The mark of the beast?

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Not for salvation your not.

The law was given to covenant Israel and the law was never given to the Gentiles.

We are saved by grace through faith (Ephesians 2:8) and not by any additional form of legalism.

Nor are Gentile Christians expected to obey any law except to love others as Christ has loved us.

I keep the commandments of God, but I didn't say I follow the letter. The commandments are kept in those who walk according to the spirit
 
I am not a dispensationalist (in regards to the millennial age) but I believe when the redemption is finally achieved in the Father's time (not man's), I believe that the internet will be so obsolete that we will not even look back upon it either fondly or otherwise.

We will be unlimited by space or time:
Mat 22:30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven. 31 But as touching the resurrection of the dead, have ye not read that which was spoken unto you by God, saying, 32 I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.

1Co 2:9 KJV - 9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.

1Co 13:12 KJV - 12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.


In His glory, I shall see the King,
And forever endless praises sing;
‘Twas on Calvary Jesus died for me;
I shall see the King someday.
(I Shall See the King William C. Poole)

Rev 22:1-5 KJV - 1 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb. 2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, [was there] the tree of life, which bare twelve [manner of] fruits, [and] yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree [were] for the healing of the nations. 3 And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him: 4 And they shall see his face; and his name [shall be] in their foreheads. 5 And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever.

Do you believe the following verse you quoted is applied to the return of Jesus?

1Co 13:12 KJV - 12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.

Some folk interpret that verse as the arrival of the canon of scripture.
 
The Papacy says that it is by her authority that she has changed the solemnity of the 7th Day Sabbath to Sunday = "Her MARK of authority."

When the world legislates law, AGAINST God's LAW, those "Professed Christian's" who adhere to the World and the authority of the Popes / Papacy, Antichrist, ( the man of lawlessness, 2 Thessalonians 2:1–12) will take the MARK of the Beast's ( the Papacy ) authority, rather than God's sign of authority, the Seventh Day Sabbath.

Which is why I am a Commandment keeping, Sabbath Keeper Rev 14:12 ... Adhering and keeping / obeying God's Law .. His Character, rather than the character of disobedience of the World / Catholic Church doctrine / the Papacy, the Beast of Rev 13

Blessed Day Folks

I thought the SDA taught that the mark of the beast was Sunday worship?
 
I don't think AI agrees with your interpretation regarding the law.


ChatGPT said:

The Seventh-day Adventist (SDA) Church, while generally considered a Christian denomination, emphasizes some distinctive theological positions that differ from mainstream Christian teachings. If we were to evaluate their doctrines in light of law, grace, and faith (central themes of the New Testament), a key area of theological contention lies in their interpretation and application of the Mosaic Law, particularly the Sabbath commandment, and how they understand salvation.
Here’s a breakdown of what could be considered a primary error, based on the themes you mentioned:


