where in the letters did they literally write Jesus is the Father?

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where in the letters did they literally write Jesus is the Father?

this is dealing with oneness petecostalism

I never got a straigth answer to this question. The apostles were discipled and taught by Jesus himself. Where in their letters do they literally write that Jesus is the Father? You will get run arounds like Jesus is god therefore he is the Father. That is not a text in their letters where they write. Jesus is the Father.

Where in the letters did they write literally that the Holy Spirit is the Father?

https://www.biblegateway.com/quicksearch/?quicksearch="Jesus+is+the+Father"&version=KJV



https://www.biblegateway.com/quicksearch/?quicksearch="holy+ghost+is+the+Father"&version=KJV



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It doesn't exist because he isn't the father. That idea is based on Isaiah 9:6 in which one of the names for Christ is everlasting father in numerous translations. It could also be translated as father of eternity. One version of the LXX has father of the coming age, and another version omits it altogether.
 
ChristRoseFromTheDead said:
It doesn't exist because he isn't the father. That idea is based on Isaiah 9:6 in which one of the names for Christ is everlasting father in numerous translations. It could also be translated as father of eternity. One version of the LXX has father of the coming age, and another version omits it altogether.
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It also draws heavily on John 10:30 where Jesus states, “I and the Father are one” and on John 14:9 where Jesus states, If you have seen me, you have seen the Father.”

However, there are many verses that distinguish the two, even within the immediate context of those verses.
 
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TheLearner said:
where in the letters did they literally write Jesus is the Father?

this is dealing with oneness petecostalism

I never got a straigth answer to this question. The apostles were discipled and taught by Jesus himself. Where in their letters do they literally write that Jesus is the Father? You will get run arounds like Jesus is god therefore he is the Father. That is not a text in their letters where they write. Jesus is the Father.

Where in the letters did they write literally that the Holy Spirit is the Father?

https://www.biblegateway.com/quicksearch/?quicksearch="Jesus+is+the+Father"&version=KJV



https://www.biblegateway.com/quicksearch/?quicksearch="holy+ghost+is+the+Father"&version=KJV



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Isaiah 43:11
I am, I am the Lord: and there is no saviour besides me.
 
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Isaiah 9 v 6-7a Unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given, and the government will be upon His shoulders. And He will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. Of the increase of His government and peace there will be no end. Of the increase of His government and peace there will be no end.
 
I am the Lord, and there is no other;
apart from me there is no God. Isaiah 45

The virgin will conceive and give birth to a son, and they will call him Immanuel” (which means “God with us”).
 
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It occurred to me that it would be valid to claim that God Is, not just a, but The Man, Jesus.
 
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TheLearner said:
where in the letters did they literally write Jesus is the Father?

this is dealing with oneness petecostalism

I never got a straigth answer to this question. The apostles were discipled and taught by Jesus himself. Where in their letters do they literally write that Jesus is the Father? You will get run arounds like Jesus is god therefore he is the Father. That is not a text in their letters where they write. Jesus is the Father.

Where in the letters did they write literally that the Holy Spirit is the Father?

https://www.biblegateway.com/quicksearch/?quicksearch="Jesus+is+the+Father"&version=KJV



https://www.biblegateway.com/quicksearch/?quicksearch="holy+ghost+is+the+Father"&version=KJV



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Who is the Lord of heaven and earth?

Colossians 1:16-17
16 For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones
or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through Him and for Him. He is before all things,
and in Him all things hold together.

You were created through Jesus Christ and solely for Jesus Christ.

Luke 10:22
All things have been handed over to Me by My Father, and no one knows who the Son is except the Father,
and who the Father is except the Son, and anyone to whom the Son wills to reveal Him.

Everything belongs to Jesus.

No one has ever seen the Father.

No one has ever heard the Father.

No one has ever known the Father.

The "Father" is a title and not a name.

There is only one name given under heaven by which we can be saved and that name is not a title.
 
Here (<= link) is a great thread (created by our lovely brother in Christ,
@posthuman ) with many proof texts given for the divinity of Jesus.

:)
 
Joh 10:30 I and my Father are one.

Joh 14:8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
Joh 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?
Joh 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

I believe these verses is speaking of the Father and the Son, the man Christ Jesus.

Which the man Christ Jesus said if you have seen me you have seen the Father.

And He did not do the works but the Father did the works through the man Christ Jesus.

Also you have to consider this.

Jesus said baptize in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost.

But the disciples baptized Jews, Gentiles, and Samaritans, in the name of Jesus in the book of Acts.

Did they disobey Jesus.

Also the Bible says all we do in word and deed do all in the name of Jesus which would be a contradiction to what Jesus said.

But it is not a contradiction.

Jesus said He came in the Father's name.

Hebrews 1 says the Son inherited the name Jesus.

John 14 says the Holy Spirit comes in the name of Jesus.

