Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

[Magenta]

what I know is Jesus was born without a sin nature, but he was still tempted by sin
but I get confused by that, does that mean sin tried to tempt him. But sin from who ?

Has there been a study on that here.

Our dear brother @posthuman was recently discussing this topic here (<= link).

 

[cv5]

what I know is Jesus was born without a sin nature, but he was still tempted by sin but I get confused by that, does that mean sin tried to tempt him. But sin from who ?


Has there been a study on that here.

Not tempted. TESTED. As in assaying precious metals for purity.

Being tempted simply does not apply to Jesus.

 

[Rufus]

Even though I still smile at your recent comment about context being non sequitur, I'll treat it for the moment as another emotional outburst and put it into the background for now.

A few comments to get started if you'll hang in and actually work on this.

• First, I've commented on your lengthy lists before after looking into a few of them, and I think this one is a reposting of one I've commented on before. There are different words in Hebrew and Greek translated as "fool" and until you sort them out and explain the one you want to focus on, this is just a lot of mixed listing of Scripture that doesn't really make any specific point or tie to any specific verse we're working on. I appreciate the work, but it's just a start that you need to refine.
• None of those verses are directly and specifically evidenced as tying directly to 1Cor2 that the discussion is about. Maybe some will tie in, but you're a long way from showing us this.
• You're as usual alleging I'm conveniently omitting something, yet I provided the list of contextual verses 1Cor2:6-16 within which 1Cor2:8 obviously resides. Do I call you a liar, just sloppy, or simply point out you missed something?

You're not making any specific point with any meaning re: 1Cor2 including 2:8 by providing a list of OC Scriptures none of which you've tied to 1Cor2.

If you'd like to discuss 1Cor2:8, what's your point? Just focus and be clear. Keep it simple and I'll respond.

There are two kinds of people in this world: The Wise and the Fools. The latter have no regard whatsoever for either your "foundational gospel" or your "advanced" spiritual truth; for they hate knowledge and wisdom. Your understanding of 1Cor 2:8 flies in the face of the macro context of the bible.

And you want a "specific point" re 1Cor 2? That's easy. All you have to do is answer this question: When the Jews and Gentiles brutally murdered Christ, how exactly would you spiritually characterize His murderers who had NO true spiritual understanding: As wise or foolish people?

 

[Jordon]

Not tempted. TESTED. As in assaying precious metals for purity.

Being tempted simply does not apply to Jesus.

Yeo I've just seen that now thanks

Looks like there's a long debate over being tested and tempted.
So it's the view he was tested as God can not be tempted by sin.

Sorry just had to ask.

Whilst where here do you believe mankind's sin nature was taken away for some reason, ?

Just wonder you seem to be defending your belief, well I assume that what's your defending, and I ain't going to knock what ever reason you have.

Just would like to examine why

 

[Rufus]

Pre - supposition that mankind is created by God and born with a fallen nature unable to believe in/exercise faith in Christ Jesus and His Good News.

“For we conclude that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the law” (Romans 3:28).

NOT

“For we conclude that a person is justified by bestowed faith apart from the works of the law” (Romans 3:28). X



Reformed doctrine restricts the freedom of God from sovereignly deciding that salvation be conditioned upon personal faith in the Good News offered by Him.

It is a contradiction if being a sinner entails “total inability” to respond to God when that same God both beckons sinners to humble themselves, believe the gospel, and be saved.

“Total depravity,” or our pervasively sinful condition, obviously does not preclude sinners from recognizing their sin and coming to God to have their sins forgiven.

Faith is not a work, it is not meritorious, it is the condition set by God.

The End.

But is it a "condition set by God" in His unilateral New Covenant promises given to his chosen people? If you think it is, quote chapter and verse from those covenant promises.

 

[Rufus]

He simply believes the grace of God is necessary for true free volitional choices, which is far closer to truth than those who believe the fallen natural man has unfettered free will. Where I believe he errs is that short of a new heart the natural man is still operating according a corrupted heart and without the Spirit he can only operate in the flesh. An individual can only operate in the flesh or in the Spirit. There is no third choice.

Exactly! But again, he belief is unbiblical because he categorically rejects the doctrine of Irresistible Grace AND because he thinks God universally gives his grace to all mankind w/o exception, which is another lie. God gives his grace only to the humble.

 

[Rufus]

Already explained Enoch searched and found God.

That begs the question! How and why did Enoch search for God: By God's grace or without it?

 

[Magenta]

That begs the question! How and why did Enoch search for God: By God's grace or without it?

