Are all the spiritual gifts still active today?

[Lamar]

LOL Then just remove the church History after 95 AD, ok. Don't use Polycarp, Ignatius, Clement, and others who documented miracles after John's death.

What does what Polycarp, Ignatius, Clement and others witnessed or wrote about have to do with the physical supernatural manifestations happening today?

How can you be so blind to the difference between then and now?

Something happening in the past does not prove it is currently happening now.

Do you truly not understand this concept?

Yes, the Bible records tangible supernatural manifestations happening during the time of its writing.
Yes, there may be some recorded manifestations during the time of the early church followers.
But this does not prove that there are manifestations happening or being recorded today.

 

[CS1]

What does what Polycarp, Ignatius, Clement and others witnessed or wrote about have to do with the physical supernatural manifestations happening today?

How can you be so blind to the difference between then and now?

Something happening in the past does not prove it is currently happening now.

Do you truly not understand this concept?

Yes, the Bible records tangible supernatural manifestations happening during the time of its writing.
Yes, there may be some recorded manifestations during the time of the early church followers.
But this does not prove that there are manifestations happening or being recorded today.

The answer is yes, it does. You haven't seen?

 

[CS1]

The answer is yes, it does. You haven't seen?

What does what Polycarp, Ignatius, Clement and others witnessed or wrote about have to do with the physical supernatural manifestations happening today?

How can you be so blind to the difference between then and now?

Something happening in the past does not prove it is currently happening now.

Do you truly not understand this concept?

Yes, the Bible records tangible supernatural manifestations happening during the time of its writing.
Yes, there may be some recorded manifestations during the time of the early church followers.
But this does not prove that there are manifestations happening or being recorded today.

Don't get mad at us because we testify to what we know and have seen. God has not changed. I'm sorry you are a wounded person, hurt by someone or something that failed your Prayer, which you asked and believed in. Now you're angry. I get it.

You dismiss Church history and eyewitness accounts throughout the ages.

I have seen what God does and even what the devil does.

In India and other places, I have been. What would you do when a person comes and begins to float in mid-air, telling you about an action those there have taken that no one knew about? Please let me know what you would do, then I will tell you what I did. I will wait. If you want to see this kind of demonic activity, let me know. I have proof of that, too.

 

[GWH]

I believe what the current disagreement illustrates is the need to view the New Testament as normative for faith and practice.
Extra-biblical history and personal experiences may be interesting, but they are not to be deemed as equal to Scripture.

Thus, we would do well and perhaps speak more amicably if we all stated our agreement regarding the essential Gospel
and agreed to disagree regarding secondary teachings until we get to heaven and learn whose opinion was closest to correct.

Surely we should be truthseekers and seek to become more loving as long as we live.

 

[shittim]

Holy Spirit guides in ALL truth.

 

[CS1]

I believe what the current disagreement illustrates is the need to view the New Testament as normative for faith and practice.
Extra-biblical history and personal experiences may be interesting, but they are not to be deemed as equal to Scripture.

Thus, we would do well and perhaps speak more amicably if we all stated our agreement regarding the essential Gospel
and agreed to disagree regarding secondary teachings until we get to heaven and learn whose opinion was closest to correct.

Surely we should be truthseekers and seek to become more loving as long as we live.

So testimony is not a valid part of the word of GOD? You are suggesting that Healings that have happen outside of the word of God documentation are not Biblical? Historical context and Narrative to not complement what is recorded in the word of God. Archaeology finding and scientific evidence are not used in proper interpretation of the word of GOD.

 

[awelight]

1. Morally accountable human beings does not include babies, comatose, insane.
It means normal humans who have reached the age/stage of understanding God's requirement for salvation.

2. Doctrinal details includes information that builds on the essential Gospel foundation.

I like the way you discuss, so I wonder whether you would take me up on my invitation for folks to critique our website
in order to see where it might need correction or addition. It is <truthseekersfellowship.com>

You sound like you might be interested in beginning with Lesson 2 on God's requirement for salvation,
which corresponds to my thread called The Kerygma. If so, I hope to see you there and I will share from the beginning.

