Thanks for the advice. You rely on your goodness and water. I'll rely on Christ's righteousness and his blood. No hard feelings.
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Thanks for the advice. You rely on your goodness and water. I'll rely on Christ's righteousness and his blood. No hard feelings.
Why would I have hard feeling, I just share HIS word.
I know not all will see.
Best of luck.
I'm sorry I don't have much tack.
Please consider the verse's I shared and what JESUS said in John 3:5, can't ENTER without being baptized or without receiving the Holy Ghost.
Consider that Paul was baptized and spoke in tongues.
Consider that Paul expounded on the Holy Ghost in 1 Cor 14 and the purpose of baptism in Romans 6.
Why would he explain them in detail if they were not important.
Once Saved Always Saved.
Those who believe this, are often accused of using grace as a licence to sin.
Thats why I quoted Romans because every person I know who belives in OSAS do not believe it is a licence to sin.
That is what Ouch accused John164
If your going to quote me, quote me.
This is what I said.
Then you really thing a person has a license to sin, they can do anything they wish and still go to Heaven. Be a drunker, lie, steal, convent thy neighbor, murder etc.
I said you really thing (should have been think) a person has a license to sin?
I was asking a question.
So tell me what did I accuse him of doing???
They believe in their possession of a license to paint all others with the broad brush strokes of their own imaginations. What they are doing is very much like the political left, which is to demonize the opponent, smear them, try to make them look as bad as they can while practicing some imaginary system of salvation through the works of their efforts.
They don't seem to get it that retaining salvation by their efforts leads to the inevitable conclusion that they also had to have earned their salvation through their own efforts as supplements to the Blood of Christ. That is all a false gospel that Paul said the preachers of are to be accursed.
I'm still waiting on them to show to us all that imaginary line of theirs that supposedly is the demarcation between saved and loss of salvation. They still sin, so based on their own claims to the potential for loss of salvation, we don't know if they are even saved right now without knowing where that line rests. Their inability to define that line apart from some subjective claim that they are still saved right now, I'll have to ask them to prove it. Showing to us which side of that imaginary line they are on is of utmost importance that they simply cannot show to us.
So, let them show their accursedness. It's a tragic duplication of the teachings from the RCC, which has taught subjective doctrines through evolutionary appearance out of nowhere. The more they try to defend it, the farther away from scripture they get, thus having to rely on tradition as their god. The same seems to go here on this topic.
MM
My point was that you did not put a ? at the end of your quote, so it didn’t look like a question but an accusation, which made it more like an accusation ending it with How sad.
You said
Then you really thing a person has a license to sin, they can do anything they wish and still go to Heaven. Be a drunker, lie, steal, convent thy neighbor, murder etc.
How sad,
When you throw in illegitimate concepts and words as allegedly representing another's views, you're poisoning the well of conversation. At least demonstrate the integrity of asking if another believes in "license" to sin.
Now, what about you? Given that you are still sinning every day, what license do you have to do that and still claim to be saved? If you think you're saved right now, then how close are you to that line of loss of your salvation? Where is that line? Show it to us if you can because your daily sins, on the basis of what you're proposing here, causes me concern that even YOU are still saved if you can't clearly define the location of that line.
Scripture clearly defines the line of salvation, but I can't seem to find that definition for loss of salvation. Can you quote a verse or verses that shows that line, but do so without injecting salvation into the context? Be careful, now. Many have triggered the bomb of eisegetical interpretations when attempting this.
MM
Ouch, as to your question to another in here about license to sin, no. None of us has "license" to sin that I have ever heard of. What about you? Given that you sin every day, why? Do YOU have license for all those sins you perpetrate each day, given that you seem to think that such exists?
If you think that you confess all your sins each day, how do you know you didn't miss any, and that the accrual of those unconfessed sins don't pile up to an alleged loss of YOUR salvation? Do you get a warm fuzzy by offering up some sort of "general" confessional to cover any that you know that we would ALL miss in that scenario? What does a blanket confessional prayer look like? Where is that in scripture? Was it the Lord's Prayer? No, it can't be that because that prayer requests forgiveness on the basis of Israel's forgiveness of others.
So, please clarify all those elusive meandering that you seem to think are those things as to which you are adhering. We'd very much like to see it all.
MM
If you think that you confess all your sins each day, how do you know you didn't miss any, and that the accrual of those unconfessed sins don't pile up to an alleged loss of YOUR salvation? Do you get a warm fuzzy by offering up some sort of "general" confessional to cover any that you know that we would ALL miss in that scenario? What does a blanket confessional prayer look like? Where is that in scripture? Was it the Lord's Prayer? No, it can't be that because that prayer requests forgiveness on the basis of Israel's forgiveness of others.
So, please clarify all those elusive meandering that you seem to think are those things as to which you are adhering. We'd very much like to see it all.
MM
First the most important thing to do is beborn, if not why care about the sins you commit today?
How to be reborn, believe, repent, get baptized in JESUS name TO GET RID OF OUR SINS and pray for JESUS to fill us with the Holy Ghost like HE did HIS DISCIPLES in Acts 2:4. Are you a JESUS disciple?
What do you think of this?
Matthew 5:28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
If I look at a women, I have committed adultery!!
This is what happens to those who commit adultery,
1 Corinthians 6,
9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
Of course you can think anything you like, after we are reborn, believe, repent, baptized in JESUS name and JESUS filled them with the Holy Ghost like HE did (key words) HIS DISCIPLES in Acts 2:4.
Then if I do look at a women in lust I have committed adultery and going to HELL, BUT JESUS gave us a way to get rid of that sin.
1 John 1:8-10
8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
First I need to realize my sin and all I need to do is repent and confess them.
Do you think we need to repent daily? Maybe more than once a day?
First the most important thing to do is beborn, if not why care about the sins you commit today?
How to be reborn, believe, repent, get baptized in JESUS name TO GET RID OF OUR SINS and pray for JESUS to fill us with the Holy Ghost like HE did HIS DISCIPLES in Acts 2:4. Are you a JESUS disciple?
What do you think of this?
Matthew 5:28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
If I look at a women, I have committed adultery!!
This is what happens to those who commit adultery,
1 Corinthians 6,
9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
Of course you can think anything you like, after we are reborn, believe, repent, baptized in JESUS name and JESUS filled them with the Holy Ghost like HE did (key words) HIS DISCIPLES in Acts 2:4.
Then if I do look at a women in lust I have committed adultery and going to HELL, BUT JESUS gave us a way to get rid of that sin.
1 John 1:8-10
8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
First I need to realize my sin and all I need to do is repent and confess them.
Do you think we need to repent daily? Maybe more than once a day?
Neither is oneness Pentecostal or telling people who don’t speak in tongues or are not baptised in Jesus name only are not saved.
I bet you don’t go after them.
Yeh it’s not nice is it?
Yes I believe OSAS.
And no I don’t believe it’s a licence to sin.
Do you believe is someone who does not speak in tongues is not saved?
The Same for those baptised in the name of The Father. The Son and the Holy Spirit?
Apparently some on this forum believe that and tell me I’m not saved.
I can only tell you what Scripture says, friend.
Jesus gives us the hope and mercy through those who do the following:
-Hear His word
-Believe in Him
-Repent
-Confess before men
-Be baptized
-Remain Faithful!