Are you a sinner?

[Brasspen]

I just read in worthy news that a group of Christians in America have just recently confessed and said Christians are sinners. They did this as if it's shocking, like its unbelievable.

In my Christian life I know that all are sinners. The Christian man and those who are not with God. This has been how it's always been. "For all have fallen short of the glory of God.", "And if we say we have no sin, we make him to be a liar."

 

[enril]

Of coruse.
almost every day, and every day in so-called 'minor' ways.

 

[GWH]

I just read in worthy news that a group of Christians in America have just recently confessed and said Christians are sinners. They did this as if it's shocking, like its unbelievable.

In my Christian life I know that all are sinners. The Christian man and those who are not with God. This has been how it's always been. "For all have fallen short of the glory of God.", "And if we say we have no sin, we make him to be a liar."

A rhetorical question? A poll? Yes.

 

[GWH]

A rhetorical question? A poll? Yes.

BTW, I am also a saint.

 

[Aussie52]

No! In the New Testament Christians are called saints, not sinners.

 

[Genenco]

In my opinion, those who have rejected God and Jesus and the holy Spirit are sinners. Those who have accepted Christ as their savior, are Christians, but they are no longer sinners. They do still sin and at times, that is because we are still of the flesh.

Romans 7:23-25

As Paul said "But I see another law at work in my body, warring against the law of my mind and holding me captive to the law of sin that dwells within me. What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body of death? Thanks be to God, through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, with my mind I serve the law of God, but with my flesh I serve the law of sin"

 

[Doll]

No! In the New Testament Christians are called saints, not sinners.

Amen. We are redeemed from our sins that God remembers no more. Anything in future is put under the blood of Jesus. It's covered,washed away. Because we who are in Christ do not make a habit of sinning. If we do,we were never in Christ. And he does not know us.

So,if we are still calling ourselves sinners,we're not in Christ.


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[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Sinners is probably not the best term to use. We all sin, yes, but we are not sinners. Paul doesn't use that term to describe sanctified ones, but reserves it for the world. James uses the term once towards believers.

 

[studentoftheword]

No! In the New Testament Christians are called saints, not sinners.

You are so right ----People who are saved need to get this -----you cannot be both your either a Saint or your a Sinner ----

AI Overview

The phrase "A saint is not a sinner" emphasizes a Christian theological perspective that believers, by their identity in Christ, are no longer defined as sinners but as "saints" or "holy ones" who have been set apart by God.

While all people are born with a sinful nature and may still commit sinful acts, in God's eyes, those who accept Jesus are seen as righteous and redeemed, a new identity given through grace, not their own works.

Understanding the Terms

• Sinner:
  In Christian theology, a sinner is someone who has fallen short of God's standards and separated from Him by sin.
  
  
• Saint:
  The term "saint" (derived from the Latin sanctus) means "holy one" or "set apart". In the New Testament, it refers to all believers in Christ, who have been made holy through His sacrifice.
  

Why a Saint Is Not a Sinner in this Context

• Identity in Christ:
  When a person becomes a Christian, their identity changes. They are no longer primarily a sinner, but a saint, because Christ's righteousness has been "imputed" or credited to them.
  
  
• Redemption and Forgiveness:
  Believers have been forgiven, redeemed, and given a new identity. This means they are no longer under condemnation for their past or present sins, according to this viewpoint.
  
  
• Sanctification:
  Through faith in Christ, believers are "sanctified," meaning they have been set apart for God's purposes.
  
  
• New Nature:
  Those in Christ have received the Holy Spirit and a new nature, which allows them to live apart from their sinful nature and pursue righteousness.
  

A Saint Who Still Sins

• The statement does not mean that a believer can never sin again.
  
  
• Even though they are now saints, they are still in the process of overcoming their sinful nature and must continually strive to live according to God's laws.
  
  
• However, their identity is no longer defined by their sin but by their new nature as a "holy one" in the eyes of God

 

[Edify]

This is a catch - 22 situation. Both are true.
The outer man is under the curse of sin. Flesh & blood shall not inherit the Kingdom of God.
The inner man is a christian, a son of God according to the scriptures. He is righteous & holy.
But it is NOT our righteousness. It belongs to Jesus Christ.
Who is the gullible person who believes every new "christian" story on the internet?
You need to repent of such foolishness if you want to make it to Heaven.

 

[Aussie52]

As far as Paul went, sin has no place in the Christian's life. Rom 6 "Shall we continue in sin that grace my abound ? God forbid."
John was of the same mind, "These things I write unto you that you sin not." 1 Jn 2:1. Further in his Epistle he states that the way to tell the difference between a child of the devil and a child of God, is that one sins and the other does not.
How far we have strayed from the word of God.
There is provision for victory over sinning in the Atonement and the ministry of the Holy Spirit. Rom 8.

