Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

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cv5 said:
That is not a gift. That is being shanghaied and pressed into service. Potentially hazardous service.
But as we all know, for the determinist, there are no ***willing*** volunteers.......right?

"Shanghaiing or crimping is the practice of kidnapping people to serve as sailors by coercive techniques such as trickery, intimidation, or violence. Those engaged in this form of kidnapping were known as crimps. "
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More lies! Whoever said that? The crux of the discussion here is whether or not evil human beings, who don't have a scintilla of innate goodness in them, have a libertine style will. Are you a subscriber to Libertinism? :coffee:
 
Jordon said:
explain why you feal the reformed view is being interjected falsely
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Because the foreknown in Romans 8:29-30 and Ephesians 1 are the ancient Hebrew Jews not the modern day Christian. Paul was addressing people of that day not the future.
 
lrs68 said:
Because the foreknown in Romans 8:29-30 and Ephesians 1 are the ancient Hebrew Jews not the modern day Christian. Paul was addressing people of that day not the future.
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well the view of that is that God can predestined people who have fallen.

Which means that is a supernatural power, so whether it's related to just one group or not.

The view of that shouldn't be held more highly than the view that God is only doing for just one group of people.

The view that should be held more highly is the idea that he can and he does
 
lrs68 said:
Is Calvin and Arminius in the Bible?
Why would followers of Jesus discuss Calvin and Arminius?
If it's not Inspired by the Holy Ghost then it's Heretical!
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Most of us aren't discussing them. The FW'ers are accusing us of that even after we've refuted that we are followers of men.
 
Jordon said:
well the view of that is that God can predestined people who have fallen.

Which means that is a supernatural power, so whether it's related to just one group or not.

The view of that shouldn't be held more highly than the view that God is only doing for just one group of people.

The view that should be held more highly is the idea that he can and he does
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That portion is good but some expand and add to it which becomes hearsay.
 
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