Scripture says none seek Him, so God must have moved first even with Enoch.

God looks down from heaven upon the sons of men to see if any understand, if any seek God. All have
turned away, they have together become corrupt; there is no one who does good, not even one.

“Why do you call Me good?” Jesus replied. “No one is good except God alone. Mark ch. 10 verse 18 and Luke ch. 18 verse 19 “There is only One who is good.” Matthew ch. 19 verse 17b. There is no one who does good. fr Psalm ch. 14. There is no one righteous, not even one. Romans ch. 3 verse 10. They are corrupt; their ways are vile. There is no one who does good. All have turned away, they have together become corrupt; there is no one who does good, not even one. fr Psalm ch. 53 verses 1-3. Surely there is no righteous man on earth who does good and never sins. Ecclesiastes ch. 7 verse 20. For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.

 

[BillyBob]

Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

Your posts were more interesting when you were talking about drinking beer and shooting pool. That seemed to be a topic in which you were more well-informed!

 

[Magenta]

Psalm 14 verses 1-3; Job 15 verse 16 ~ The fool says in his heart, “There is no God.” They are corrupt; their acts are vile. There is no one who does good. The LORD looks down from heaven upon the sons of men to see if any understand, if any seek God. All have turned away, they have together become corrupt; there is no one who does good, not even one. Man is vile and corrupt.

 

[Magenta]

Your posts were more interesting when you were talking about drinking beer and shooting pool.
That seemed to be a topic in which you were more well-informed!

Ephesians 4 verses 17-18; Luke 6 verse 43; Jeremiah 10 verse 14 In the futility of their thinking, unbelievers are darkened in their understanding and alienated from the life of God because of the ignorance that is in them due to the hardness of their hearts. A diseased tree cannot bear good fruit. Every man is senseless and devoid of knowledge.

 

[DeanM]

Your posts were more interesting when you were talking about drinking beer and shooting pool. That seemed to be a topic in which you were more well-informed!

No doubt. Total depravity is a calvinist talking point after all.

 

[Jordon]

Your posts were more interesting when you were talking about drinking beer and shooting pool. That seemed to be a topic in which you were more well-informed!

Just thought I would ask but I wondered if I've said something that's offended you ?

 

[Jordon]

No doubt. Total depravity is a calvinist talking point after all.

excuse me but don't call people Calvinists

 

[cv5]

Yeo I've just seen that now thanks

Looks like there's a long debate over being tested and tempted.
So it's the view he was tested as God can not be tempted by sin.

Sorry just had to ask.

Whilst where here do you believe mankind's sin nature was taken away for some reason, ?

Just wonder you seem to be defending your belief, well I assume that what's your defending, and I ain't going to knock what ever reason you have.

Just would like to examine why

Ultimately these are not "testings" as far as Jesus is concerned.

They are more like affirmation and confirmation (for our sake as usual) of what is ALREADY true.

 

[BillyBob]

Just thought I would ask but I wondered if I've said something that's offended you ?

That post was to DeanM

 

[Jordon]

That post was to DeanM

I know I was chatting to you whilst you where on

 

[rogerg]

God granting Repentance doesn't change how the Holy Ghost explains the process.

You just can't ignore the Holy Ghost for 50 verses and say now this means different.

Clearly your verses only means that it's not just the Jews who can be saved but now the Gentiles can to.

Wrong. What my post clearly explained, and as the verses I provided substantiate - that repentance, if true repentance, comes only from God, freely given to His elect - He does not give it to everyone, nor does it come by man's volition or choice and the Holy Spirit does not claim otherwise.

 

[sawdust]

So...you consider yourself to have been LIFELESS in the womb. You sound like a pro-abortion lover. They, too, consider the embryo to be lifeless meat.

No I don't and no, I am not pro-abortion. It is your evil mind that would jump to that conclusion and not ask for further clarification, but considering whatever I say you twist into something wildly unimaginable, I'm not inclined to give you the courtesy of further discussion.

G'day to you sir.

ps I see @Magenta jumped to the same conclusion, as did @Cameron143 earlier on. It is indeed a sad world when people immediately jump to thinking the worst of a person before they even understand.

 

[Jordon]

Ultimately these are not "testings" as far as Jesus is concerned.

They are more like affirmation and confirmation (for our sake as usual) of what is ALREADY true.

well you said something last week about how somebody was blaming sin nature for not being free to be false , and I think you implied they shouldnt be doing that, I think you've also implied that before.many time as others as well.

So is it that you don't believe we have a sin nature at birth or where just tested ?