Words from the "Old Testament" that are no longer valid.....

[posthuman]

Even though our declaration and money all are inscribed as such.

since 1956.

Hollands currency says "God be with us" on it i guess the OT is actually about the Dutch maybe?

your under the same covenant as Israel

really? Sinai?

who is the american Levite, and where is the temple? did God set Lewis and Clark on a mountain and say everywhere they set foot would be the inheritance of their children?

 

[posthuman]

The people who think the US has taken Israel's place is filled with pride & arrogance, as well as false patriotism

let's be thankful in all things. isn't it good that americans are just as vainly misguided as ever?

repeatability in a process is a desirable trait

 

[TruthDefender]

That doesn't compute. God has but one chosen people and they do not live on this continent. The USA is not God's chosen people. God is not in covenant with the US. Individually of course but that's all. Every promise in the OT is not for every person on earth. That is a conclusion that is not found in scripture but is taught in some circles.

Wow, if God’s chosen people are not on this continent, Christianity must be void!?
You are judging a whole country full of people! Are you God, the Judge??

What an arrogant comment!! Who makes you Judge and jury over millions of people??

 

[God-fearing]

since 1956.

Hollands currency says "God be with us" on it i guess the OT is actually about the Dutch maybe?




really? Sinai?

who is the american Levite, and where is the temple? did God set Lewis and Clark on a mountain and say everywhere they set foot would be the inheritance of their children?[/QUOTE

news flash...

The new covenant is to us and Israel we are covered under the new.

 

[God-fearing]

U. S. CURRENCY SAYS....IN GOD WE TRUST

 

[Edify]

U. S. CURRENCY SAYS....IN GOD WE TRUST

That's the problem... That could mean anybody. It should read, IN CHRIST WE TRUST.

 

[God-fearing]

Another one? My profile is not your business. If you think that your judgement on my having it so equals the possibility that I am not a Chrisitan, that is some strange bias on your part. Your emotions do not equal the facts or the truth. This nation is not a Christian nation nor is it in covenant with God. Take care your disrespectful judgement does not involve saying things about others that you do not know. Your opinions are that and only that; just your opinions.

If you actually had 'proof' of what you say you believe, you would not have made comments about me personally.

The reason why I posted the status of your profile is because I have had several debates with people on basic known topics un like what we are talking here. Easy 101 topics. Each person and I mean it to be several had the same thing....hidden profile. Each at my discernment replied with a carnal more media driven response rather than a biblical argument.
Contrary to my now profile I have been here for years and know many in this forum. It seems very suspicious to me that most of the attacks I see on others as well as myself have the same restrictions on there profiles.

Just a observation......I am not calling you out personally but in todays world just letting it be known.

 

[TruthDefender]

Oh I will, and here we have another profile person who guards any info. To me and just my opinion its like wearing a mask.
If you are even a Christian did you ever consider your under the same covenant as Israel is today.
That yet again our identity as a founded Christian nation is under scrutiny just as Israel's identity s under scrutiny.
Even though our declaration and money all are inscribed as such.
Now how's that for a duel progression. I believe that the attack on "let's change history" tear down monuments renaming them let's rewrite history to our liking has had a great deal of effect on so many discussions its become a cornerstone of lies.

Are you saying that we Christians are under

That's the problem... That could mean anybody. It should read, IN CHRIST WE TRUST.

Jesus is God! He is part of the Godhead/ Trinity.

 

[God-fearing]

That's the problem... That could mean anybody. It should read, IN CHRIST WE TRUST.

36% of our constitution is from the Torah, guess who wrote that.

 

[posthuman]

The new covenant is to us and Israel we are covered under the new.

so you admit,
that's in no way at all specific to america

 

[posthuman]

36% of our constitution is from the Torah, guess who wrote that.

let's see your data on that

 

[posthuman]

U. S. CURRENCY SAYS....IN GOD WE TRUST

lots of countries have currency that says something similar. so what?

writing "god" on your money doesn't make the LORD forsake Israel and replace them with you.

 

[posthuman]

if God’s chosen people are not on this continent, Christianity must be void!?

it seems to me he is saying Israel are God's chosen people, as scripture says.

Romans 11:17-21​

And if some of the branches were broken off, and you, being a wild olive tree, were grafted in among them, and with them became a partaker of the root and fatness of the olive tree, do not boast against the branches. But if you do boast, [remember that] you do not support the root, but the root [supports] you. You will say then, "Branches were broken off that I might be grafted in." Well [said.] Because of unbelief they were broken off, and you stand by faith. Do not be haughty, but fear. For if God did not spare the natural branches, He may not spare you either.​

​

do we read this and think, oh, people who immigrate to america are clearly who Paul meant by the wild olive branches?

of course we don't. that would be crazy talk.

 

[Magenta]

There is another First Testament concept called "Hardened Hearts". Pharaoh, King Hezekiah, Israel/Ephraim and Judah all learned the real meaning of those words. Is it not worth our time to consider them now or has that too been made obsolete?

God still needs to replace the hearts made of stone we were born with... for with the heart, one believes.

Philippians 3 verse 3; Colossians 2 verse 11; Romans 2 verse 29b ~ For it is we who are the circumcision, we who worship by the Spirit of God, who glory in Christ Jesus, and who put no confidence in the flesh. You were also circumcised, in the putting off of your sinful nature, with the circumcision performed by Christ and not by human hands. Circumcision is a matter of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the written code.

