Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

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Jordon said:
Good answer 🤩
So now to my next question do you think that nature was a result of adams nature hardening even more in the king of tyre..

Then to my next question do you think God was still talking to king of tyre at this stage.
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I have not looked into the king of Tyre for a while LOL but as to his nature, people are born naturally
inclined toward sin and under divine judgment due to their fallen nature, inherited from Adam.
This condition is a spiritual state of separation from God, characterized by a rejection of Him and
a desire to fulfill sinful passions. This is the human condition despite all the naysayers disputing
what God's Word says. Don't ask me why they hate what God's Word says. It is obvious that they do.
They'd rather believe man is not such a bad guy after all even though their own behaviour says otherwise.

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Pelagian heretics insist man is inherently good. From within the hearts of men come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery, greed, wickedness, deceit, debauchery, envy, slander, arrogance, and foolishness. Mark 7 verses 21-22 Every inclination of man's heart is evil from his youth. Genesis 8 verse 21b Who can bring out clean from unclean? No one! Job 14 verse 4 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Matthew 7 verse 18
 
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cv5 said:
The woman of Luke 7 laughs at your ignorant philosophy.
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Are you saying that this woman isn't subject to the truths of the Bible? This story doesn't reveal anything about spiritual activity that may be occurring. You simply assume there is none. But we know that none seek after God, yet this woman is seeking after God. Hence, there is spiritual activity occurring with the woman already.
 
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Jordon said:
Yes sir well not just a puppet master but a Muppet master.

Well at least in your case sir
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Yea my God isn’t a puppet master he created people to freely love one another and dwell with him eternally . Good luck with the marvel version of the puppet master …. I hope that you’re one of the secret chosen puppets who he forces to do good and chooses to save based on what he forces you to do . And not one of the ones he forces to do evil then blames and punished for it .
 
cv5 said:
The woman of Luke 7 laughs at your ignorant philosophy.
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She [the woman in Luke 7] probably would not laugh, since one of the last things spoken of her was that she stood at His feet behind Him weeping.
She wept knowing that she was a sinner and desperately needed the forgiveness that could only come from Christ. Obviously the HS gave her an attitude adjustment.
She was drawn to Christ after being enabled to place her faith in the only one who could forgive her sins.
God used her to teach a lesson to those who thought very highly of themselves. Therefore, when she knew that Jesus sat at the table in the Pharisee’s house, she brought an alabaster flask of fragrant oil and attended to His needs.
This kind of faith only comes from God himself!

Then He [Christ] said to the woman, “Your faith has saved you. Go in peace.”
 
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Jordon said:
oh so now your telling me pilgrims has been chosen as an elder.

He started the whole agenda with me.

It not my fault he can't accept my faith.

Just like you
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Elder as in older.

In some cultures, the the best ones in my opinion, respecting one's elders is widely practiced and expected, so dialogue with them is never derogatory or disrespectful even when disagreeing.
 
cv5 said:
Could it be that @Rufus is implying Calvinistic chosenite super-exclusivity.....again?
And again and again.
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This kind of people are a prototype of a mentality that is being formulated now for a future endeavor during the Tribulation.
They need to be adept in knowing Scripture academically to be used to offend and resist those who know it spiritually.

Here is the time when such a mind set will go into full swing. Right now, it's just a testing for those who know the Lord correctly.
But during the Tribulation, those who manifest bully tendencies now, will have license to abuse and persecute mercilessly.

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And then many will be offended, will betray one another, and will hate one another. ​
Then many false prophets will rise up and deceive many. And because lawlessness will ​
abound, the love of many will grow cold. But he who endures to the end shall be saved. ​
And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the ​
nations, and then the end will come.​
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“Therefore, when you see the ‘abomination of desolation,’ spoken of by Daniel the prophet, ​
standing in the holy place” (whoever reads, let him understand). Matthew 24:10-15​


That speaks of the Tribulation period. Not today.
Those who endure to the end during the Tribulation period will be saved (delivered) and enter into the Millennium alive!

