Are all the spiritual gifts still active today?

[CS1]

This is truly funny.

All circles are 2-dimensional shapes that exist on a flat plane.

In other words, all circles are flat.

This is one of the main verses that flat-earthers use.

Did you go to high school?

only thing flat is your understanding of God Ability. you have two circles dimensional shape BUT God lives outside of your box. And your validation.

 

[Blain]

Well according to Scripture, there is a reason why we haven’t seen those things…..
Shalom

Yes you are correct there is a reason in scripture it is called disbelief

 

[TrustandObey]

And a wonderful Bible believer was assassinated today.

May we find solace in the knowledge that he is with the Lord.

And may the Lord protect his family and bless his ministry.

 

[TrustandObey]

only thing flat is your understanding of God Ability. you have two circles dimensional shape BUT God lives outside of your box. And your validation.

Your words are nonsense and I suspect Lamar is correct, you did not finish high school.

 

[Edify]

When I see such unbelief, it's usually a people who make men too big(apostles), and God's word too small.
Yeah, there must have been 120 apostles in the upper room, & after that, the gifts were no more.
I seriously question that person's salvation because they obviously cannot discern spiritual things.
Oh, BTW, those same people will claim they have discernment, a gift they say no longer exists.
I just wish they would make up my mind.

 

[Blain]

When I see such unbelief, it's usually a people who make men too big(apostles), and God's word too small.
Yeah, there must have been 120 apostles in the upper room, & after that, the gifts were no more.
I seriously question that person's salvation because they obviously cannot discern spiritual things.
Oh, BTW, those same people will claim they have discernment, a gift they say no longer exists.
I just wish they would make up my mind.

From what I understand they believe the miraculous gifts have ceased such as healing for instance not that all gifts have but I agree that there is a shocking amount of disbelief and they only have one verse that they say says the gifts have ceased and in order for that verse to mean what they want it to say they have to add to scripture or try to make it say something it isn't

I am in this debate on another forum as well and again no verses no rpove they have ceased yet people are saying it as if it is the solid truth.

 

[Edify]

Amos 3:7
New American Standard Bible
Certainly the Lord GOD does nothing Unless He reveals His secret plan To His servants the prophets.
This is about an unchanging God's character and nature.
So, has any prophet past or present said the gifts will cease?
Even the false prophets won't touch that ungodly stuff!

 

[TruthDefender]

when does your inability to hear of see mean that you can be all places around the world. You're not knowing means you are all knowing? I have seen the blind healed and the dead raised. If a person has a massive heart attack and dies and CPR is done and that person comes back to did, they do that or GOD?


do doctors bring back the dead or is it GOD? does prayer who the same way as CPR or GOD hear CPR over the prayers of the righteous?

God doesn't need your validation of what HE said will happen if we pray according to His will. It is being willing to accept HIS answer which is yes and no an not yet. The arrogance of some who says " I’ve never heard of anyone healing the blind, or making the lame walk. Have you?"

Yes, I have. Do you want proof I imagine?

Please send me 19.95
to " I need a sign to believe."
PO box oh ye of little faith.
Atten: to CS1 "these signs follow them that believe"
Oakland CA 95437

Comical

 

[CS1]

Your words are nonsense and I suspect Lamar is correct, you did not finish high school.

and you saying that makes true? No, that is your opinion, and you are welcome to it

 

[TrustandObey]

When I see such unbelief

Can you please explain what these people are not believing?

What is this "unbelief" that you are referring to?

 

[TrustandObey]

and you saying that makes true? No, that is your opinion, and you are welcome to it

Everything we write is opinion.

Except from the Pentecostals, some of their words (interpreted tongues) are directly from God.

Oh wait, the words of Mormons Apostles are not opinions.

Oh wait, I forgot the Pope is the Vicar of God.

 

[Fillan]

My thought is, miracles happen everyday; but not the miraculous kind done by the apostles.

Hello! I was reading this passage:

Acts 5: 12-16 The apostles performed many signs and wonders among the people, and with one accord the believers gathered together in Solomon’s Colonnade. Although the people regarded them highly, no one else dared to join them. Yet more and more believers were brought to the Lord—large numbers of both men and women. As a result, people brought the sick into the streets and laid them on cots and mats, so that at least Peter’s shadow might fall on some of them as he passed by. Crowds also gathered from the towns around Jerusalem, bringing the sick and those tormented by unclean spirits, and all of them were healed.

Amazing stuff. The Apostles performed many signs and wonders, crowds brought those in need of healing and all who came looking for healing were healed.

Interesting questions could be: Is this level of signs and wonders performed exclusively by Apostles? Are there Apostles today?

God Bless

 

[CS1]

Everything we write is opinion.

Except from the Pentecostals, some of their words (interpreted tongues) are directly from God.

Oh wait, the words of Mormons Apostles are not opinions.

