I see it every time says they got baptized and because they did that work they recieved forgiveness of sin and were saved.
they boast in saving themselves. not in God
Am I correct with my understanding of this? Faith in Jesus alone = salvation
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they boast in saving themselves. not in God
If water baptism stands between us and heaven then there is merit for us in accomplishing that act. Either Christ did it all (it is finished) or else we did some of it. These water salvationists can't have it both ways.
they remind me of the circumcision judiazers.
Amazingly. Both these works represent cleansing. and they just do not get it
In other words, you are surmising their intentions and judging their hearts.
Cannot someone sincerely believe that the Bible states that baptism is for the remission of sins?
Why do you insist that their motives are boastful?
Is your insistence that belief in Faith Alone Regeneration Theology as the point of the remission of sins not an act of merit?
No. I just have ti listen to them.
If they do. then they are tryign to merit remmision of sin. Not recieve it because God did the work.
Are you hard of hearing?
If you are claiming you earned something because of a work you did you are boasting.
those are fact..
whetyher you like those fact or not does not matter
My insistence is I am cleaned by the word which was given to me,, I was washed with the washing of water by the word. hence God gets ALL the credit
Not because some man immersed me in tub of water (not of works lest I should boast)
Hey, you want to boast of being baptized. feel free.
Count me out, I will boast in christ. who baptized me himself into Christ,. His death, and his body (rom 6, 1 cor 12 and gal 5)[/QUOTE]
Did I miss the scripture that shows “being baptized is Boasting”? Either for it or against it? Because i didn’t see one.
John's baptism was a baptism of repentance. People being baptized expressed remorse for their sins and called out their sins outloud asking for forgiveness in order to get spiritually clean. Their's is not changing from a state of unbelief to a state of belief or faith.
John also demanded the jewish religious faction show evidence of repentance before he would baptize them.
Where does it say they confessed their sins? and asked for forgiveness?? while being baptized ???
Did I miss the scripture that shows “being baptized is Boasting”? Either for it or against it? Because i didn’t see one.[/QUOTE]
I already showed you scripture where if you claim to be justified by works, you have something to boast about.
That would include any work. Water Baptism,. Getting circumcised, Giving to the poor. Praying without ceasing, etc etc.
If you are doing any work of righteousness as a means of saving yourself. your faith is in that work. not Christ.
Did I miss the scripture that shows “being baptized is Boasting”? Either for it or against it? Because i didn’t see one.[/QUOTE]
According to John the Baptist, it is Jesus who will baptize, not with water like he was, but with the Holy Spirit. According to the great commision, we baptize in the name of the Father (who chooses by granting repentance), in the name of the Son (who erases our sins when you believe in him), and in the name of the Holy Spirit (who acts as a portal through which both Father and Son can enter our beings in order to change our motivation for living from love of self first, to love of God first and all others as self) by preaching (or teaching), not with water. Water baptism was, and is to this day, a Jewish tradition of spiritual cleansing. That is why so many Jews went to John's Baptism.
In Judaism, a ritual bath called a Mikvah is used for purification purposes, such as before holidays, after menstruation, before marriages, for converts to Judaism, before long trips, or before taking office, secular or religious. Water baptism was part of their lives, and the Apostles were all Jews.
Peter urges baptism with water after Cornelius and his household received the Holy Spirit in Acts 10: 48. They believed and received the Holy Spirit. He didn't realize that water baptism was not really essential, but it was still part of Judaism. In the very first counsil held by the Apostles in Jerusalem, they determined that the Jewish tradition of circumcision was not to be applied to Gentiles because of it being a painful experience. They didn't even think about water baptism because it was painless.
I stand corrected,
He still demanded they show evidence of repentance.
John did a baptism of repentance. he baptized people showing they have confessed they repented.
The water baptism and confessing their sins was the evidence of their repentance.
then again, why did he refuse to baptize the pharisees he called a brood of vipers?
That is a silly question. Where in the Bible does it say that you have to breathe in order to survive? A person who repents is in sorrow because of the sins he has committed and turns to God for forgiveness. A repentant person is in a state of remorse.
I know, where in the Bible does it say that.
He questioned their sincerity and that there would be no change in them. That's the definition of repentance, a change of mind and heart that leads to a change of action or direction.
I agree with some of what you say. However,
1) it takes BOTH faith and works to save us which seems to be the reason James uses so many examples of “works.” He used The demons as a negative example—having faith but NO works; he used Abraham and Rahab, as positive examples of how faith and works work together to “JUSTIFY” us.Google says “To “justify” means for Christ to declare a person righteous and acceptable; an act of grace by which He forgives the sins of a believer. “.