Sorry for the delay on my reply and thank you for the invite. Most kind. However I must raise an objection, on a fundamental fact, that you posted here. You stated: "Morally accountable human beings does not include babies, comatose, insane.
It means normal humans who have reached the age/stage of understanding God's requirement for salvation."

This is frequently taught in many churches and it sounds real good to ones unenlightened mind. Reasonable one might say. After all, how can one be held accountable if they are incapable of understanding sin or the Gospel? Nevertheless, this idea flies in the face of sound doctrinal texts. In short, it denies the Biblical fact, that when Adam (Our Federal Head), "FELL" in sin, he took all of the human race with him. Therefore, even the youngest child is guilty before God.. so too, the mentally ill or any other classification one might want to throw on a list. If this were not true, then these Bible verses would make no sense at all.


Rom 5:12 Therefore, as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin; and so death passed unto all men, for that all sinned:--
Rom 5:13 for until the law sin was in the world; but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
Rom 5:14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam until Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the likeness of Adam's transgression, who is a figure of him that was to come.

Here are few additional thoughts from John Gill on these verses:

Wherefore as by one man sin entered into the world...
.."by the "one man" is meant Adam the first man, and parent of mankind, who is mentioned by name in Rom_5:14; sin which came by him designs a single sin, and not many, even the first sin of Adam, which goes by different names, as "sin" here, "transgression", Rom_5:14, the "offence" or "fall", Rom_5:15, "disobedience", Rom_5:19, and whatever was the first step or motive to it, which led to it, whether pride, unbelief, or concupiscence, it was finished by eating the forbidden fruit; and is called sin emphatically, because it contained all sin in it, was attended with aggravating circumstances, and followed with dismal consequences. Hence may be learnt the origin of moral evil among men, which comes not from God, but man; of this it is said, that it "entered into the world"; not the world above, there sin entered by the devil; but the world below, and it first entered into paradise, and then passed through the whole world; it entered into men by the snares of Satan, and by him it enters into all the inhabitants of the world; into all men that descend from him by ordinary generation, and that so powerfully that there is no stopping of it. It has entered by him, not by imitation, for it has entered into such as never sinned after the similitude of his transgression, infants, or otherwise death could not have entered into them, and into such who never heard of it, as the Heathens; besides, sin entered as death did, which was not by imitation but imputation, for all men are reckoned dead in Adam, being accounted sinners in him; add to this, that in the same way Christ's righteousness comes upon us, which is by imputation, Adam's sin enters into us, or becomes ours; upon which death follows,"

for that, or because "in him"
all have sinned: all men were naturally and seminally in him; as he was the common parent of mankind, he had all human nature in him, and was also the covenant head, and representative of all his posterity; so that they were in him both naturally and federally, and so "sinned in him"; and fell with him by his first transgression into condemnation and death. The ancient Jews, and some of the modern ones, have said many things agreeably to the apostle's doctrine of original sin; they own the imputation of the guilt of Adam's sin to his posterity to condemnation and death;

 

[GWH]

So testimony is not a valid part of the word of GOD? You are suggesting that Healings that have happen outside of the word of God documentation are not Biblical? Historical context and Narrative to not complement what is recorded in the word of God. Archaeology finding and scientific evidence are not used in proper interpretation of the word of GOD.

Testimony is valid as our witness to GW, but it is not authoritative or normative or inerrant.
I am suggesting that some people seek to prove their faith rather than walk by it.
History, archaeology and science may complement Scripture, and all truth will agree with GW.
Healings may happen; death always happens.

 

[shittim]

So easy to morph, "seek justice, love mercy, and walk humbly with your God", into volumes and volumes of rules we must adhere to or "God won't love us".
Instead of talking ABOUT Him and our relationship with Him, talk TO Him, and seek His guidance and then walk it out.
This obedience takes us from an outward form of godliness to knowing Him as required.
blessings

 

[DavidLamb]

So easy to morph, "seek justice, love mercy, and walk humbly with your God", into volumes and volumes of rules we must adhere to or "God won't love us".
Instead of talking ABOUT Him and our relationship with Him, talk TO Him, and seek His guidance and then walk it out.
This obedience takes us from an outward form of godliness to knowing Him as required.
blessings

When I read your post, I was reminded of this verse written by John to Christians:

“We love Him because He first loved us.” (1Jo 4:19 NKJV)

 

[GWH]

People who claim miracle gifts are still active are still active today.

