Is it ok to be once saved always saved.

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Responding to Everlasting Grace:
(Idk why your statement is not being quoted in this reply?)

Totally disagree! God stated otherwise, hence all the verses on warnings!!

What you stated is not Scriptural.
 
TruthDefender said:
Responding to Everlasting Grace:
(Idk why your statement is not being quoted in this reply?)

Totally disagree! God stated otherwise, hence all the verses on warnings!!

What you stated is not Scriptural.
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prove it, Don't just say it, Prove it

Did paul lie when he said we can be confident of this thing, that he who began a good work WILL complete it?

Did He lie when he said by one offering he has perfected forever those of us being sanctified?

Did John lie when he said they were never of us?

Jesus Jesus lie when he said we will never hunger or thirst. We will live forever. never die, and have his assurance we will never be lost?

sorry. But scripture did say what I said.

Warnings are to make sure we are saved and had true faith. Not that we can nose salvation.

Your preaching a spirit of fear. and not of sound mind.

God preached a spirit of adoption, where by we can cry out abba father
 
Everlasting-Grace said:
prove it, Don't just say it, Prove it

Did paul lie when he said we can be confident of this thing, that he who began a good work WILL complete it?

Did He lie when he said by one offering he has perfected forever those of us being sanctified?

Did John lie when he said they were never of us?

Jesus Jesus lie when he said we will never hunger or thirst. We will live forever. never die, and have his assurance we will never be lost?

sorry. But scripture did say what I said.

Warnings are to make sure we are saved and had true faith. Not that we can nose salvation.

Your preaching a spirit of fear. and not of sound mind.

God preached a spirit of adoption, where by we can cry out abba father
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All of that is for those who don’t go off track. You pick and choose verses here and there, but miss the warnings…..

I’m not preaching, but defending Truth of which I’m not hearing from you. The warnings are not only for the world but for ALL who take His name, which you’re obviously ignoring….. This has nothing to do with fear, but Truth in Him.

Stop wresting Scripture!
 
TruthDefender said:
You’re truly missing the point and the msg.
Of course Jesus died for our sins, but if you sin, and we ALL do, He is our advocate (Councilor/ Lawyer) pleading our case. If you say we never sin after being saved you are a liar, and He is not in you.

We most certainly can fall and lose our soul. The Scripture tells us this!!
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I never have stated that we never sin after being saved. In my post #71 I stated that we still will sin occasionally and fall short. Scripture says that Jesus will not lose a single one that the Father has entrusted with him. I agree completely with your first paragraph.
 
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tourist said:
I never have stated that we never sin after being saved. In my post #71 I stated that we still will sin occasionally and fall short. Scripture says that Jesus will not lose a single one that the Father has entrusted with him. I agree completely with your first paragraph.
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But you’re still advocating for OSAS which the Scripture does not teach.
 
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Blain said:
I am currently on the fence on the matter of osas. on one hand I have seen many fall away from faith or at least lose their fire on the other hand if salvation is a gift and not odf our own doing then how does one lose something that never belonged to them to begin with?

And then there is this John 10:28-29, which states, "I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one can snatch them out of My hands. My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of My Father's hand"
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No need to sit on the fence when passages that seem to support predestination may be harmonized with those supporting free will or perseverance as follows:

1. John 10:27-29 – being “unsnatchable” does not disallow a person from choosing to jump out of the “Father’s hand”. Also, in JN 6:37 “never drive away” does not mean a person cannot go away, and in JN 6:39 “I shall lose none” may refer to those who persevere or do not stray, who stand firm, who endure, who hold firmly, etc.

2. Rom. 8:38-39 – “anything else” may refer to powers other than one’s own will.

3. Rom. 14:4&10, Paul says not to judge a servant of Jesus, who is able to make them stand before God’s judgment. The verb “make” may mean “provide a way”.

4. 1Cor 1:8, 10:12 & 15:58, Paul says that Jesus will keep the Corinthian believers firm to the end, warns them that if they think they are standing firm to be careful that they don’t fall and therefore, stand firm, letting nothing move them from the work of the Lord. These verses indicate that standing firm involves a believer cooperating with the way Jesus provides.

5. 2Cor 1:20-24, Paul says that God makes us stand firm in Christ and anointed our hearts with the HS as a seal and deposit; it is by faith that we stand firm. This indicates that the way God provides for standing firm is for believers to persevere in saving faith.

6. Eph. 1:11-14 – what is “predestined” is God’s plan to choose or elect anyone who desires to be “in him” or to satisfy GRFS. Thus, being “marked in him with a seal” does not abrogate moral free will (cf. 2Pet. 1:10f).

7. 1 John 2:19 – when synthesized with verse 24 must mean that those who repudiate their Faith do not eternally “belong”.

8. Psalm 135:6 – in light of “volitional verses” (such as Deut. 30:19 & Matt. 23:37) means that God “pleases” to permit limited free will.

