Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

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cv5 said:
Right here little buddy....
This perpetual failure to comprehend the true Biblical narrative of Adam yet another vast gaping void in your keyhole scope narrow understanding that I tried to fill.
Too bad so sad.

Rom 5:14
Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those who had not sinned according to the likeness of the transgression of Adam, who is a type of Him who was to come.
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What does your drivel have to do with Gal 3:29 I quoted? You asked me who my [spiritual ]"daddy" is, and Gal 3:29 is my biblical answer. And since you don't like my answer, then you cannot possibly be in Christ since you disown Abraham and reject the covenant God made with him.

It appears you're so sold out to your superhero Adam that you must think he's everyone's spiritual daddy. But he's not mine. You can have him -- and be sure to make a idol of him to which you can bow down everyday.
 
lrs68 said:
Everyone pursues the unknown and the idea of God because it's how God created us. We may not believe or understand why we need God to pursue Him for the right thing like salvation but we pursue the idea something bigger than all of us and everything must exist.

Tribal Cultures, Asian Cultures, going back to the Egyptian Culture we see people always believed in some form of god. We even see people who believed in other gods eventually join the true God throughout the Tanakh like Rahab, Ruth, there's actually a list in every Scroll showing people seeking out Yahvew who were not Hebrew. So we know it's possible because we have the Old Testament to prove it.
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you make me laugh, we talked about discipline the other day and making the right choice, so the extremes of that in ancient days was a person could have his hand chopped of for stealing, and even then they would still probably believe they could carry on to steal with the other hand.

Because they would probably think that punishment was to hard, putting that punishment above obeying.

But pursuing God once you do believe is what I'm asking about here,

So then why would you pursue God now lol 😂
 
lrs68 said:
Everyone pursues the unknown and the idea of God because it's how God created us. We may not believe or understand why we need God to pursue Him for the right thing like salvation but we pursue the idea something bigger than all of us and everything must exist.

Tribal Cultures, Asian Cultures, going back to the Egyptian Culture we see people always believed in some form of god. We even see people who believed in other gods eventually join the true God throughout the Tanakh like Rahab, Ruth, there's actually a list in every Scroll showing people seeking out Yahvew who were not Hebrew. So we know it's possible because we have the Old Testament to prove it.
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Agree. An all inclusive salvation is available to anyone who desires to obtain it.
Even for Gibeonite Hivite Canaanites (supposedly judged to certain doom). It was they who RECEIVED the Lord and His people, and EARNESTLY sought (and obtained) the covenant of life and peace.

And so it is to this present day.
 
studier said:
More on the so-translated “natural man” in 1Cor2:14:

“natural” is “psuchikos”
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Psuchikos (ψυχικός) is a Greek adjective from the New Testament referring to the "soulish" or "natural" person,
contrasting with the "spiritual" (pneumatikos) or "physical" (sarkikos) man. It describes someone who is
not yet spiritually renewed, but is instead governed by their natural, earthly desires and appetites.
 
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Jordon said:
you make me laugh, we talked about discipline the other day and making the right choice, so the extremes of that in ancient days was a person could have his hand chopped of for stealing, and even then they would still probably believe they could carry on to steal with the other hand.

Because they would probably think that punishment was to hard, putting that punishment above obeying.

But pursuing God once you do believe is what I'm asking about here,

So then why would you pursue God now lol 😂
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One would pursue God after they're saved to know God's Will and Purpose for that person. Does God want them to be a Preacher, Teacher, whatever it is you will keep seeking God to know what He wants you to do to further the Kingdom of God to the people you will be around.
 
cv5 said:
Chronister has deduced that the determinists imply (or outright declare) that God is the originator of evil, created evil, purposes evil, had evil in mind to begin with.

Which of course is false.

Jhn 8:44
Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of G1537 his own: G2398 for he is a liar, and the father of it.
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As I've said recently, the more I deal with this determinist tradition and its erroneous interpretations, the more I'm against it. It's really foul.
 
cv5 said:
Agree. An all inclusive salvation is available to anyone who desires to obtain it.
Even for Gibeonite Hivite Canaanites (supposedly judged to certain doom). It was they who RECEIVED the Lord and His people, and EARNESTLY sought (and obtained) the covenant of life and peace.

And so it is to this present day.
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Amen!

The Bible mentions specific names but we know that Egyptian people went with the Hebrew People by their own choice and we know throughout the Tanakh many people did similar.
 
Magenta said:
Psuchikos (ψυχικός) is a Greek adjective from the New Testament referring to the "soulish" or "natural" person,
contrasting with the "spiritual" (pneumatikos) or "physical" (sarkikos) man. It describes someone who is
not yet spiritually renewed, but is instead governed by their natural, earthly desires and appetites.
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They have a super natural man; not a supernatural man.
 
lrs68 said:
One would pursue God after they're saved to know God's Will and Purpose for that person. Does God want them to be a Preacher, Teacher, whatever it is you will keep seeking God to know what He wants you to do to further the Kingdom of God to the people you will be around.
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I'll go with pursue Gods will for them above anything else.

But if they then know God's will for them after pursuing, why would they need to pursue him further.
 
lrs68 said:
Where's the word continually at other than how you translated it?
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Gen 6:5

Then the Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. NKJV

The Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intention of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. ESV

The Lord saw how great the wickedness of the human race had become on the earth, and that every inclination of the thoughts of the human heart was only evil all the time. NIV
 
Some say FW have a super natural man but they have the Holy Ghost entering a vessel before Repenting which is the opposite of what the Holy Ghost wrote over 50 times. So they're calling the Holy Ghost a liar.
 
Rufus said:
What does your drivel have to do with Gal 3:29 I quoted? You asked me who my [spiritual ]"daddy" is, and Gal 3:29 is my biblical answer. And since you don't like my answer, then you cannot possibly be in Christ since you disown Abraham and reject the covenant God made with him.

It appears you're so sold out to your superhero Adam that you must think he's everyone's spiritual daddy. But he's not mine. You can have him -- and be sure to make a idol of him to which you can bow down everyday.
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What we REALLY want to know is what the determinists think about the salvation of the Gibeonites.

They have no answer. Actually, they do not even understand the question, but I digress.....
 
Jordon said:
I'll go with pursue Gods will for them above anything else.

But if they then know God's will for them after pursuing, why would they need to pursue him further.
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To put them into situations to share the Gospel or Preachers will seek what God wants the congregation to be taught from the Bible.
 
BillyBob said:
Gen 6:5

Then the Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. NKJV

The Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intention of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. ESV

The Lord saw how great the wickedness of the human race had become on the earth, and that every inclination of the thoughts of the human heart was only evil all the time. NIV
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But we also know Enoch, Methuselah, Lamech, Noah, Noah's family weren't in that category so clearly it's not meaning all people.
 
lrs68 said:
Amen!

The Bible mentions specific names but we know that Egyptian people went with the Hebrew People by their own choice and we know throughout the Tanakh many people did similar.
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Agree. In fact the entire epic spectacle of the Exodus had ONE PURPOSE in God's mind: Salvation.

God is first and foremost a Savior, everything He does (everything one way or another) orbits around this ONE primary impetus/objective.
 
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