I am saying they heard the Gospel numerous times and never was saved because I believe they could reject the Gift from God.
Can We Really Exercise Free Will?
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Standardized super-determinist pseudo-philosophical hogwash.
Neither the hearers nor the deniers have any power to save themselves.
But God will give grace to those that are WILLING to RECEIVE the messengers and the message.
Who cares? A lot of religions think a lot of equally nonsensical things.
Such as: God must give lobotomies without informed consent to force people to believe.
read the verses again Cameron143
Romans 1:16-19 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it [the gospel of Christ] is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. For therein [in the gospel of Christ] is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith. For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
Those who believe receive the blessing.
Those who suppress the truth in unrighteousness receive the consequence.
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the word "power" is translated from the Greek word dynamis which means strength, ability, power; inherent power, power residing in a thing by virtue of its nature.
those who believe receive the blessing promised.
those who suppress the truth in unrighteousness do not cause the dynamis to not be dynamis. The dynamis remains inherent in the gospel of Christ whether one believes it or does not believe it.
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and by the sounds of it you where believing it meant something else.
At one time grace would appear to people in the old t as the lord appeared in spirit talking to people from his kingdom or maybe other ways , that other people only got to hear about. Such as people relaying personal messages messages of God in the old t
Well this is about Jesus appearing to all men at once in Israel witnessing his miracles and his offering his grace and gospel to all the men present at that time.
But wait, that doesn't mean to say it doesn't apply to all men now , because it does mean that to.
So where still in day where God will speak to you personally now, because he's no longer appearing to all men at once, until he returns again.
So in reality we are back to how it was in the old t.
no. The gospel of Christ is the power of God unto salvation just as Scripture tells us.
Do you think the "knowledge of God through creation and conscience" can be one of the ways God draws us to Himself.
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That is what God's Justice does.
Justice that was satisfied on the Cross.
That is why we labor and strive, because we have put our hope in the living God,
who is the Savior of all people, and especially of those who believe.' 1 Timothy 4:10
We could not save ourselves from our sins. That is Justice... Not grace!
Now, what part does God's grace partake in us when we are being drawn or presented the Gospel?
Do you even understand grace?
Grace is supernatural power given by God to make us able to function when we are totally unable to do something.
But he said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness.”
Therefore I will boast all the more gladly about my weaknesses, so that Christ’s power may
rest on me. 2 Corinthians 12:9
read that? Grace is power from God. Enabling power to overcome our depravity while grace sustains us in its power..
All men are saved from our sins by God's Justice.
Grace enabled us to be able to make a right decision concerning God.
But grace did not make us make our decision.
It simple enabled us to be able to choose.
It may confound you. But? Not everyone chooses to believe.
God's grace leaves them to be without excuse when they reject.
For they can not say, "my depravity made me reject you, God!"
There is no Justice when one had no choice.
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when you heard the gospel and did not believe, did you receive salvation?
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I've read the verses hundreds of times. Can you please answer my question?
Not at first. But when God came to me personally I did. But when I heard the truth before I never suppressed it.
Works is simply the Evidence of what you believe.
I believe in God so I do as God instructed to feed the hungry, clothe the needy, help the widow.
Unfortunately, Works won't bring us Salvation or equal up to the level of Salvation.
Grace is what Jesus did upon the Cross.
Mercy is what caused Jesus to lay His life down for the Gift of Salvation.
Those are just some of the Works Jesus did for humanity.
Seems that you decided to reply to a single sentence rather than the entire post.
If that is typical, then there is no need for me to answer your questions in the future.......
I have answered your questions (plural) ... you do not like my answer ... but that does not mean I did not answer your questions (plural).
you keep asking the same question over and over ... it doesn't matter that you rearrange words or swap out one word and replace it with another ... you're asking the same question and you're going to get the same answer.
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