9. Pro. 21:1 – in order not to make God responsible for the sins cited in the rest of the chapter must mean that the “king’s heart” or will is choosing to cooperate with the Lord’s “hand” or directions.
 
smallville said:
I still keep sinning and sinning. repented. BUT I still smoke and drink.
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After we are saved, believe, repent, baptized in JESUS name to get rid of our sins and JESUS has filled us with the Holy GHost. Acts 2:38, John 3:5.

Does not make you perfect, after you have been reborn JESUS will help you and give you the power to overcome sin.

After we are saved and we sin, all we need to do is repent and confess those sins to JESUS and HE will forgive us. John 8:8-10

If you don't really want to stop it's going to take longer, you really have to want to stop that give GOD the glory.

I've seen people quick like snapping a finger and never deiser to smoke or drink again, others a lot longer like me.

Since HE knows your heart HE knows when your going to stop as the rest of us, so it's between you and HIM.

Once save always saved is a trick from Satan so you don't grow in JESUS, Satan what's people to keep all the sins so we can join him. Go back to your same life style and your still good.

Yep a lot of people don't agree with HIS word on how to be reborn or agree that you can lose your salivation.

So look at HIS word to see, don't listen to men.

Matthew 24:13
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13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

Matthew 12:50
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50 For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.

Matthew 7:21-23
King James Version
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

Since your asking, I think you want to quit so just do it.

GOD BLESS YOU in your walk.

I will add, when you quite DON'T start again, it may be harder the next time.
 
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smallville said:
I still keep sinning and sinning. repented. BUT I still smoke and drink.
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I was not promised tomorrow so.. I know believe in Jesus Christ now :) Now is all I have so.. once always or you can loose are not thoughts I have. 40y ago on the radio preacher says "I don't think anyone has fallen as much as me. Get up dust off keep going" Sin does not keep up out of heaven. There is "opps you forgot to confess that sin". Is knowing Jesus Christ as lord...living this life for Him through us. I can also say I have never ever ran with some thought "ooh I can sin all I want since Jesus died for all my sins". See He created in me that new man.. I put off the old renew my mind and put on the new man. I am righteous and holy in GOD"s eye not because I never sin but because of what Christ did. This flesh loves to sin.. I have been forgiven of all my sins...but if I goof up.. I say sorry repent because already forgiven yes but there is no free right to sin. Doing that gives the devil foot hold in our lifes.

So do you know Jesus Christ as lord? Tell Him your sorry..get up dust off keep going. There is no condemnation. HE said I didn't come to condemn the world by to save it. Its what He said.. not what I say.. He loves you He is for you never against you.. is not mad at you...fear worry doubt are never of GOD.
 
Ouch said:
That's because you want to be, just like you what to smoke and drink.

That is also a forgivable sin.

If your really interested in following JESUS YOU HAVE TO REPENT.
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Being gay/ homosexual is sinful and will have to be given up, if you want to go to heaven; however drinking is not sinful. It’s the drunkenness that is sinful.
 
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TruthDefender said:
All of that is for those who don’t go off track. You pick and choose verses here and there, but miss the warnings…..

I’m not preaching, but defending Truth of which I’m not hearing from you. The warnings are not only for the world but for ALL who take His name, which you’re obviously ignoring….. This has nothing to do with fear, but Truth in Him.

Stop wresting Scripture!
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You did not read them. Jesus did not say only if you do this.

I take the warning in context. But I take the promises as gospel truth
 
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1 Timothy, Chapter 4:

1Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

2Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;

OSAS is flawed theology. Paul is pretty clear that he thinks so too!

These are NOT the ones who "were never part of us," they were OF the Faith and departed from it! Just as Jesus said it would be.

Matthew, Chapter 24:

8All these are the beginning of sorrows.

9Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.

10And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.

11And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.

12And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.

13But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
 
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TruthDefender said:
All of that is for those who don’t go off track. You pick and choose verses here and there, but miss the warnings…..
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Paul did not say as long as they do not go off track.

I am sorry you are not confident in christ.

I’m not preaching, but defending Truth of which I’m not hearing from you. The warnings are not only for the world but for ALL who take His name, which you’re obviously ignoring….. This has nothing to do with fear, but Truth in Him.

Stop wresting Scripture!
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Your preaching self righteousness. and denying the righteousness of Christ and his gift you were offered.

I pray you receive his gift soon
 
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ResidentAlien said:
God is very patient with us. It's not healthy to always be fearful that He's going to turn His back on us. However, OSAS is a particularly dangerous teaching. It gives people the idea they can keep sinning willfully and everything will be cool. If you've had a bad past or a lot of trauma, it can be a long road getting to where you'd like to be with the Lord; but never give up and don't take the easy path of OSAS. God won't give up on you if you're sincere and have faith in Him.
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The question is: Is the person truely once saved?
 
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