 

[PaulThomson]

I just read in worthy news that a group of Christians in America have just recently confessed and said Christians are sinners. They did this as if it's shocking, like its unbelievable.

In my Christian life I know that all are sinners. The Christian man and those who are not with God. This has been how it's always been. "For all have fallen short of the glory of God.", "And if we say we have no sin, we make him to be a liar."

I would define a sinner as a person who is presently sinning. Sometimes, I'm a sinner. And sometimes, I am not.
I would define a saint as someone who is presently setting themselves apart for God's use. Sometimes, I'm a saint. And sometimes, I am not.

 

[GWH]

No! In the New Testament Christians are called saints, not sinners.

Actually Aussie, they are called or described as both sinners and saints = saved/forgiven sinners.
Even Paul did not claim to be morally perfect (Phil. 3:12f.), but only to be credited with Christ's righteousness (Rom. 3-4).

 

[Aussie52]

Actually Aussie, they are called or described as both sinners and saints = saved/forgiven sinners.
Even Paul did not claim to be morally perfect (Phil. 3:12f.), but only to be credited with Christ's righteousness (Rom. 3-4).

Where may I ask is a Christian call a sinner in the New Testament??
The 'perfection' mentioned in Phil 3:12 is the state of glorification.
Phil 3:15 states' Therefore let us, as many as are perfect, have this mind etc'

There are two types of perfection mentioned in the NT.
One is the perfection of the final state or glorification.
The other is the perfection that means complete, made whole. Something that we can attain by the grace of God. This is the perfection that Jesus calls us to in the sermon on the mount , Be perfect as your father in Heaven is perfect.

 

[GWH]

Where may I ask is a Christian call a sinner in the New Testament??
The 'perfection' mentioned in Phil 3:12 is the state of glorification.
Phil 3:15 states' Therefore let us, as many as are perfect, have this mind etc'

There are two types of perfection mentioned in the NT.
One is the perfection of the final state or glorification.
The other is the perfection that means complete, made whole. Something that we can attain by the grace of God. This is the perfection that Jesus calls us to in the sermon on the mount , Be perfect as your father in Heaven is perfect.

You may ask where Christians are described as being sinful, and the answer is in every epistle,
often after and before being called saints in the greeting and conclusion.

The two types of perfection are:
1. being deemed such because of faith in Christ's atonement (per Romans 3-4, Phil. 3:15),
2. achieving such actually as the end result of reaching that goal or becoming perfect via perseverance and resurrection
(Phil. 3:12f., Matt. 5:44 & 48).

HANDDU

 

[mailmandan]

1 John 1:8 - If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us.

 

[Aussie52]

If the blood of Jesus Christ cleanses us from all sin (1 Jn 1;7), how much sin do we have? Nil!
If we are cleansed from all unrighteousness (1 Jn 1:9), how much sin do we have? Nil.
So, v 8 cannot be taken out of context to mean all Christian have sin in their lives.

 

[mailmandan]

If the blood of Jesus Christ cleanses us from all sin (1 Jn 1;7), how much sin do we have? Nil!
If we are cleansed from all unrighteousness (1 Jn 1:9), how much sin do we have? Nil.
So, v 8 cannot be taken out of context to mean all Christian have sin in their lives.

The blood of Christ does cleanse believers (descriptive of those who walk in the light) from all sin (1 John 1:7) yet that still does not mean that Christians never sin at all. (1 John 1:8-10)

 

[JohnDB]

That's right....
You ain't got nothing on me....
I'm as innocent as the driven snow.

Where's your evidence?....I got Christ's righteousness....
To accuse me is to accuse God....

 

[CalledByChrist]

To those that identify themself as a sinner.

- Read Exodus 3:14-15.
- Now read Exodus 20:7.
- Now ask yourself if you have accepted the LORD Jesus Christ as the Son of God and His Gospel?

Now to tie it all together, try and describe yourself in present tense without blasphemy.

I say to you this, forgive yourself. The sins you committed whilst lost were not your fault. Forgive yourself! Paul told you that you are a new creation, the old passed away.

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

If you describe yourself according to your past, you are not in the present. If you are not in the present then you are unaware of the gift. If you are unaware of the gift, you are unaware of the gifter. The past does not define you.

The LORD Jesus Christ came into the world, lived a perfect life and yet the world still hated and condemned Him. Now if perfection cannot please those of the world, maybe we shouldn't try pleasing the world. For darkness hates the Light, but don't worry for the Light controls where darkness creeps and one day soon darkness will be no more. Be light.