Oh wait, I forgot the Pope is the Vicar of God.

See you don't have the ability to discuss the context of the Gifts of the Holy Spirt. I have many times provided biblical text, passages, chapters and verse to support my understanding of the Holy Spirit and the empowering of the Holy Spirit.

For example:

• Jesus' teaching in John chapter 14 and 15 on the Holy Spirit
• John 20:2-2- and Luke 24:36-49 Jesus imparting the Holy Spirit and opening their understanding of Jesus as Lord
• the command to wait Luke 24:49 Act chapter 1:8
• established the normative of the empowering of the Holy Spirit seen in Acts chapters, 2:2-4, Acts 10:44-48, Acts 19:4-7
• The teaching of the Gifts of the Holy Spirt found in 1corthians chapter 12 through 14.

No where in the word of God does it say or teach the gifts are not for today or have stopped. It is not there.
You may have not seen it, or experienced fake, false, and abusers of the gifts that doesn't change the word of God.

Your negative is not authoritative or dismissing what you have not seen to confirm for yourself. I will further say not one Pentecostal here that I have seen supporting foolishness we see on TV by those who are about $$$$$$$$$. But don't act like the gift to the church that Pastors have been greatly abusive with the word and in deed, yet That Gift is still a gift from the Lord Jesus Christ known as the Gifts of Christ seen in Ephesians 4:11-16

it is you who attack pope Mormons apostles please do I do not hold to either one. But if you want to have me hear what you have to say in the disagreement of The Gifts of the Holy Spirit, please show me:

• where in the word of God does it say the gifts have stopped or not for today
• Show me in the word of God where it says praying for the sick has stopped because God doesn't heal anymore

Show that from the word of God. That would be something.

 

[TrustandObey]

See you don't have the ability to discuss the context of the Gifts of the Holy Spirt. I have many times provided biblical text, passages, chapters and verse to support my understanding of the Holy Spirit and the empowering of the Holy Spirit.

For example:

• Jesus' teaching in John chapter 14 and 15 on the Holy Spirit
• John 20:2-2- and Luke 24:36-49 Jesus imparting the Holy Spirit and opening their understanding of Jesus as Lord
• the command to wait Luke 24:49 Act chapter 1:8
• established the normative of the empowering of the Holy Spirit seen in Acts chapters, 2:2-4, Acts 10:44-48, Acts 19:4-7
• The teaching of the Gifts of the Holy Spirt found in 1corthians chapter 12 through 14.

No where in the word of God does it say or teach the gifts are not for today or have stopped. It is not there.
You may have not seen it, or experienced fake, false, and abusers of the gifts that doesn't change the word of God.

Your negative is not authoritative or dismissing what you have not seen to confirm for yourself. I will further say not one Pentecostal here that I have seen supporting foolishness we see on TV by those who are about $$$$$$$$$. But don't act like the gift to the church that Pastors have been greatly abusive with the word and in deed, yet That Gift is still a gift from the Lord Jesus Christ known as the Gifts of Christ seen in Ephesians 4:11-16

it is you who attack pope Mormons apostles please do I do not hold to either one. But if you want to have me hear what you have to say in the disagreement of The Gifts of the Holy Spirit, please show me:

• where in the word of God does it say the gifts have stopped or not for today
• Show me in the word of God where it says praying for the sick has stopped because God doesn't heal anymore

Show that from the word of God. That would be something.

Post# 224 and previous posts was about your inability to define an opinion or a circle, as well as your suspected lack of passing high school. Your inability to proof-read your writing is still a problem, so if I am missing something you can chalk it up to that.

Mormons believe that their apostles speak for God.
Catholics believe that the Pope is the Vicar of Christ.
And Pentecostals believe that their interpreted tongues are directly from God.

 

[CS1]

Post# 224 and previous posts was about your inability to define an opinion or a circle, as well as your suspected lack of passing high school. Your inability to proof-read your writing is still a problem, so if I am missing something you can chalk it up to that.

Mormons believe that their apostles speak for God.
Catholics believe that the Pope is the Vicar of Christ.
And Pentecostals believe that their interpreted tongues are directly from God.

again :

The topic is

Are all the spiritual gifts still active today?


which you cannot with the word of God prove has stopped or not for today.


to your point here below
"Pentecostals believe that their interpreted tongues are directly from God."


No we do not. You who are not a Pentecostal going to tell me who is one what we believe.


1cor chapter 14:2-5 says which was not written by a Pentecostal church LOL.

it states:

2 For he who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God, for no one understands him; however, in the spirit he speaks mysteries. 3 But he who prophesies speaks edification and exhortation and comfort to men. 4 He who speaks in a tongue edifies himself, but he who prophesies edifies the church. 5 I wish you all spoke with tongues, but even more that you prophesied; for he who prophesies is greater than he who speaks with tongues, unless indeed he interprets, that the church may receive edification.