The thing that is causing a problem is that you mistakenly think that “works justify our FAITH”. ( this is what you said) but verse 24 says “A MAN IS JUSTIFIED BY WORKS.” It’s not “FAITH IS JUSTIFIED BY WORKS.” ITS “MAN, who is justified by works. That literally says that MAN, is “declared righteous and forgiven of sins” ( Google) by his WORKS. That harmonizes perfectly with verse 22. That “Faith” and “works” work together. And this is the reason I believe in faith plus works equals salvation. ( I can hear the screams now!)
Look carefully at the text in James 2.
it was ABRAHAM that was justified by works—not faith. Abraham was declared righteous and forgiven of his sins BY HIS WORKS.—not faith. By this I mean it is not “faith” that is justified—it’s Abraham, the man who is JUSTIFIED.
It was RAHAB who was declared righteous and forgiven of sins by her WORKS—not her faith.
Verse 24- A. MAN is “declared righteous and forgiven of sins” by his WORKS. It’s not his “faith” that is justified, but the MAN.is justified.
James 2 is literally saying that a MAN is “saved” ( forgiven of sins) by his WORKS.
It is NOT by works ONLY as Verse 22 plainly says it takes BOTH—faith AND works. They work together to save us.
Faith does not have sins; faith does not need to be “declared righteous.” Faith does not need “JUSTIFICATION.” MAN needs justification. And it is MAN who is “justified” by WORKS in James 2–not faith.
Now let’s look at “faith” in verse 22. The Spirit says that “faith” was made “perfect” by works. Google “PERFECT.” It means that “faith” is made “WHOLE, SOUND, HEALTHFUL, HAVING INTEGRITY, COMPLETE, and ENTIRE., by our works.
Honesty is highly valued by God and is necessary to our salvation; having an honest heart allows us to see and ACCEPT the “TRUTH” of God’s word so we can be saved. I honestly believe, with my whole heart, that HERE is what THE HOLY SPIRIT is saying in James 2:14-26.:
1) It takes BOTH “faith” and “works” to be “justified” in the sight if God. Verse 22.
—that means we are not saved by faith
alone, without works.
—that also means we are not saved by
Works alone without faith.
2) MAN is ”justified” , saved, by works—not
works only. Verses 21, 24, 26
3) MAN is “justified by faith—not faith
Only. Verse 24
4) faith is made “perfect” by works. Verse 22
It is made stronger, whole, sound,
Complete and entire” by our works.
The Holy Spirit talks about different subjects in different places in the Bible. EVERY SUBJECT IN THE BIBLE IS NOT DISCUSSED IN ONE PLACE.
IN This chapter the Spirit is talking about “works” and showing how necessary they are to our faith and to our justification before God. It is not primarily talking about how faith is necessary. That is discussed heavily in the book of John. Just because faith is not emphasized in this chapter, does not mean that faith is not important or necessary. It’s just not the subject here. “WORKS” is the primary subject in James 2:14-26. The Holy Spirit is showing us that works are important and necessary, too, along with faith; not only do they make our faith better, they are necessary for man’s justification.
This is exactly what Jesus says in Mark 16:16- “He ( Man) that believes ( faith) and is baptized ( work) shall be saved. Yes, faith is a work of God, John 6:29 and so is baptism a work of God, Col. 2:12. James said it takes BOTH! Jesus said the same thing. It takes BOTH.
God gives us a warning in Revelation 22:19:
“if anyone TAKES AWAY from the words of THE BOOK, God will take away his name from the Book of Life.”
we can ALL be united if we just believe what the Bible says.
Yes.
so the change came first..
John was sent to prepare the hearts of people to receive the messiah.
His baptism was a visual thing to point them to Jesus..
as he said, i baptize with water, but he who comes after he will baptize with the HS
Demons don't have faith. They acknowledge God exists but reject His word. You can't have faith while rejecting the word at the same time for faith comes from the word. Rom.10:17
Genuine faith results in works, that's James' point. They are not an addon. "I will show you my faith by my works". James said works reveal and prove our faith is real, he did not say you have to add them to faith.
You should read James 2 carefully as well for Abraham was declared righteous because he believed God. Jm.2:23 How do we know Abraham believed God? By his works. His works proved his faith was genuine faith and not some pseudo faith of self deception. This is how a man is justified for all to see and not simply in God's sight alone.
James is not teaching one must have faith and works to be justified, he is saying if you have faith, works will come from it. If there are no works, there is no faith. Works will not save you no matter how many you add to your faith.
We are saved by grace through faith. All else is a result of that grace working through faith, whether it is baptism, regeneration, works or unity in the Spirit.
I already showed you scripture where if you claim to be justified by works, you have something to boast about.
That would include any work. Water Baptism,. Getting circumcised, Giving to the poor. Praying without ceasing, etc etc.
If you are doing any work of righteousness as a means of saving yourself. your faith is in that work. not Christ.[/QUOTE]
That is coming from MAN/-not God. God did not say “