 

[God-fearing]

lots of countries have currency that says something similar. so what?

writing "god" on your money doesn't make the LORD forsake Israel and replace them with you.

I detest replacement theology, I detest counterfeit Israel. The teaching of both is demonic.

 

[God-fearing]

God still needs to replace the hearts made of stone we were born with... for with the heart, one believes.

Philippians 3 verse 3; Colossians 2 verse 11; Romans 2 verse 29b ~ For it is we who are the circumcision, we who worship by the Spirit of God, who glory in Christ Jesus, and who put no confidence in the flesh. You were also circumcised, in the putting off of your sinful nature, with the circumcision performed by Christ and not by human hands. Circumcision is a matter of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the written code.

Ezk 11:19 And I will give them a new heart, and I will put a new spirit in them; and I will take the heart of stone out of their flesh and give them a heart of flesh:

Ezk 11:20 So that they may be guided by my rules and keep my orders and do them: and they will be to me a people, and I will be to them a God.

Ezk 11:21 But as for those whose heart goes after their hated and disgusting things, I will send on their heads the punishment of their ways, says the Lord.

 

[God-fearing]

I think we got away from the o.p.s intent of this thread. My apologies please continue

 

[pinebeach]

The reason why I posted the status of your profile is because I have had several debates with people on basic known topics un like what we are talking here. Easy 101 topics. Each person and I mean it to be several had the same thing....hidden profile. Each at my discernment replied with a carnal more media driven response rather than a biblical argument.
Contrary to my now profile I have been here for years and know many in this forum. It seems very suspicious to me that most of the attacks I see on others as well as myself have the same restrictions on there profiles.

Just a observation......I am not calling you out personally but in todays world just letting it be known.

My observation is that you seem to think you are the police. This is not my first profile here either (you would not know that of course) and I have pretty much had enough of people sending pms that I don't want or saying things in a pm they would not say in the forum and so on so I made my profile private. But you did call me out 'personally'.

I find asking questions rather than assuming things usually will enable a better outcome.
You might think about the fact that the owner of the forum has allowed the option to make a profile hidden, so if a person takes advantage of that, we should respect that and not judge the person who did that. FYI, I was already accused of a few things because my profile is now private, by long time members here and that was when I first came back.

 

[Daisy2]

Any verse in the bible can be use for the Lord to talk to us so yes the old testament is also relevant even today. I think people that keep things purely in context often have little faith that all things are possible with God.

 

[pinebeach]

Wow, if God’s chosen people are not on this continent, Christianity must be void!?
You are judging a whole country full of people! Are you God, the Judge??

What an arrogant comment!! Who makes you Judge and jury over millions of people??

Take a chill pill. Your assertions are ridiculous but also, sadly, indicative of really bad comprehension and the knee jerk reaction of coming out swinging with false accusations and poor judgement. Therefore, I will answer you in a numerical fashion and hope you take a deep breath and comprehend what I say.

1. God's 'chosen' people are the Jews. Read the Old Testament and avail yourself of understaning the different covenants God made.
They go by different names.

God made eight binding covenants that are recorded in the Bible. Five of them He made with Israel. Four are unconditional: the Abrahamic (Gen. 12:1–7), Land (13:14–17; Dt. 29:1—30:20), Davidic (2 Sam. 7:1–17), and New Covenants (Jer. 31:31–34). The fifth, commonly called the Mosaic or Old Covenant (Ex. 19:5ff), was conditional.
In the four unconditional covenants, Israel was not obligated to do anything. God did everything. For example, when God made the Abrahamic Covenant, Abraham was an inactive party. God said, “I will show you . . . I will make you . . . I will bless you . . . I will bless those who bless you . . . I will curse him who curses you” (Gen. 12:1–3, emphasis added link

2. God has not made a covenant with the US. Believers in this country and all around the world (Gentiles) are in a new covenant.

The New Covenant is the promise that God will forgive sin and restore fellowship with those whose hearts are turned toward Him. Jesus Christ is the mediator of the New Covenant, and His death on the cross is the basis of the promise (Luke 22:20). The New Covenant was predicted while the Old Covenant was still in effect—the prophets Moses, Jeremiah, and Ezekiel all allude to the New Covenant.
We are no longer under the Law but under grace (Romans 6:14–15). The Old Covenant has served its purpose, and it has been replaced by “a better covenant” (Hebrews 7:22). “In fact the ministry Jesus has received is as superior to theirs as the covenant of which he is mediator is superior to the old one, since the new covenant is established on better promises” (Hebrews 8:6).

Under the New Covenant, we are given the opportunity to receive salvation as a free gift (Ephesians 2:8–9). Our responsibility is to exercise faith in Christ, the One who fulfilled the Law on our behalf and brought an end to the Law’s sacrifices through His own sacrificial death. Through the life-giving Holy Spirit who lives in all believers (Romans 8:9–11), we share in the inheritance of Christ and enjoy a permanent, unbroken relationship with God (Hebrews 9:15). link

I would suggest you read the entire article on 'Got Questions' because it is straightforward, contains all scripture references and is helpful in understanding the covenants in scripture.
https://www.gotquestions.org/new-covenant.html
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