 

[shittim]

When I read your post, I was reminded of this verse written by John to Christians:

“We love Him because He first loved us.” (1Jo 4:19 NKJV)

Sounds like Holy Spirit gave you this.
blessings

 

[CS1]

a huge topic, year after year! i say NO! 1st Corinthians 13:8 "whether there shall be tongues, they shall cease...." every time i have seen tongues exhibited, it was gibberish, non sense. you could easily discern it too.

learn to read contextually. you can build your position on one verse in 1cor 13:8. You are incorrect.

 

[CS1]

I believe what the current disagreement illustrates is the need to view the New Testament as normative for faith and practice.
Extra-biblical history and personal experiences may be interesting, but they are not to be deemed as equal to Scripture.

Thus, we would do well and perhaps speak more amicably if we all stated our agreement regarding the essential Gospel
and agreed to disagree regarding secondary teachings until we get to heaven and learn whose opinion was closest to correct.

Surely we should be truthseekers and seek to become more loving as long as we live.

your secondary is not what you are saying. Secondary doesn't mean exclusion. and the Essential of the Gospel are

Jesus died, Jesus Buried and Jesus resurrected. That is the foundation of the faith Aal have sinned and Jesus is the only way to heaven.

in that context there is just more to understand such the need to repent, faith, belief, and discipleship. Also the Holy Spirt in the believer and his working through the Body of Christ. Your idea of "Essential" and "secondary" is more of exclusion and abandonment.

 

[CS1]

So testimony is not a valid part of the word of GOD? You are suggesting that Healings that have happen outside of the word of God documentation are not Biblical? Historical context and Narrative to not complement what is recorded in the word of God. Archaeology finding and scientific evidence are not used in proper interpretation of the word of GOD.

in another words faith without works is dead? Or is it faith with only words is dead? how do you demonstrate your faith? which things do we see continuing in church history after chapter 28 of Acts?

• preaching to the lost should that continue based Matthew 28
• water baptism?
• empowering of the Holy Spirit John 14 and 15, John 20:22 Luke 24:49 Acts 1:8
• gifts of the Holy Spirit 1cor chapter 12-14 and Eph 4:11
• discipleship Matthew 28 and mark 16 Acts 4

 

[Karlon]

learn to read contextually. you can build your position on one verse in 1cor 13:8. You are incorrect.

i don't like typing a long time so i pointed that verse out. i know how to read in context. most often, the reader needs to read before & after the subject being conversed on. i usually don't post long answers as i really don't like this sort of thing. but i enjoy the CC format & it's people. in fact, CC is the only site, ever, i'm involved in.

 

[shittim]

i don't like typing a long time so i pointed that verse out. i know how to read in context. most often, the reader needs to read before & after the subject being conversed on. i usually don't post long answers as i really don't like this sort of thing. but i enjoy the CC format & it's people. in fact, CC is the only site, ever, i'm involved in.

Appreciate you, brother!

 

[Karlon]

learn to read contextually. you can build your position on one verse in 1cor 13:8. You are incorrect.

incorrect about what?

 

[Karlon]

Appreciate you, brother!

thank you sir!!!!!! enjoy there God given beautiful day!!!

 

[CS1]

i don't like typing a long time so i pointed that verse out. i know how to read in context. most often, the reader needs to read before & after the subject being conversed on. i usually don't post long answers as i really don't like this sort of thing. but i enjoy the CC format & it's people. in fact, CC is the only site, ever, i'm involved in.

just so you know that 1cor 13:8 by its self is not the full context of the unit chapter which starts in chapter 12 through 14. You used one verse to say the gifts of the Holy Spirit has have ceased. That verse does say that.