But look what will be needed to be made ready by Satan for his last stand...
False prophets, who must have an adept academic knowledge of the Word of God!

Now we just rest in His grace as they strut their stuff, trying to see if they can make a dent.
But there is a system wishing to be perfected if it could.

It makes sense why someone now would be so interested in memorizing God's Word but never getting what it tells us.
Finding ways, coming up with distortions that serve as anchors for their naturally dogmatic way of thinking.

Just recently that became clear to me.

Grace and peace ...............
 
Cameron143 said:
Are you saying that this woman isn't subject to the truths of the Bible? This story doesn't reveal anything about spiritual activity that may be occurring. You simply assume there is none. But we know that none seek after God, yet this woman is seeking after God. Hence, there is spiritual activity occurring with the woman already.
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For sure we know, she was not regenerated prior to faith, cause if this tenet was true it would be very clearly taught in scripture within the plan of salvation.
 
HeIsHere said:
What matters is that .... regeneration does not precede faith in scripture. and since it does not, that means that God has preserved in

fallen man the ability to respond either in a positive manner or negative manner to the power and truth inherent in the Good News of Christ Jesus.

The natural man of your doctrine is basically criminally insane >>> not responsible.
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More false stuff.
 
HeIsHere said:
Indeed!!


Allowing people to reject Him is what distinguishes the benevolent and loving sovereignty of the TRUE God from the tyrannical control of the deity/false god of Calvinism.
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I’ve noticed some aren’t here to discuss the Bible but distract from what it says and explain thier alternative version of things …. That’s why the Bible discussion forum is always a carnal argument about basic fundamental things taught clearly in the Bible.


i wonder alot if there’s any benefit at all to coming here or if it’s actually a detriment to many who do
 
HeIsHere said:
Sanctification cannot be before justification either chronologically or logically.
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Again, see 1Pet 1:2 and 2Thes 2:13! Is not salvation itself a process? And isn't sanctification a process, as well? Can you connect the two dots?
 
HeIsHere said:
For sure we know, she was not regenerated prior to faith, cause if this tenet was true it would be very clearly taught in scripture within the plan of salvation.
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For sure we know that free will is not a legitimate doctrine, cause if this precept was true it would be very clearly taught in Scripture.

There is not one verse that articulates what you believe regarding free will, and you repeatedly give Scriptures
claiming they say one thing when they say something else. Sad but true your buddies do the same thing.
 
Cameron143 said:
More false stuff.
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Regeneration is part of salvation, it is impossible to be sanctified prior to being justified.

You really have no way around this truth.

It is the Achilles Heel /fatal flaw that pulls negates all the rest of the "R" doctrine.
 
HeIsHere said:
Regeneration is part of salvation, it is impossible to be sanctified prior to being justified.

You really have no way around this truth.

It is the Achilles Heel /fatal flaw that pulls negates all the rest of the "R" doctrine.
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Sanctification is a progressive process conforming those regenerated into the image of Christ through the work of the Holy Spirit.

You have the person hostile to God incapable of submitting deciding to believe what he is
inherently opposed to when he cannot even receive or understand the spiritual things of God.

It is the Achilles Heel /fatal flaw that negates all the rest of your nonsense.
 
Pilgrimshope said:
I’ve noticed some aren’t here to discuss the Bible but distract from what it says and explain thier alternative version of things …. That’s why the Bible discussion forum is always a carnal argument about basic fundamental things taught clearly in the Bible.


i wonder alot if there’s any benefit at all to coming here or if it’s actually a detriment to many who do
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Yes I see it to.
I was wondering the same thing about it being detrimental.
 
HeIsHere said:


Election – Seen as unconditional, based solely on God’s will, rather than conditional on human faith or response.
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Is the New Covenant a conditional, bilateral covenant as the Covenant Law of Moses was? If so, what are its terms and conditions that God requires from his covenant people?
 
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