 

[shittim]

Hello! I was reading this passage:

Acts 5: 12-16 The apostles performed many signs and wonders among the people, and with one accord the believers gathered together in Solomon’s Colonnade. Although the people regarded them highly, no one else dared to join them. Yet more and more believers were brought to the Lord—large numbers of both men and women. As a result, people brought the sick into the streets and laid them on cots and mats, so that at least Peter’s shadow might fall on some of them as he passed by. Crowds also gathered from the towns around Jerusalem, bringing the sick and those tormented by unclean spirits, and all of them were healed.

Amazing stuff. The Apostles performed many signs and wonders, crowds brought those in need of healing and all who came looking for healing were healed.

Interesting questions could be: Is this level of signs and wonders performed exclusively by Apostles? Are there Apostles today?

God Bless

It is my understanding an Apostle was one who knew Him while He was here. Not sure how some churches today call some of their own apostles. Another help to me was understanding that what was written were the outstanding high points of ministry, it wasn't like we needed hard hat and pads to deflect all the evil spirits being cast out.
All "gifts" are from Holy Spirit infilling as Jesus received from John the Baptist, imparted to the 12, they to the 70, unto today.
We lost our way when Constantine started the RCC and made people work for the free gift of salvation and rest there. His command was the heal, raise, cast out, etc., this may be why Jesus said most would have an outward form of godliness denying the power when His Own would do greater works than He.
blessings

 

[Carlyw]

Some would argue that most of the giftings are still around today, but not all. Here are some reasons why.

As for prophesy, some think that gifting as ceased and use Hebrews 1:1-3 as a reason. I am of the opinion that prophesy still exists as I don't see why Paul would say to test prophesy. 1 Thessalonians 5:20-21

As for tongues, I am of the opinion that people who refute it as a gifting have no Biblical support to do so. But I also see from the far other side, that some Charismatics see tongues as God given babble. I am of the opinion that tongues exist, but that they are not babble, but existing languages that you would not otherwise know unless gifted from God in that moment. Lets say Mandarin, or Spanish for example.

Now I do believe that the gifting of apostleship has ended in the way that the main apostles were apostles. I believe I have good reason to do so. There's this verse Ephesians 2:20-21 which to me insinuates that Christ ministry(us being brought into the body) was built on the ministry of the apostles/prophets, mainly through preaching the word of God. Some might come to believe that since the Bible is formulated, and done being written that apostleship in the form of special revelation is not proper for the church today, given that we are not to add to the word of God. It is also worth noting that when talking about Church leadership/roles in 1 Timothy, Apostleship was not noted. Historically, Apostolic succession was not a practice during or around the time of the apostles, but came a bit later. Now there are Apostles listed in the NT, those being missionaries, "ones sent by God", but they church planted and taught the word of God. They weren't spiritual leaders that gave divine revelation directly given from God himself. I like to think of the role of what would be modern apostles done right as missionaries.

As for encouragement/ the other giftings, people don't seem to refute those. People see teaching as a gift today, along with any other uncontroversial gifting. It's mainly these three that I have seen disagreement with.

Wait what about Healing/Miracles? how could I forget. I don't see how anyone could have any scriptural evidence or historical reason to discount the gifting of Miracles, which God surly can work into the lives of believers. Now I believe a huge part of people disliking these are the fact that people lie and give these giftings a bad name. I've even been "healed"....which I wasn't. When I tried to speak up I was silenced and shamed. Yet I still know these things exist.

 

[Blain]

I am in this debate on another forum and I asked for scripture to prove that the gifts have ceased and none could be given yet they speak as if their opinion is as solid as scripture, there is but one verse that many use to say the gifts have ceased yet it requires that the perfect in that verse means the word of God which is not what it says so there is no biblical evidence to support the ending of the gifts.

Besides that I myself walk in the gift of prophecy and in fact spoke a word over someone yesterday and God used it to bless them immensely had I believed that the gift had ended with the apostles I doubt God would have used me to speak a word over this person who truly needed it at the time.

So really I can testify that the gift of prophecy has not ceased, as for speaking in tongues I have only encountered that gifts the real one at least three times in my life and twice with the laying of hands on me though I have also been in the presence of fake tongues and your spirit can tell the difference

 

[shittim]

ALL Christians should be able to walk in all the gifts Jesus manifested, it is the same "gift", the gift of Holy Spirit that is the source, we must grow in gifting, we have not because we ask not.
blessings

 

[Blain]

ALL Christians should be able to walk in all the gifts Jesus manifested, it is the same "gift", the gift of Holy Spirit that is the source, we must grow in gifting, we have not because we ask not.
blessings

@shittim did you get the pm I sent you a while back? I never got a response so I am not sure if you receieved it