Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

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God looking at your entire life spent with him before you where born, means the life your spending with him now. That he decided you where always going to be his
It could be your in a good place right now and you know your safe.

Or it could be your not in a good place right and you don't feal safe.
But he is there you may need to clean up your life to know he's there again or you may need to get over something.
As feeling he's there little may be not enough to know he's always there a lot for you.

It could be the unseen of this world has a hold on you to, but his word says you can break those chains to.
 
Cameron143 said:
You still didn't answer my question about motive. Am I here to stifle revival? This was your claim, right?
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You are not here to stifle ...... You are here to see if what you have accepted as truth can.

TULIP is not the Christian way of life.
The only thing it gets right is the depravity of man.
All the rest, is a product of that depravity getting its way.

Sorry.... anyone who accepts TULIP, does not know yet the true nature of God.
 
cv5 said:
I just put a couple of the terminal/hopeless cases on iggy.
Too far gone.....:rolleyes:

But you know as well as I about the Biblical invectives re: hearing/hardening. So it goes.
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The key is.... they WANT to accept TULIP.
It fits and feels right with their way of thinking.

The Holy Spirit would never allow me to accept it...

As to why?
Who ever invented it had a particular human bent in mind, and knew how to present it,
like all denominational strongholds we find today.
 
Genez said:
You like painting mustaches on other people's work...

That's your sin nature at work.
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Correcting heresies, lies and misrepresentations is all I'm doing. Don't you know that love rejoices with the Truth!?
 
Jordon said:
Ok well there goes our revival
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There will be no revival here.

That would take enough people with positive volition for one to happen.

In the meanwhile, I am collecting data about what some have chosen to accept erroneously, and can be prepared to deal with it
when I find myself under better circumstances.

So, I do not see it as a loss.
Just, preparation.

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Genez said:
You are not here to stifle ...... You are here to see if what you have accepted as truth can.

TULIP is not the Christian way of life.
The only thing it gets right is the depravity of man.
All the rest, is a product of that depravity getting its way.

Sorry.... anyone who accepts TULIP, does not know yet the true nature of God.
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Wrong again, but at least you admitted your error. But then you make it again. While you can assess my behavior, unless you able to discern the thoughts and intentions of my heart, you can only surmise as to my motives.
 
The bread of
Genez said:
There will be no revival here.

That would take enough people with positive volition for one to happen.

In the meanwhile, I am collecting data about what some have chosen to accept erroneously, and can be prepared to deal with it
when I find myself under better circumstances.

So, I do not see it as a loss.
Just, preparation.

.......
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did somebody undermine your faith ?
 
Cameron143 said:
Wrong again, but at least you admitted your error. But then you make it again. While you can assess my behavior, unless you able to discern the thoughts and intentions of my heart, you can only surmise as to my motives.
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Well.... stop acting like, and agreeing with the ones whom I covered.
 
Genez said:
This is how you screw it up.

There is pre-salvation grace.
For even unrepentant flaming homosexuals (even the murderous) were drawn by God's grace - as seen in Romans 1:18-23.

Then, there is post salvation grace, which is then humility dependent.
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You're delusional. The passage above says nothing about God drawing anyone.

Another vile lie! There's nothing in the following passages about "post-salvation" grace. The following passages speak to all mankind in the generic sense. The necessity of humility in order to be saved is a universal spiritual principle in scripture.

Ps 18:27
27 You save the humble
but bring low those whose eyes are haughty.
NIV

Ps 25:9
9 He guides the humble in what is right
and teaches them his way.
NIV

Ps 76:9
9 When God arose to judgment,
To save all the humble of the earth.
NASB

Ps 101:5b
5b ...Whoever has a haughty look and an arrogant heart
I will not endure.
ESV

Ps 147:6
6 The LORD sustains the humble
but casts the wicked to the ground.
NIV

Ps 149:4
4 For the LORD takes delight in his people;
he crowns the humble with salvation.
NIV

Prov 3:34
34 He mocks proud mockers
but gives grace to the humble .
NIV

Prov 6:16-17
16 There are six things the LORD hates,
seven that are detestable to him:
17 haughty eyes,
a lying tongue,
hands that shed innocent blood,
NIV

Luke 1:52
52 He has brought down rulers from their thrones
but has lifted up the humble.
NIV

1 Cor 13:4
4 Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud.
NIV

1 Peter 5:5-7
5 Submit to God, Resist the Devil


Likewise you younger people, submit yourselves to your elders. Yes, all of you be submissive to one another, and be clothed with humility, for

"God resists the proud ,
But gives grace to the humble."