1. Misapplication of the Mosaic Law (Sabbath Observance)
  • SDA Belief: The Adventists maintain that the observance of the seventh-day Sabbath (Saturday) is a perpetual, universal commandment binding on all believers, both Jews and Gentiles. They argue that this law is a central part of Christian obedience to God.
  • New Testament Perspective:
    • Paul teaches that Christ fulfilled the Law (Matthew 5:17) and that believers are no longer under the Mosaic Covenant but under the New Covenant (Romans 7:6; Galatians 3:23-25). He explicitly states that observing days, months, and festivals is not a requirement for salvation (Colossians 2:16-17).
    • Sabbath observance, while significant in the Old Testament for Israel, is not mandated for Gentile Christians. Instead, the New Testament emphasizes that Jesus is our "Sabbath rest" (Hebrews 4:9-10), inviting believers into a spiritual rest by trusting in His finished work.
  • The Mistake: The SDA Church conflates the ceremonial aspects of the Mosaic Law (including the Sabbath) with moral law, treating it as universally binding rather than recognizing its fulfillment in Christ.
2. Overemphasis on Law Observance and the Investigative Judgment
  • SDA Belief: The SDA doctrine of the Investigative Judgment teaches that Christ began a heavenly judgment phase in 1844, where the lives of believers are reviewed to determine their faithfulness. While they affirm salvation by grace, their emphasis on this process can create the impression that works are necessary to maintain salvation.
  • New Testament Perspective:
    • Salvation is by grace through faith alone (Ephesians 2:8-9). Works are a result of salvation, not a means to secure it (Titus 3:5; Romans 4:4-5). The assurance of salvation is rooted in Christ’s completed work on the cross (John 19:30), not in a believer’s ability to pass an investigative judgment.
    • Paul rebuked the Galatians for adding works of the law to faith, calling it "another gospel" (Galatians 1:6-9; Galatians 3:1-3).
  • The Mistake: This doctrine risks undermining the sufficiency of Christ’s atonement, suggesting that something more than His grace is required for final salvation.
3. Confusion Regarding Jew, Gentile, and the Church
  • SDA Belief: By emphasizing the Old Testament law, the SDA Church sometimes blurs the distinction between Israel and the Church, implying that Gentile believers are required to adopt practices given specifically to Israel.
  • New Testament Perspective:
    • The Mosaic Law was given to Israel as a covenant (Deuteronomy 5:2-3). Gentile believers are grafted into the promises of God by faith, not by adherence to the Law of Moses (Romans 11:17-21).
    • In Acts 15, the Jerusalem Council determined that Gentile believers were not required to follow the Mosaic Law, including Sabbath observance, circumcision, or dietary restrictions.
  • The Mistake: The SDA Church misreads the New Testament by failing to fully embrace the freedom of Gentile believers in Christ apart from the Mosaic Covenant (Galatians 5:1).
4. Legalism vs. Grace
  • SDA Belief: Although Adventists affirm salvation by grace, their emphasis on Sabbath-keeping and other distinct practices can lead to a perception of legalism, where outward adherence overshadows inward transformation.
  • New Testament Perspective:
    • Legalism is incompatible with the Gospel (Galatians 2:16; Romans 3:28). Believers are justified by faith apart from the works of the Law.
    • True obedience flows from a transformed heart, empowered by the Holy Spirit (Romans 8:1-4), not adherence to the letter of the Law.
Summary
The primary error of the Seventh-day Adventist Church lies in its overemphasis on the Mosaic Law—particularly the Sabbath commandment—and its misunderstanding of the relationship between law, grace, and faith under the New Covenant. By elevating certain Old Testament practices as essential for salvation, they risk obscuring the sufficiency of Christ’s finished work and the freedom believers have in Him.
Would you like a deeper dive into any specific doctrine or passage?

Could you post the query that you presented to the AI? It would be interesting to see answers from a different source.
 
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I'm a commandment-keeper too and I don't observe a weekly sabbath
Seems to me that you are contradicting yourself.
"For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all." James 2:10

Hum ! Not keeping the 4th Commandment, the 7th Day Sabbath = SIN .. Yet you think you are keeping the 10 Commandments.
I don't think Scripture agrees with you, Friend.
 
Seems to me that you are contradicting yourself.
"For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all." James 2:10

Hum ! Not keeping the 4th Commandment, the 7th Day Sabbath = SIN .. Yet you think you are keeping the 10 Commandments.
I don't think Scripture agrees with you, Friend.

You just don't believe what the whole bible says, which is that those who walk in the spirit through faith accomplish all of the righteousness of the law. You stumble at the stumbling stone and rock of offense.
 
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I am not a dispensationalist (in regards to the millennial age) but I believe when the redemption is finally achieved in the Father's time (not man's), I believe that the internet will be so obsolete that we will not even look back upon it either fondly or otherwise.

We will be unlimited by space or time:
Mat 22:30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven. 31 But as touching the resurrection of the dead, have ye not read that which was spoken unto you by God, saying, 32 I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.

1Co 2:9 KJV - 9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.

1Co 13:12 KJV - 12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.


In His glory, I shall see the King,
And forever endless praises sing;
‘Twas on Calvary Jesus died for me;
I shall see the King someday.
(I Shall See the King William C. Poole)

Rev 22:1-5 KJV - 1 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb. 2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, [was there] the tree of life, which bare twelve [manner of] fruits, [and] yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree [were] for the healing of the nations. 3 And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him: 4 And they shall see his face; and his name [shall be] in their foreheads. 5 And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever.


The thing is, in the Millennial age, there will still be mortal people. I'm thinking of them, not us.


