Gospel Confusion...

[BillG]

Since you answered the question with an attack, I’m going to assume you are.

Sorry for being grumpy with you.

 

[TruthDefender]

Do you believe is someone who does not speak in tongues is not saved?

The Same for those baptised in the name of The Father. The Son and the Holy Spirit?

Apparently some on this forum believe that and tell me I’m not saved.

I can only tell you what Scripture says, friend.
Jesus gives us the hope and mercy through those who do the following:
-Hear His word
-Believe in Him
-Repent
-Confess before men
-Be baptized
-Remain Faithful!

I can back everything up with Scripture.

 

[TruthDefender]

Sorry for being grumpy with you.

Forgiven, everything is good. Perhaps I sound like this too, sorry!
I hear your frustration, though…..

 

[Musicmaster]

First the most important thing to do is beborn, if not why care about the sins you commit today?

How to be reborn, believe, repent, get baptized in JESUS name TO GET RID OF OUR SINS and pray for JESUS to fill us with the Holy Ghost like HE did HIS DISCIPLES in Acts 2:4. Are you a JESUS disciple?

What do you think of this?

Matthew 5:28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

If I look at a women, I have committed adultery!!

This is what happens to those who commit adultery,

1 Corinthians 6,
9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

Of course you can think anything you like, after we are reborn, believe, repent, baptized in JESUS name and JESUS filled them with the Holy Ghost like HE did (key words) HIS DISCIPLES in Acts 2:4.

Then if I do look at a women in lust I have committed adultery and going to HELL, BUT JESUS gave us a way to get rid of that sin.

1 John 1:8-10
8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

First I need to realize my sin and all I need to do is repent and confess them.

Do you think we need to repent daily? Maybe more than once a day?

Why not quote the rest of the context in 1 Cor. that says nothing about losing one's salvation after being saved? That is important, in case you missed it.

MM

 

[Musicmaster]

Do you believe in OSAS? This is not Scriptural.

That's an interesting statement, to say that OSAS is not scriptural.

Let me ask you this:

Is it scriptural to say that the seal of Holy Spirit can be removed from a saved individual? Where does scripture declare that?

Is it scriptural to say our Father God forfeits His own Spirit by giving up His own Spirit upon withdrawing salvation given with His own Spirit as an earnest for salvation?

Thanks.

MM

 

[Ouch]

Why not quote the rest of the context in 1 Cor. that says nothing about losing one's salvation after being saved? That is important, in case you missed it.

MM

I guess you're ok with what I shared, if you want to prove what you think you share the rest of 1 Cor and help me understand.

I don't know any verse that says you are saved forever or you can't lose your salivation.

Do you fell conferrable with that, if you do Satan is Happy.

He loves us not seeking JESUS and he loves if we think we are secure in HIM and don't have to do nothing and still be saved.

I just gave a perfect example using HIS word that after we are reborn we can easily sin daily and be heading to Hell.

 

[TruthDefender]

That's an interesting statement, to say that OSAS is not scriptural.

Let me ask you this:

Is it scriptural to say that the seal of Holy Spirit can be removed from a saved individual? Where does scripture declare that?

Is it scriptural to say our Father God forfeits His own Spirit by giving up His own Spirit upon withdrawing salvation given with His own Spirit as an earnest for salvation?

Thanks.

MM

You’re not making any sense! Please give Scripture for your belief.

 

[Ouch]

That's an interesting statement, to say that OSAS is not scriptural.

Let me ask you this:

Is it scriptural to say that the seal of Holy Spirit can be removed from a saved individual? Where does scripture declare that?

Is it scriptural to say our Father God forfeits His own Spirit by giving up His own Spirit upon withdrawing salvation given with His own Spirit as an earnest for salvation?

Thanks.

MM

How do you know you have the Holy Ghost?

 

[Musicmaster]

I guess you're ok with what I shared, if you want to prove what you think you share the rest of 1 Cor and help me understand.

I don't know any verse that says you are saved forever or you can't lose your salivation.

Do you fell conferrable with that, if you do Satan is Happy.

He loves us not seeking JESUS and he loves if we think we are secure in HIM and don't have to do nothing and still be saved.

I just gave a perfect example using HIS word that after we are reborn we can easily sin daily and be heading to Hell.

I quoted them already, but you ignored them as is your practice throughout your postings.

