Sure, God can use anything. But this doesn't mean He always employs this means, or does so regularly. What we do know is that He employs it to hold man accountable and without excuse.
Can We Really Exercise Free Will?
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if you didn't believe the truth, you suppressed the truth ... otherwise you would have received the promise.
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That "teaching" that takes place is not being told to not do something, and told to do something else.
It is a not a teacher-student arrangement.
My pastor taught Titus 2:11-12 to us from the Greek. He showed something that reading a translation for yourself would leave you without a clue.
That word translated "teaching' has a particular meaning.
It means to be taught a lesson by allowing someone to do something wrong.
To do something wrong so he would get hurt by doing it.
It is the hurting that teaches us to say "No!"
It is why we can see a wild generation growing up, and turning to marriage. Where before, everyone was wild with free sex.
They got terribly hurt from their sinning. Grace was there to give them the needed strength for the conviction to say "No!"
It is for all men. Not just the elect.
Not so. I just disregarded it. I didn't try to keep it from my consciousness.
It took the entire post to address just that one sentence.
Now you are looking for an out to excuse yourself from the dialogue?
Until that one sentence was addressed it would make no sense to continue.
1 Corinthians 1 v 20-25 Where is the wise man? Where is the scribe? Where is the philosopher of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not know Him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe. Jews demand signs and Greeks search for wisdom, but we preach Christ crucified, a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles, but to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. For the foolishness of God is wiser than man’s wisdom, and the weakness of God is stronger than man’s strength.
right ... God trains through teaching, instructing, educating, nurturing ... and God trains us through chastening, reproving, rebuking, correcting ... all for our benefit.
Hebrews 12:11 Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby.
in agreement.Genez said:
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well ... whatever you did, you did not believe and you did not receive the salvation promised to those who believe (at that time ... I know you believed at a later point and God, Who is faithful, fulfilled His promise).
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Okay, no worries, Jordon, I was just curious...
but I was also wondering about your apahsia, and racing, hoping the two are not closely related.
Do you race professionally?
some folks have so many rules to follow ... you must submit the whole post ... and if you do submit the whole post but you're only responding to part of the post, make sure you point that out ... whew!!! ... what the heck kind of "yoke of bondage" is being slung about in this thread ?!!!
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Sorry, but Genez ask the following question:
How ... In your understanding .... Does grace alone save you?
Maybe if we can find out what it is you are thinking.
I believe that I explained my thinking quite well. However, the fact that he has used his freewill to disagree is not my problem.
All unbelief is not suppression. Some is simply rejection. And when I didn't believe, it was because God was not working in me to bring me to faith. When He did so, I did believe.
If you had simply said you were only responding to one aspect of a post, you could have easily have avoided confusion. That was your choice.
Also, many people here only quote part of a post to try to make a point by misrepresenting the entirety of what was said. That's why I ask people to quote my entire posts. You are one of a few with differing views who regularly does so.
Also, I offered an apology if to any who were offended by my post. Were you offended? No one else said they were offended.
That is because it is not there and also the fact that Scripture teaches the opposite:
According to Scripture, man's will is not free.
People are simply deceived.
I remember Thieme saying something similar regarding that peculiar Greek terminology.
yep they are related I hit an oil patch whilst cornering at high speed in race, a bit of a bump but I'm ok.
The only speech problems I get is I can't talk sometimes, but as soon a start to talk I'm ok
But mainly it can only be seen when I'm writing like here I've already had to correct leaving words out several times, and putting words in the wrong order. but I'm fine no real damage really memory is good,
I'm not allowed to race professionally anymore, so I just race with my vr head set now
.Not the real deal but I love it just the same.
There was information being passed on that I believe you need to learn.
Not nit picking.
Why do you see that as nit picking?
You're treating the Word of God as it it is a trite matter?
When what I showed you was an important thing to know, that you have not yet been exposed to to consider?
I was trying to give you what would help you to better stand before the Lord and benefit your future.
It was not correct. It was simply a text book report from the denominational teachings you have been given.
I, in turn, wanted to show you how it is not correct.
Not to put you down.
But to maybe open a door to a better understanding.