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Could you post the query that you presented to the AI? It would be interesting to see answers from a different source.
Yes ! I would like to see the "prompt engineering" rrcn presented to AI. It ALL depends on the wording of the "question" AND which Large Language Model is used ... I don't use corrupted "worldly" LLMs, especially ChatGPT, which is run by Microsoft's OpenAI,

I haven't done it, myself, but investigators say that CHATGPT is the worse for presenting, " The New World Order's" progressive, God hating doctrines, ChatGPT will answer, "Yes, a little boys CAN BE a girl, IF they identify as a girl. .. OR that the CO19 Vaxxx is "safe and effective" and other such BS.
I don't think AI agrees with your interpretation regarding the law. ChatGPT said:
I'm sure I could get the same sort of response from an AI engine, if I were to prompt it, like: " According to Catholic doctrine" or According to dispensationlist doctrine, how are Adventist beliefs relationally in error?"
You have to consider the source...

I don't have time right now to "argue" with rrcn about what he has gotten an AI engine to say. There so much fallacy in that ChatGPT, response. I'm not going to get bogged down, in a debate .. I'll just keep present Biblical Truth and let the Holy Spirit do the convicting.

I just care about the Truth of Jesus, and following Him, His Way rather than the way of the world, which is lies and deception.

Bottom line; Isaiah 8: 20 "To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them." ( ... and the "light" spoken of, is the Spirit of Christ, the Holy Spirit ) No wonder people are unable to grasp the Righteousness of Christ, or understand The Truth, The Way, The Life. Without having divine guidance.
Blessed Sabbath, Y'all
 
I keep the commandments of God, but I didn't say I follow the letter. The commandments are kept in those who walk according to the spirit
That's interesting ! I know the Commandments of Exo 20, ... but what is "the letter" that you don't follow? Can you give a Chapt & verse?

I agree, that the commandments will be kept by those who walk according to the Holy Spirit, ( the Spirit of Christ and His Righteousness) but that means that you'd be keeping God's 7th Day Sabbath commandment as Jesus did, but didn't you say you don't keep Sabbath .. Huh?

This brings up a disturbing situation. Many people here in the CC, believe they are Christian, but don't believe Jesus, nor follow His lead, His Example. ... eg. Jesus kept His Father's Sabbath, and said, that IF we love Him, keep His commandments, = Love God = the 1st 4 Commandments and Love our neighbors, = the last 6 commandments. Mark 22: 37 & Exo 20... Which is exactly how Jesus lived His life, being our example of Righteousness = ( being the Truth and the Right Way to act / to live, to be able to have Life)... Which is our ONLY means to/of Salvation .. Our living, The Way, The Truth, to The Life.
 
That's interesting ! I know the Commandments of Exo 20, ... but what is "the letter" that you don't follow? Can you give a Chapt & verse?

I agree, that the commandments will be kept by those who walk according to the Holy Spirit, ( the Spirit of Christ and His Righteousness) but that means that you'd be keeping God's 7th Day Sabbath commandment as Jesus did, but didn't you say you don't keep Sabbath .. Huh?

This brings up a disturbing situation. Many people here in the CC, believe they are Christian, but don't believe Jesus, nor follow His lead, His Example. ... eg. Jesus kept His Father's Sabbath, and said, that IF we love Him, keep His commandments, = Love God = the 1st 4 Commandments and Love our neighbors, = the last 6 commandments. Mark 22: 37 & Exo 20... Which is exactly how Jesus lived His life, being our example of Righteousness = ( being the Truth and the Right Way to act / to live, to be able to have Life)... Which is our ONLY means to/of Salvation .. Our living, The Way, The Truth, to The Life.

The letter is the law of Moses, ie, the letters written on stone, or animal skin or whatever. The purpose of the 4th commandment was for Israel to know on a weekly basis that God was the one sanctifying them.

Moreover also I gave them my sabbaths, to be a sign between me and them, that they might know that I [am] the LORD that sanctify them. Ezekiel 20:12
We, unlike them, have the indwelling holy spirit that sanctifies us every moment. Therefore, those who walk by faith knowing that God is sanctifying them fulfill the purpose and righteousness of the 4th commandment apart from observing its letters.

So the purpose of the 4th commandment is not to not do any work, or follow a commandment, but to know that God is sanctifying us. That can be done without having to take Saturdays off.
 
That's interesting ! I know the Commandments of Exo 20, ... but what is "the letter" that you don't follow? Can you give a Chapt & verse?