6 Therefore humble yourselves under the mighty hand of God, that He may exalt you in due time, 7 casting all your care upon Him, for He cares for you.
NKJV

James 4:7
6 But He gives more grace. Therefore He says:

"God resists the proud ,
But gives grace to the humble."
NKJV

The grace that God's elect receive is due entirely to their Federal Head who came into this world in a lowly, meek, mild and humble estate. Therefore, God saves only those whom God decreed in Christ in eternity past. God does not save the proud!

Give me one passage of scripture that says that God bestows grace on the wicked, on fools, on the unrighteous, on the immoral, etc. Don't you know that God DETESTS the proud (Prov 16:5)!? LOVE is what moves God to give his precious grace to his chosen ones -- not holy hatred or violent antipathy toward his predestined objects.
 
Rufus said:
You're delusional. The passage above says nothing about God drawing anyone.

Another vile lie! There's nothing in the following passages about "post-salvation" grace. The following passages speak to all mankind in the generic sense. The necessity of humility in order to be saved is a universal spiritual principle in scripture.

Ps 18:27
27 You save the humble
but bring low those whose eyes are haughty.
NIV

Ps 25:9
9 He guides the humble in what is right
and teaches them his way.
NIV

Ps 76:9
9 When God arose to judgment,
To save all the humble of the earth.
NASB

Ps 101:5b
5b ...Whoever has a haughty look and an arrogant heart
I will not endure.
ESV

Ps 147:6
6 The LORD sustains the humble
but casts the wicked to the ground.
NIV

Ps 149:4
4 For the LORD takes delight in his people;
he crowns the humble with salvation.
NIV

Prov 3:34
34 He mocks proud mockers
but gives grace to the humble .
NIV

Prov 6:16-17
16 There are six things the LORD hates,
seven that are detestable to him:
17 haughty eyes,
a lying tongue,
hands that shed innocent blood,
NIV

Luke 1:52
52 He has brought down rulers from their thrones
but has lifted up the humble.
NIV

1 Cor 13:4
4 Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud.
NIV

1 Peter 5:5-7
5 Submit to God, Resist the Devil


Likewise you younger people, submit yourselves to your elders. Yes, all of you be submissive to one another, and be clothed with humility, for

"God resists the proud ,
But gives grace to the humble."

6 Therefore humble yourselves under the mighty hand of God, that He may exalt you in due time, 7 casting all your care upon Him, for He cares for you.
NKJV

James 4:7
6 But He gives more grace. Therefore He says:

"God resists the proud ,
But gives grace to the humble."
NKJV

The grace that God's elect receive is due entirely to their Federal Head who came into this world in a lowly, meek, mild and humble estate. Therefore, God saves only those whom God decreed in Christ in eternity past. God does not save the proud!

Give me one passage of scripture that says that God bestows grace on the wicked, on fools, on the unrighteous, on the immoral, etc. Don't you know that God DETESTS the proud (Prov 16:5)!? LOVE is what moves God to give his precious grace to his chosen ones -- not holy hatred or violent antipathy toward his predestined objects.
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No time for your out of context misunderstandings.

Enjoy your fantasies of power.

next.....
 
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HeIsHere said:
Limited atonement should be enough evidence right there.
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The concept of limited atonement is a sham.

He Himself is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours ​
but also for the sins of the whole world." 1 John 2:2​

Those who are correctable are humble.
The arrogant dig in their heels.

Grace is for the humble.
Disgrace, for the arrogant.

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Jordon said:
do you know all children are born with angels who stare back in the face of God. have you ever seen a good teaching of tulip has the fear of not being alive anymore ever scared you
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Jordon... stop projecting.
 
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