The mark of the beast?
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A meditation on what Jesus meant in Mark 2:27, "the sabbath was made for man" generates a sense that the sabbath was made to serve man rather than man was made to serve the sabbath. Especially when I consider that if the subject 'sabbath' with replaced with 'woman' having been made for man, men wouldn't have any problem interpreting it that way.
People's desire to belong causes them to do a lot of irrational things, and it isn't easy to get someone to think independently as long as emotional and familial ties have been established and then grow deeply rooted.
All good points here but let's keep in mind in ancient times the preparation for the sabbath was due to the lack of modern convenience we have today.. running water, heat, food gathering, ect .
Also that the observance of the sabbath was perverted in Jesus day and was a constant debate between him and the pharisees.
So some conclusions that are considered should not point to Jesus ending the observance of the sabbath but that God's intent of the sabbath has been misrepresented and lost through time.
Also that the observance of the sabbath was perverted in Jesus day and was a constant debate between him and the pharisees.
So some conclusions that are considered should not point to Jesus ending the observance of the sabbath but that God's intent of the sabbath has been misrepresented and lost through time.
Sabbath observance is wonderful and fine, but teaching that not doing so is sin, is not. Let every person according to his faith be persuaded in his own mind.
Truly, one decides a day above a day, and one decides every day. Let each have full assurance in his own mind. The one regarding the day, regards it to the Lord; and the one not regarding the day, does not regard it to the Lord. The one eating, eats to the Lord, for he gives thanks to God; and the one not eating, doesn"t eat to the Lord, and he gives thanks to God. Romans 14:5-6
Do you have faith? Have it to yourself before God. Happy is he that doesn't judge himself in what he allows. Romans 14:22
Absolutely, I'm not a advocate for sabbath keepers but those wo have decided to do so should not be frowned upon or discouraged from doing so.
I agree. But there are Sabbath keepers, and there are Sabbath keepers whose mission in life is to convert others to Sabbath keeping. The former I can live with; the latter not so much.
I believe that Adam had the ten commandments as they outline the government of God. Without the law there cannot be a definition of sin:
1Jo 3:4 KJV - 4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
Gen 4:4-8 KJV - 4 And Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof. And the LORD had respect unto Abel and to his offering: 5 But unto Cain and to his offering he had not respect. And Cain was very wroth, and his countenance fell. 6 And the LORD said unto Cain, Why art thou wroth? and why is thy countenance fallen? 7 If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door (this was spoken to Cain by God himself). 8 And Cain talked with Abel his brother: and it came to pass, when they were in the field, that Cain rose up against Abel his brother, and slew him.
Gen 4:8 KJV - 8 And Cain talked with Abel his brother: and it came to pass, when they were in the field, that Cain rose up against Abel his brother, and slew him.Gen 4:9-11 KJV - 9 And the LORD said unto Cain, Where [is] Abel thy brother? And he said, I know not: [Am] I my brother's keeper? 10 And he said, What hast thou done? the voice of thy brother's blood crieth unto me from the ground. 11 And now [art] thou cursed from the earth, which hath opened her mouth to receive thy brother's blood from thy hand;
Heb 11:4 KJV - 4 By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh.
1Jo 3:10-12, 15 KJV - 10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother. 11 For this is the message that ye heard from the beginning, that we should love one another. 12 Not as Cain, [who] was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous. ... 15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.
Cain broke the 6th commandment:
Exo 20:13 KJV - 13 Thou shalt not kill.
There was sin, but there was no law.
For until the law, sin was in the world, but sin was not reckoned, not being law. Romans 5:13
Rather get this info second hand from a biased source why not see the official belief's from the Seventh Day Adventist Church itself.
They believe they are righteous when they practice the Sabbath day.
Which is a contradiction of Christ's righteousness which is a gift, a perfect righteousness, through faith.
One day the second beast will enforce Sunday worship of Jesus, and then you will be sorry.
Losers, Mwhaaaaaa.
Do tell . . .
Here is a small booklet (SDA of course) dealing with this very subject.
https://www.amazingfacts.org/study/free-book/the-beast-who-will-worship-it/
I checked amazing mistakes.
They don't read the text.
Here is an example.
The Bible predicts a time when the beast will gain immense political influence. From this position of authority, he will force people to worship him. Those who refuse will be economically boycotted and eventually sentenced to death. “And he had power to . . . cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed. And he causeth all . . . to receive a mark . . . that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name” (Revelation 13:15-17)
Can you see the mistake?
So many mistakes.