MM

 

[Musicmaster]

You’re not making any sense! Please give Scripture for your belief.

Sure thing:

2 Corinthians 1:22 — Who hath also sealed us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts.

Ephesians 1:13 — In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

What verse anywhere states the removal of that seal, and what verse states God forfeiting His own Spirit by taking back the Spirit who is given in EARNEST? Those are keys to the absolute nature of our salvation. I'm sure you will deny the clear language of those verses, which is your practice in doing so that you can hold to your puny beliefs in loss of salvation...if that's what you are trying tonprove here.

Additionally, your attempt at demonizing OSAS by trying to align that belief as a pleasure to Satan, you can save it. That you don't believe in the absolute sufficiency of the shed Blood of Christ for salvation apart from woks such as water baptism, you're wasting your own time and are guilty of even more falsehoods.

MM

 

[Ouch]

I quoted them already, but you ignored them as is your practice throughout your postings.

MM

Ok, that's the end of that.

 

[Ouch]

Sure thing:

2 Corinthians 1:22 — Who hath also sealed us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts.

Ephesians 1:13 — In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

What verse anywhere states the removal of that seal, and what verse states God forfeiting His own Spirit by taking back the Spirit who is given in EARNEST? Those are keys to the absolute nature of our salvation. I'm sure you will deny the clear language of those verses, which is your practice in doing so that you can hold to your puny beliefs in loss of salvation...if that's what you are trying tonprove here.

Additionally, your attempt at demonizing OSAS by trying to align that belief as a pleasure to Satan, you can save it. That you don't believe in the absolute sufficiency of the shed Blood of Christ for salvation apart from woks such as water baptism, you're wasting your own time and are guilty of even more falsehoods.

MM

How do you know you have the spirit?

Ephesians, what did you have your trust in, what truth did you hear? what was the gospel of your salvation?

JESUS did shed HIS BLOOD.

That has nothing to do with what we have to do!!

Did I ever ask you if you got the Holy Ghost since you have belived?

We never got past how do we get rid our sins, and looks like you still don't know.

DO WE HAVE TO DO ANYTHING TO GET RID OF THEM??

If we don't how do we?

 

[John146]

How do you know you have the spirit?

Ephesians, what did you have your trust in, what truth did you hear? what was the gospel of your salvation?

JESUS did shed HIS BLOOD.

That has nothing to do with what we have to do!!

Did I ever ask you if you got the Holy Ghost since you have belived?

We never got past how do we get rid our sins, and looks like you still don't know.

DO WE HAVE TO DO ANYTHING TO GET RID OF THEM??

If we don't how do we?

For by grace are ye saved through faith...

Romans 11:6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

 

[John146]

Sure thing:

2 Corinthians 1:22 — Who hath also sealed us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts.

Ephesians 1:13 — In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

What verse anywhere states the removal of that seal, and what verse states God forfeiting His own Spirit by taking back the Spirit who is given in EARNEST? Those are keys to the absolute nature of our salvation. I'm sure you will deny the clear language of those verses, which is your practice in doing so that you can hold to your puny beliefs in loss of salvation...if that's what you are trying tonprove here.

Additionally, your attempt at demonizing OSAS by trying to align that belief as a pleasure to Satan, you can save it. That you don't believe in the absolute sufficiency of the shed Blood of Christ for salvation apart from woks such as water baptism, you're wasting your own time and are guilty of even more falsehoods.

MM

Agree brother. I have the Holy Spirit because scripture tells me so. That's enough for me.

 

[TruthDefender]

Sure thing:

2 Corinthians 1:22 — Who hath also sealed us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts.

Ephesians 1:13 — In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

What verse anywhere states the removal of that seal, and what verse states God forfeiting His own Spirit by taking back the Spirit who is given in EARNEST? Those are keys to the absolute nature of our salvation. I'm sure you will deny the clear language of those verses, which is your practice in doing so that you can hold to your puny beliefs in loss of salvation...if that's what you are trying tonprove here.

Additionally, your attempt at demonizing OSAS by trying to align that belief as a pleasure to Satan, you can save it. That you don't believe in the absolute sufficiency of the shed Blood of Christ for salvation apart from woks such as water baptism, you're wasting your own time and are guilty of even more falsehoods.

