There is no biblical evidence that Esau was ever on that remnant list! He was never a spiritual child of promise. He was merely a Jew according to the flesh.
Can We Really Exercise Free Will?
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There is no biblical evidence that Esau was ever on that remnant list! He was never a spiritual child of promise. He was merely a Jew according to the flesh.
The truthful answer, NO! Humanity's "freedom to choose" was stolen by lucifer when he DECEIVED Eve in a way that TOOK AWAY HER FREEDOM TO CHOSE. LUCIFER provided "choices" for her based on LIES! Eve had no frame of reference to deal with lies. Jesus did, however, and He vindicated Adam and Eve.
IOW you fully reject Scripture. And mock it, and misrepresent yourself, and others.
In other words, you are in lock-step with your FWer comrades.
His claim is that he receives more gifts than your [every-day/ordinary] Christian. Either he is a Pharisee, or otherwise why would he not share how this was accomplished to other Christians - so that they also could receive more gifts?
It certainly appears that FWers love the heart they were born with, for it allows them to shamelessly and audaciously parade their pride in themselves, their fellow man and even in Adam for the whole world to see.
Prov 4:23
3 Above all else , guard your heart,
for it is the wellspring of life.
NIV
Whoa! Who would have ever thunk!? How come man's sacred, sacrosanct, inviolable, sovereign volition is not called to be guarded!?
Prov 4:23
3 Above all else , guard your heart,
for it is the wellspring of life.
NIV
Whoa! Who would have ever thunk!? How come man's sacred, sacrosanct, inviolable, sovereign volition is not called to be guarded!?
You are always on a different page.
Prov 4:23
3 Above all else , guard your heart,
for it is the wellspring of life.
NIV
Whoa! Who would have ever thunk!? How come man's sacred, sacrosanct, inviolable, sovereign volition is not called to be guarded!?
Proverbs 4 v 20-23 My son, pay attention to my words; incline your ear to my sayings. Do not lose sight of them; keep them within your heart. For they are life to those who find them, and health to the whole body. Guard your heart with all diligence, for from it flow springs of life.
Most Reformed are Baptist and every Baptist organization i am associated with from Southern, Hardshell, German Baptist, independent are all Reformed and don't believe in the Gifts are modern day active.
I thought you might say that but I am specifically Pentecost like the Day of Pentecost or named after the Jewish Holiday of Pentecost.Wow! And you actually wear that label? And it's not even a biblical one! Talk about megabytes of irony!
At the least, I consider it the ability to wish, and I believe that a wish is synonymous with a hope.
Prov 4:23
3 Above all else , guard your heart,
for it is the wellspring of life.
NIV
Whoa! Who would have ever thunk!? How come man's sacred, sacrosanct, inviolable, sovereign volition is not called to be guarded!?
Just where is it you think the human will resides?
Read all of Deut30 closely and consider the correlation between the human heart and soul and the command to choose life and then what is included in that life one is commanded to choose. Then take that information to Rom10 and see what Paul has in mind when he's referring to it there in regard to believing and confessing the Gospel.
The verse He hated Esau is also in the Bible so it's no assumption.
He certainly didn't create Esau just so He could destroy him for God takes no pleasure in death. God would have to be schizoid to create people solely for their destruction.
If you cannot extrapolate what I think it means from all the conversations we have had, I wonder if you have listened and understood what I have said at all?
Election is about God choosing what to do with those He saves. In the case of Jacob and Esau, it was about from whom would come the nation of Israel. God's desire for Esau to become the father of Israel was spoken of in typical Eastern terms of extremes. "Esau He hated, Jacob he loved" signifies there can be no question as to who Israel is as a nation.
So, this world has at least three SOVEREIGNS in it: Satan, all of Satan's offspring and finally a little sovereignty should get credited to the Creator of this universe, don't you think? Quite an interesting little universe you live in.... Three Sovereigns in one universe. A triunity of sovereigns. Cute...
Your passion for God is to be admired, your lunacy of interpretation is to be shunned.
Have a nice day.
Now the Lord God had formed out of the ground all the wild animals and all the birds in the sky.
He brought them to the man to see what he would name them; and whatever the man called each
living creature, that was its name. So the man gave names to all the livestock, the birds in the sky
and all the wild animals. Genesis 2:18-20
When Adam named all the animals?
It was by his volition that it was accomplished.
God had Adam to name them.
And, whatever Adam named them. So it was.
God did not have Adam to create the animals.
Adam's volition was designated by God to be within certain limitations.
Just as our volition is free to be used within certain limitations.
Where man is born not free (because of the fall of man) is to walk in righteousness,
For we have a defective body that acts like being drunk and wanting to drive a car.
God's grace is given to us as to sober us up.... to make us able to make our choice about God.
Even though given grace, some deliberately choose to crash the car and reject God's drawing.
really? ... she no longer folds the gospel into 1 Cor 2:14??? if true, good for her.
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