed
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you mean this Adam ???

Luke 3:38 Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.

yeah ... you've got who you refer to as the spawn of satan in the genealogy of the Lord Jesus Christ ... what a lie!!! ... although I'm sure satan loves your lie!!!
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