MM

You’re speaking heresy. You’re reading some gibberish into the verses that’s not Scriptural.

There are tons of verses throughout the NC warning the saved that they can lose their own soul, if they don’t repent and faithfully do His will (live faithfully).

So everything you said about me is actually on you…..

 

[Ouch]

For by grace are ye saved through faith...

Romans 11:6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

AMEN,

Do you only use scriptures you like?

What does the name John mean in hebrew?

The name John comes from the Hebrew name Yochanan (יוֹחָנָן), which means "God is gracious" or "God has been gracious". It is a combination of the shortened divine name Yo (from YHWH, or God) and chanan (חָנָן), meaning "to be gracious" or "to show favor".

Do you have any idea what it took for GOD to make it so easy for us to obey and get baptized to remove our sins?

If not PLEASE read about John birth, the ONLY human ever born with the Holy Ghost.


Paul speaking about what John started.

Romans 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.


What do you think of John's name?

What do you think of Romans 6?

GOD GRACELY gives us the water to get rid of our sins, THAT'S SOME GRACE going on there.

 

[Ouch]

Agree brother. I have the Holy Spirit because scripture tells me so. That's enough for me.

Do you have the Holy Ghost?

This is what scripture tells us when you get the Holy Ghost.

Acts 2:3-4
3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.
4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.


Peter explains and tells us that's what happens when you get the Holy Ghost.

Acts 2:33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.


JESUS tells us what happens when we get the Holy Ghost.

Mark 16:17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;


Others being filled with the Holy Ghost.

Acts 8:12 But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.

13 Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done.

14 Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John:

15 Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost:

16 (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)

17 Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost.

HOW DID THEY KNOW THEY DIDN'T GET IT???? Yep, the DIDN'T hear them speak in tongues so they send to Peter and John to come!!!


Acts 19:6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.


So tell me how does scripture tell you YOU have the Holy Ghost when it's something that JESUS himself give out???

Did you know it's a part of being REBORN?

John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

CAN'T ENTER WITHOUT IT.

 

[Grandpa]

Do you have the Holy Ghost?

This is what scripture tells us when you get the Holy Ghost.

Acts 2:3-4
3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.
4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.


Peter explains and tells us that's what happens when you get the Holy Ghost.

Acts 2:33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.


JESUS tells us what happens when we get the Holy Ghost.

Mark 16:17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;


Others being filled with the Holy Ghost.

Acts 8:12 But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.

13 Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done.

14 Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John:

15 Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost:

16 (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)

17 Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost.

HOW DID THEY KNOW THEY DIDN'T GET IT???? Yep, the DIDN'T hear them speak in tongues so they send to Peter and John to come!!!


Acts 19:6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.


So tell me how does scripture tell you YOU have the Holy Ghost when it's something that JESUS himself give out???

Did you know it's a part of being REBORN?

John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

CAN'T ENTER WITHOUT IT.

1 Corinthians 6:9-20

 

[John146]

AMEN,

Do you only use scriptures you like?

What does the name John mean in hebrew?

The name John comes from the Hebrew name Yochanan (יוֹחָנָן), which means "God is gracious" or "God has been gracious". It is a combination of the shortened divine name Yo (from YHWH, or God) and chanan (חָנָן), meaning "to be gracious" or "to show favor".

Do you have any idea what it took for GOD to make it so easy for us to obey and get baptized to remove our sins?

If not PLEASE read about John birth, the ONLY human ever born with the Holy Ghost.


Paul speaking about what John started.

Romans 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.


What do you think of John's name?

What do you think of Romans 6?

GOD GRACELY gives us the water to get rid of our sins, THAT'S SOME GRACE going on there.

1. I rightly divide the word of truth according to audience. All scripture is written for me, but not all is written to me.
2. No water in Romans 6, but the spiritual baptism of being placed, immersed, into Christ.
3. Shall we continue in sin? God forbid. No, we should not. That is not the way a Christian with grace should think or behave. I am in Christ. I have his righteousness. Is Christ without sin? Yes, then so am I.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

1 Corinthians 6:9-20

This really is the essence of the matter. Our fruit proves whether we have the holy spirit or not. If someone "has the holy ghost" and doesn't walk according to the holy ghost, what good is it? At one point King Saul had the holy ghost, but walked contrary to it and consequently was rejected and destroyed