No interest in repetitive determinist rabbit trails back to the soulish man and your equating him to Rom8. All done with the Exodus and salvation you inserted yourself into?
Want to start anew re: Rom8?
Can We Really Exercise Free Will?
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No interest in repetitive determinist rabbit trails back to the soulish man and your equating him to Rom8. All done with the Exodus and salvation you inserted yourself into?
Want to start anew re: Rom8?
John 3 verse 6, Romans 8 verse 7, Galatians 5 verse 17, 2 Timothy 3 verse 13, Romans 3 verse 18 ~ Flesh is born of flesh, but spirit is born of the Spirit. The mind of the flesh is hostile to God: It does not submit to God’s law, nor can it do so. The flesh craves what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the flesh. They are opposed to each other. Evil men and imposters go from bad to worse, deceiving and being deceived. There is no fear of God before their eyes.
You're filled with many things, I'm sure. But the Holy Spirit? Hmmm... If you were so filled with the Holy Spirit why couldn't you answer my questions? Could it be that the Holy Spirit has departed from you the way He did with king Saul?
Why in your mind is God obligated to save anyone? What great debt does the Potter owe to his clay pots?
Except he also said this ohn 6:44 where Jesus says, "No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him
Psalm 36 verses 1-4 ~ An oracle is in my heart regarding the transgression of the wicked man: There is no fear of God before his eyes. For his eyes are too full of conceit to detect or hate his own sin. The words of his mouth are wicked and deceitful; he has ceased to be wise and well-doing. Even on his bed he plots wickedness; he sets himself on a path that is not good; he fails to reject evil.
Jesus’ words in John 6 verse 65 I told you that no one can come to me unless the Father has enabled them. Plus Colossians 1 verse 21 and 2 verse 13; Ephesians 2 verse 1a and 3b; Philippians 1 verse 6 and 2 verse 13
I don't blame you. They only want to demolish what is plainly spoken to make it fit how they have been programmed to think.
30 Sirs, what must I do to be saved?
31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus, and thou shalt be saved, thou and thy house
I'm positive you are describing yourself.
As my good buddy SBC Pastor Rick Johnson would say, the unfortunate issue about those of us who follow the Reformed Doctrine is we're rather rude and cocky and none of those qualities are listed as good in the Bible.
Yes this is true but as the verse I posted says they must be drawn to him first and so if believing in him requires that God draws them to him first then this verse and the verse I posted makes perfect sense
While none of what your good buddy said actually true, you are the one here who is rude and cocky and questioning the salvation of several people here. Also...
The Southern Baptist Convention (SBC) was founded in 1845 after Southern Baptists split from their Northern counterparts over disagreements about slavery, specifically, whether slaveholders could serve as missionaries.
At least we didn't base the foundation of our new denomination on slavery.
The fact that no man seeks for God without His first drawing us is proof that FWers
are wrong to claim man is born with everything he needs to come to belief.
Despite what the un-Biblical free will doctrine promoters put forth, the natural man does not have everything he needs in order to grow the good fruit of faith from the stony ground of his incurably wicked heart which is opposed to the things of God, and he cannot change himself, being a lover of darkness who suppresses the truth in unrighteousness as a slave to sin, being inherently hostile in his mind toward God, and blinded to the truth while under the power of the evil one. Those who promote the free will of the natural man reject a plethora of Biblical truths. Praise God if Jesus has set you free!
If a person claimed God is something not found in the Bible and beat people down with the false doctrine day after day would you believe it's possible for that person to have a wonderful worship and praise life?
Did you ever read the verses before and after your verse to see why Jesus said that?
I won't chase your errors around. They are too extensive. But consider this at least: The word used in Jer2:19 is not the "fear" of the Lord used in Jer32:40 or Prov1:29. The fear of the Lord is discussed in Scripture many times' long before Jeremiah and is not just a NC promise. The lasting fear of the Lord in Jer32 re: the NC in Jer31 is just that, covenantal. The instruction about the volition of the people can be seen at minimum in Jer31:15 and on. The participants in the NC are ultimately those who responsively, volitionally believe in God.
Yes and I am sure they will hold to their views until they die but the scriptures already state that it is impossible. I mean if people would be willing to to at least consider they may be wrong then maybe they can actually learn and grow in wisdom and truth but people aren't interested in that they just want to be rightThe fact that no man seeks for God without His first drawing us is proof that FWers
are wrong to claim man is born with everything he needs to come to belief.
Despite what the un-Biblical free will doctrine promoters put forth, the natural man does not have everything he needs in order to grow the good fruit of faith from the stony ground of his incurably wicked heart which is opposed to the things of God, and he cannot change himself, being a lover of darkness who suppresses the truth in unrighteousness as a slave to sin, being inherently hostile in his mind toward God, and blinded to the truth while under the power of the evil one. Those who promote the free will of the natural man reject a plethora of Biblical truths. Praise God if Jesus has set you free!
Yes in fact the whole chapter is to be taken into consideration not just that one verse
But nothing in it contradicts what Jesus plainly says