You have the first and second beast who take the stage in the end times.
Then you say the return of Jesus is imminent meaning no further event is necessary for the
return of Jesus.
Have you ever thought about what your saying?
Here's the hint.
Revelation 13:11-14
Then I saw another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb and he spoke as a dragon. He exercises all the authority of the first beast in his presence. And he makes the earth and those who dwell in it to worship the first beast, whose fatal wound was healed. He performs great signs, so that he even makes fire come down out of heaven to the earth in the presence of men. And he deceives those who dwell on the earth because of the signs which it was given him to perform in the presence of the beast, telling those who dwell on the earth to make an image to the beast who *had the wound of the sword and has come to life.
The SDA (Millerites) ignore the text concerning the land beast, the false prophet.
The false prophet directs you to worship the first beast.
The false prophet directs you to receive the mark of the first beast.
The false prophet exercises all the authority of the first beast.
The false prophet is the one who will have you executed for refusing the mark.
Your trying to ignore the power and authority of the false prophet.
The false prophet is singular and not plural and does not refer to prophets.
Your quotation from Revelation 13:15-17 was preceded by the following statement.
The Bible predicts a time when the beast will gain immense political influence. From this position of authority, he will force people to worship him.
That is incorrect because the scripture states the false prophet controls the people. And directs everyone
to worship the "image of the beast". Your contradicting what the scripture directly states.
One thing is certain, you do not understand the book of Revelation.
~~ Let me try this a different Way
"That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. Romans 8:4
"Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law." Romans 3:28
Yes! Absolutely Truth ! … and what matters, to Christ, is of WHICH spirit we walk.
There are ONLY TWO… The Spirit of obedience, which Able had, and the spirit of disobedience, which Cain exemplified. The Spirit before Adam & Eve fell, and the spirit, they adopted by believing Satan. The same two spirits that Israel contended between, till the the end of the 70 Week probationary period, when Jesus came and judged them, desolate of His Spirit. Matt 23:38
Friend ! I’m assuming that you are presuming that you are walking in Christ’s Spirit, our Holy Spirit, having the Righteousness of Christ.
“If ye love me, keep my commandments.” John 14:15
“But why do you call Me ‘Lord, Lord,’ and not do the things which I say? Luke 6:46
“Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.” Matt 7:20
“Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world” 1 John 4:1
“He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.” 1 John 2:4
“And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!“ Matt 7:23
Brethren and sisters, do we believe the word of God, or not? Do we not see the signs fulfilling all around us? Do we realize that we are standing on the verge of eternity, that we have no time to make crooked paths and blundering movements, involving the worth of the soul? When the last call shall be made, Behold the bridegroom cometh; go ye forth to meet him, shall we represent the foolish virgins, who had no oil in their vessels with their lamps? Whatever our line of work, let us remember that we cannot carry it ourselves. Let us be sure that we are making every possible effort to save souls. Self and self-serving has no place now and never had in a true religious experience. Everything we do must be done to the glory of God. Work and pray, and God will cooperate with your efforts....EGW 7MR 148.1
~~Blessing Folks~~
666 May represent 0.666. Mathematically it is 1 divided by 3. Conceptually it is two thirds (2/3). Two thirds is the simplest “majority” majority. Simply put, more people will be doomed to hell than not.
I’ve read that what John saw were the numbers 666. His revelation was visual. He saw most of those things. It just so happens that Muslims wear the symbol of Islam on the inside of their sleeves at the wrist and inside their heads coverings at their forehead. The symbol of Islam looks like 666… so I’ve read.
I’ve read that what John saw were the numbers 666. His revelation was visual. He saw most of those things. It just so happens that Muslims wear the symbol of Islam on the inside of their sleeves at the wrist and inside their heads coverings at their forehead. The symbol of Islam looks like 666… so I’ve read.
Adventists believe that the mark of the beast, as mentioned in Revelation, is related to Sunday worship. The "mark of the beast" is connected to the institution of Sunday observance, which is a man-made institution that contradicts the fourth commandment, the Sabbath of the Lord. This is the conflict between those who keep the commandments of God, including the observance of the seventh-day Sabbath, and those who will ultimately worship the beast and receive his mark, which is linked to Sunday observance enforced by both church and state .
This issue, will become a major test of loyalty to God's commandments, especially as laws are enacted to enforce Sunday worship, which will conflict with the biblical Sabbath. This scenario is part of the last great crisis in Earth's history, where believers must choose between following God’s law or yielding to the pressures of false worship .