Jesus is the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, which those are titles, not names, and name is singular.

So whether one God with no distinction of persons, or a trinity, Jesus is the name of the Father, so Jesus is the Father.

Jesus is the name that is above all names in this world, and the world to come, and the highest revealed name to people being above the name of Jehovah but includes that name.

So it has to be the Father's name for the Son would not have a name greater than the Father.

Jehovah is the name God revealed to the Jews when He brought them out of Israel which means physical deliverance.

Which Jesus means spiritual deliverance which is a higher name.

And you have to consider this.

1Co 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him.

Eph 4:6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

Why does the Bible only attribute the Father as God and does not mention the Son, and Holy Spirit.

Someone might say what about let us make man in our image.

In the New Testament it says Adam was made in the image of Christ.

God had the plan to come in the future in flesh, the Word, before He created Adam and Eve and created them in that image.

And without that plan God would have not created anything He created.

The let us create man in our image has to include the man Christ Jesus.

So is it speaking of a trinity or God the Father and the man Christ Jesus.

Someone might say what about Jesus at the right hand of God.

God's right hand symbolizes power, wisdom, and salvation.

Jesus said that all power is given unto me in heaven and earth.

The man Christ Jesus is the only mediator between God and people.

David said the LORD said unto my Lord, sit at my right hand "until I make your enemies your footstool".

Which Jesus at the right hand is a temporary role.

1Co 15:24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
1Co 15:27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.

Which God exalted the man Christ Jesus to exercise the throne of power, be at His right hand, until His enemies are conquered, and then the Son shall submit to the Father, stop being at the right hand, that God may be all in all.

Rev 4:2 And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne.

Rev 22:3 And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him.

There is only 1 throne in heaven and one who sits on that throne, which is the throne of God and the Lamb, God in the glorified body of the man Christ Jesus.

The only person we will see in heaven is Jesus which if you have seen Him you have seen the Father.

1Co 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him.

Eph 4:6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

Is there one God the Father or a trinity.
 
"If you have seen me, you have seen the Father.”

Jesus, the son, is the visible likeness, or expression, of the invisible God, the father. No man can see the father and live.

[Jesus] Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: Colossians 1:15​

Image
G1504 εἰκών eikon (ei-kōn') n.
1. a likeness.
2. (literally) statue, profile.
3. (figuratively) representation, resemblance.

And [Moses] said, I beseech you, show me your glory. And [YHWH] said, I will make all my goodness pass before you, and I will proclaim the name of YHWH before you; and will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and will show mercy on whom I will show mercy. And he said, You cannot see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live. And the LORD said, Behold, there is a place by me, and you shall stand upon a rock: And it shall come to pass, while my glory passes by, that I will put you in a cleft of the rock, and will cover you with my hand while I pass by: And I will take away my hand, and you shall see my back parts: but my face shall not be seen. Exodus 33:19-23​
 
TheLearner said:
where in the letters did they literally write Jesus is the Father?

this is dealing with oneness petecostalism

I never got a straigth answer to this question. The apostles were discipled and taught by Jesus himself. Where in their letters do they literally write that Jesus is the Father? You will get run arounds like Jesus is god therefore he is the Father. That is not a text in their letters where they write. Jesus is the Father.

Where in the letters did they write literally that the Holy Spirit is the Father?

https://www.biblegateway.com/quicksearch/?quicksearch="Jesus+is+the+Father"&version=KJV



https://www.biblegateway.com/quicksearch/?quicksearch="holy+ghost+is+the+Father"&version=KJV



Not in ether.,
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Jesus did say that if you saw and knew him that you would also know who the Father is. It does not state that Jesus is actually the Father. You have the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Three separate entities comprising on God.
 
TheLearner said:
where in the letters did they literally write Jesus is the Father?

this is dealing with oneness petecostalism

I never got a straigth answer to this question. The apostles were discipled and taught by Jesus himself. Where in their letters do they literally write that Jesus is the Father? You will get run arounds like Jesus is god therefore he is the Father. That is not a text in their letters where they write. Jesus is the Father.

Where in the letters did they write literally that the Holy Spirit is the Father?

https://www.biblegateway.com/quicksearch/?quicksearch="Jesus+is+the+Father"&version=KJV



https://www.biblegateway.com/quicksearch/?quicksearch="holy+ghost+is+the+Father"&version=KJV



Not in ether.,
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The confusion occurs because it is not possible to work God out. Jesus is God, the Father is God and the Holy Spirit is God. They are one but they are not the same. Jesus said that if you have seen me, you have seen the Father. Paul says that Lord Jesus is the visible image of the invisible God. Paul says that the Lord is the Spirit. In other words, the Holy Spirit is Jesus. Except that they are individuals also.

Theologians and others have been wrestling with this for 2,000 years. We will only know for sure when we are freed from the limitations of this physical body and soul. I've given up trying. It makes my head hurt.
 
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