lol my screws are loose everyday
But I know how to tighten them up
The LORD is my Screwdriver, i shall not want
Can We Really Exercise Free Will?
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The LORD is my Screwdriver, i shall not want
I like your thread about Jesus only being tested, and not tempted. Made me think that,
I did wonder along those same line before I ever asked.
I'm never one to lean completely in what can be written in the way in which you can see a meaning to straight away.
Cuz you can get it completely wrong, even tho it looks as if the truth is staring you in the face,
Could it be God created initially so that he would be with us but we would not be with him completely untill he knew we where ready to live by his will.
So the will I'm talking about is when it comes to having no free will, I'm saying the free will to be with him.
So what is that God wants from us, does he want us to be with him at all time, is that is will for us.
or...
that He be glorified in His everlasting lovingkindnesses?
i firmly believe that no scripture is understood until:
- we comprehend the Christology of it ((how it testifies of Him; John 5:39))
- we look it it in the light that most glorifies Him, to the exclusion of all else
I will not fail to retain eternal life in Heaven because Jesus makes sure I won't. That's what the verses mean, not that you can understand them.
seeing Christ in every scripture or asking the question what would Christ do in every scripture. I believe there's good method in that teaching,
Where I was going along the lines of, is well if God had created man to have free will, to be fully with him they could reject him not knowing what they where losing.
So the belief is that God created us for him to be with us but not with him completely knowing that once you accept him your never going to reject him.
Maybe something else should be included in this as well.
I forget to mention if the screw driver doesn't work I've got a hammer for a back upThe LORD is my Screwdriver, i shall not want
How God created man's volition (will) and for what purpose, has not changed. What has changed is the flesh that dominates it and the lack of spiritual life which keeps it in the dark.
yes
.... but why?
I don't think we will ever understand why some prefer the darkness instead of the light but we can at least know it is the way of things and this fallen world is more than proof that the dark prevails not nor does it ever serve the good.
your talking about the free will of the flesh, this is where this discussion is going of track
Well if i didn't tame my flesh I would be scoffing all sorts. Coz the flesh of it's own will is called nature, and seeing as it's nature, it will perish but nature just wants to survive at what ever cost, but what I'm talking about is the free will of the soul, I want my soul to leave it's body and go to see my mum but it can't it's held captive by my body,
Are you that ignorant of Scripture to say that?
The following passage is not about some believers failing?
If you see any brother or sister commit a sin that does not lead to death, you should pray and God
will give them life. I refer to those whose sin does not lead to death. There is a sin that leads to death.
I am not saying that you should pray about that." 1 John 5:16
You think that means success?
I would add: how does it speak to/relate to/illustrate/exemplify Gods plan of salvation and His intent to save?
Surely for FWers the answer is a resounding "Yes!"
Colossians 2 v 8, Romans 16 v 18, Romans 10 v 2, Proverbs 19 v 2a ~ See to it that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception, which are based on human tradition and the spiritual forces of the world rather than on Christ. For such people are not serving our Lord Christ, but their own appetites. By smooth talk and flattery they deceive the hearts of the naive. For I testify about them that they are zealous for God, but not on the basis of knowledge. Zeal is no good without knowledge. They teach as doctrine the precepts of men.
Some prefer Harvey Wallbanger to get hammered .I forget to mention if the screw driver doesn't work I've got a hammer for a back up
Romans 9 verse 18; John 6 verse 44; John 6 verse 65; John 6 verse 37; John 6 verse63; Titus 3 verse5 ~ God has mercy on whom He wants to have mercy, and He hardens whom He wants to harden. No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless it is granted him by the Father. All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out. The Spirit gives life; the flesh profits nothing. He saved us because of His mercy, through the washing of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit.
There is no such thing as "free will of the flesh". Man has will. It's not broken up into various pieces. The body can't make decisions, it is autonomous. You don't decide to digest your food or for the synapses in your brain to fire. Even some bodily functions that can be controlled by sheer effort of will, like breathing, will be overridden even when survival is impossible like underwater. The very fact the lungs of all drowning victims are filled with water shows the body cannot think for itself but is reliant on autonomous functions.
You can't tame your flesh, if we could, we would all think ourselves well from sickness and disease. You control your thinking and where our thinking is wrong it needs to be corrected. This is why we are told to be transformed in our mind. Rom.12:2 Will and thinking are of the soul, not the body. The corruption we know as the sin nature is in the body, not the soul. The soul is in darkness and without truth due to being spiritually dead so the sin nature which, acts on the autonomy of the body and is self serving in nature only (against the Spirit who is the servant of all Mk.9:35 ), deceives the darkened mind. It does not alter the nature of the soul unless that soul willfully embraces the darkness and lies and hence becomes evil. We all are culpable of evil because we are weakened by the flesh and the corruption at work in it but that does mean all willfully embrace evil. This is why when the light and truth of God comes to us and the darkness and lies are dispelled and the sin nature in the flesh is under the control of grace, we can choose what is right because that is the true desire of our souls.
This is how we can be led to Christ (the drawing of the father). If the corruption were in the soul by nature, there would be no hope except to give a literal new soul to a person but then you would no longer be you for who we are as individuals is to be found in our soul.
The purpose of having a will is to live within reality which, is another way to say to live within God's will. We were not created to have spirit, soul and body be separated from each other. You only need look at all the strife and sorrow in this fallen world to know such separation is folly. God originally created man spirit, soul and body as one entity for a purpose, to desire to live otherwise, even for a moment of time, is not wise.