I agree, that the commandments will be kept by those who walk according to the Holy Spirit, ( the Spirit of Christ and His Righteousness) but that means that you'd be keeping God's 7th Day Sabbath commandment as Jesus did, but didn't you say you don't keep Sabbath .. Huh?

This brings up a disturbing situation. Many people here in the CC, believe they are Christian, but don't believe Jesus, nor follow His lead, His Example. ... eg. Jesus kept His Father's Sabbath, and said, that IF we love Him, keep His commandments, = Love God = the 1st 4 Commandments and Love our neighbors, = the last 6 commandments. Mark 22: 37 & Exo 20... Which is exactly how Jesus lived His life, being our example of Righteousness = ( being the Truth and the Right Way to act / to live, to be able to have Life)... Which is our ONLY means to/of Salvation .. Our living, The Way, The Truth, to The Life.

Christianity is seven days and nights a week being led by the Holy Spirit.

Not one holy day a week.

The Romans empire never had a day off until 321 AD.

Constantine legislated Sunday as a day of rest in 321 AD.

The Jews had a day free from work which was their Sabbath.

The USA never had Saturday free from work, that is, until Henry Ford, the first industrialist. That allowed
his employees to take the weekend off. That was as late as 1920 in the US.

So the idea that people in most countries from 321 AD to the twentieth century. Could take
the weekend off and go to church on Saturday. Is absolutely wrong.
 
This will be an interesting topic to explore, which I haven't done yet, but just looking quickly, in Revelation 13:1 and 13;7 the beast is described as it (αυτω), ie, neuter gender. This shows how retarded AI is. It's not even capable of looking at the original text to determine what is true, but just scrapes the internet for what other people are saying.
So true brother. Sad that a lot of PASTORS are doing their sermons and research on AI, replacing the Holy Spirit with satan's AI.
 
Yes ! I would like to see the "prompt engineering" rrcn presented to AI. It ALL depends on the wording of the "question" AND which Large Language Model is used ... I don't use corrupted "worldly" LLMs, especially ChatGPT, which is run by Microsoft's OpenAI,

I haven't done it, myself, but investigators say that CHATGPT is the worse for presenting, " The New World Order's" progressive, God hating doctrines, ChatGPT will answer, "Yes, a little boys CAN BE a girl, IF they identify as a girl. .. OR that the CO19 Vaxxx is "safe and effective" and other such BS.

I'm sure I could get the same sort of response from an AI engine, if I were to prompt it, like: " According to Catholic doctrine" or According to dispensationlist doctrine, how are Adventist beliefs relationally in error?"
You have to consider the source...

I don't have time right now to "argue" with rrcn about what he has gotten an AI engine to say. There so much fallacy in that ChatGPT, response. I'm not going to get bogged down, in a debate .. I'll just keep present Biblical Truth and let the Holy Spirit do the convicting.

I just care about the Truth of Jesus, and following Him, His Way rather than the way of the world, which is lies and deception.

Bottom line; Isaiah 8: 20 "To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them." ( ... and the "light" spoken of, is the Spirit of Christ, the Holy Spirit ) No wonder people are unable to grasp the Righteousness of Christ, or understand The Truth, The Way, The Life. Without having divine guidance.
Blessed Sabbath, Y'all
Please carefully reread what I posted, I wasn’t the person who consulted an AI. If I had the exact wording of the query it would be possible to submit to multiple different AI configurations, not just “ the witch of Endor” version.
 
Do you believe the following verse you quoted is applied to the return of Jesus?

1Co 13:12 KJV - 12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.

Some folk interpret that verse as the arrival of the canon of scripture.

I believe you are referring to a different text:
[Jas 1:23 KJV] 23 For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass:

I believe Paul was referencing Exodus 33:22 and maybe Isaiah here, though there are a few more references.
[Exo 33:20 KJV] 20 And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live.

[Isa 6:5-7 KJV] 5 Then said I, Woe [is] me! for I am undone; because I [am] a man of unclean lips, and I dwell in the midst of a people of unclean lips: for mine eyes have seen the King, the LORD of hosts. 6 Then flew one of the seraphims unto me, having a live coal in his hand, [which] he had taken with the tongs from off the altar: 7 And he laid [it] upon my mouth, and said, Lo, this hath touched thy lips; and thine iniquity is taken away, and thy sin purged.
 
The letter is the law of Moses, ie, the letters written on stone, or animal skin or whatever. The purpose of the 4th commandment was for Israel to know on a weekly basis that God was the one sanctifying them.

Moreover also I gave them my sabbaths, to be a sign between me and them, that they might know that I [am] the LORD that sanctify them. Ezekiel 20:12
We, unlike them, have the indwelling holy spirit that sanctifies us every moment. Therefore, those who walk by faith knowing that God is sanctifying them fulfill the purpose and righteousness of the 4th commandment apart from observing its letters.

So the purpose of the 4th commandment is not to not do any work, or follow a commandment, but to know that God is sanctifying us. That can be done without having to take Saturdays off.

The Sabbath was created by God on creation week, after he had completed the creation in the first six days he rested on the Sabbath. The day of worship from creation was the Holy Sabbath. No Jews existed.

[Gen 2:1-3 KJV] 1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. 2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. 3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

John identifies the creator as Jesus:
[Jhn 1:1-3 KJV] 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Jesus confirmed this:

[Mat 12:8 KJV] 8 For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.
[Mar 2:28 KJV] 28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.
[Luk 6:5 KJV] 5 And he said unto them, That the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.

The Catholic Church brags about their power to change God’ Holy day to a day of worship of the sun god.
https://www.catholic.com/magazine/print-edition/from-sabbath-to-sunday
 
The Sabbath was created by God on creation week, after he had completed the creation in the first six days he rested on the Sabbath. The day of worship from creation was the Holy Sabbath. No Jews existed.

[Gen 2:1-3 KJV] 1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. 2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. 3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

John identifies the creator as Jesus:
[Jhn 1:1-3 KJV] 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Jesus confirmed this:

[Mat 12:8 KJV] 8 For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.
[Mar 2:28 KJV] 28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.
[Luk 6:5 KJV] 5 And he said unto them, That the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.

The Catholic Church brags about their power to change God’ Holy day to a day of worship of the sun god.
https://www.catholic.com/magazine/print-edition/from-sabbath-to-sunday

A wonderful post but the fact is that the Sabbath commandment appeared in Exodus 20.

The Sabbath commandment is the law.

Gentiles were never under that law.

Covenant Israel had the Sabbath commandment and that was federal law in Israel.

Galatians 5:2
Behold I, Paul, say to you that if you receive circumcision, Christ will be of no benefit to you.
And I testify again to every man who receives circumcision, that he is under obligation to keep the whole Law.
You have been severed from Christ, you who are seeking to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.

Who taught you that you were under the law?
 
A wonderful post but the fact is that the Sabbath commandment appeared in Exodus 20.

The Sabbath commandment is the law.

Gentiles were never under that law.

Covenant Israel had the Sabbath commandment and that was federal law in Israel.

Galatians 5:2
Behold I, Paul, say to you that if you receive circumcision, Christ will be of no benefit to you.
And I testify again to every man who receives circumcision, that he is under obligation to keep the whole Law.
You have been severed from Christ, you who are seeking to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.

Who taught you that you were under the law?
You and I don’t study the Bible the same, that is where I learned the things I believe.
 
The Sabbath was created by God on creation week, after he had completed the creation in the first six days he rested on the Sabbath. The day of worship from creation was the Holy Sabbath. No Jews existed.

[Gen 2:1-3 KJV] 1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. 2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. 3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

John identifies the creator as Jesus:
[Jhn 1:1-3 KJV] 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Jesus confirmed this:

[Mat 12:8 KJV] 8 For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.
[Mar 2:28 KJV] 28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.
[Luk 6:5 KJV] 5 And he said unto them, That the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.

The Catholic Church brags about their power to change God’ Holy day to a day of worship of the sun god.
https://www.catholic.com/magazine/print-edition/from-sabbath-to-sunday

The creation sabbath is not the weekly sabbath. God rested from his works on the the 7th "day" of creation and still is resting from it. He has never stopped resting from his 6 "days" of work creating heaven and earth because what he did was perfect; there was nothing else he could do; so he is resting from his work which glorifies his perfection.

The weekly sabbaths were a sign between Israel and God of his ongoing work of creating a new heavens and earth.

So completely different sabbaths