Are all the spiritual gifts still active today?

[shittim]

ALL? Name ONE person with the gift of miraculous healing.

I would if you weren't so oblivious.
The "Gift" is the Holy Spirit, any and all who have received Holy Spirit can grow into any and all off the gifts Jesus manifested. He was sent to model how we are to live.
You may not experience this until you come to Him in humility and contrition, not the pride and arrogance you displayed in the question.
best wishes

 

[GWH]

I would if you weren't so oblivious.
The "Gift" is the Holy Spirit, any and all who have received Holy Spirit can grow into any and all off the gifts Jesus manifested. He was sent to model how we are to live.
You may not experience this until you come to Him in humility and contrition, not the pride and arrogance you displayed in the question.
best wishes

IOW, you don't know of anyone who can cure cancer, but your pride prevents you from admitting it.
That's okay, no need to be ashamed--no one else does either or else he/she would be famous--like Jesus was.

 

[shittim]

IOW, you don't know of anyone who can cure cancer, but your pride prevents you from admitting it.
That's okay, no need to be ashamed--no one else does either or else he/she would be famous--like Jesus was.

Yes I do, you however are a mocker and don't deserve the knowledge.
goodbye

 

[GWH]

Yes I do, you however are a mocker and don't deserve the knowledge.
goodbye

Yeah, right!
I know that you don't know, because we would all know.
You mock yourself.

 

[shittim]

said the reprobate

 

[TrustandObey]

God gave the manna and did not take it back. God gave the flock of birds and did not take them back. God gave water from the rock and did not take it back. The cessation of specific physical provision is fundamentally distinct from the operation of the Holy Spirit. There is no “consumable” measure of God.

God did end the manna. God did end the flock of birds. God did stop the water. The cessation of physical supernatural manifestations of the Holy Spirit are fundamentally baked into its purpose.

Peter's haul of fish ended. Once cast out demons could come back to the possessed. Lazarus eventually died.

And the wine from water was most certainly "consumed".

Shittim's mind is bent.

But is yours?

I understand the reasoning of believing that the physical supernatural manifestations of the New Testament never ended but its core is
based on the lack of a specific date given to their end.
But this is a argument from silence.

IOW, since the Bible does not tell us "when" the manifestations will cease (1st Cor. 13:8) many here will ignore reason and insist that this date has not arrived, turning a blind eye to the prima facie before us.

So how do we know that the age of the miraculous is not active today as it was during the New Testament?

Simply open your heart, mind and eyes.

 

[TrustandObey]

Yes I do, you however are a mocker and don't deserve the knowledge.
goodbye

I must agree with GWH. If you knew anyone with these gifts not only would you be calling out their name but so would the healed.

As a matter of fact, these debates would not even exist if these manifestations were active today.

And I would have torn a hole in their roof to lower my son.

 

[Dino246]

God did end the manna. God did end the flock of birds. God did stop the water. The cessation of physical supernatural manifestations of the Holy Spirit are fundamentally baked into its purpose.

Peter's haul of fish ended. Once cast out demons could come back to the possessed. Lazarus eventually died.

And the wine from water was most certainly "consumed".

Shittim's mind is bent.

But is yours?

I understand the reasoning of believing that the physical supernatural manifestations of the New Testament never ended but its core is
based on the lack of a specific date given to their end.
But this is a argument from silence.

IOW, since the Bible does not tell us "when" the manifestations will cease (1st Cor. 13:8) many here will ignore reason and insist that this date has not arrived, turning a blind eye to the prima facie before us.

So how do we know that the age of the miraculous is not active today as it was during the New Testament?

Simply open your heart, mind and eyes.

I have opened my eyes, heart, and mind, and have both experienced and witnessed things that are consistent with the descriptions in 1 Corinthians. Apparently you have not.

I have never seen Japan or Australia, but I am sure they exist because I don’t assume every other human is a deluded liar. Perhaps you should have more faith in God’s goodness than in human brokenness… especially among people who name Jesus as Lord.

 

[Edify]

Isn't it a shame that those who received God's grace for salvation refuse the rest of His grace to become more than a conqueror in Christ?!?
If His grace is sufficient for you, then it is sufficient for you in all things.

 

[Edify]

Many think that "by grace through faith" is there to get them over the line, & that's all.
They don't have a clue how that covers the rest of their ministry & life in Christ.

 

[TrustandObey]

I have opened my eyes, heart, and mind, and have both experienced and witnessed things that are consistent with the descriptions in 1 Corinthians. Apparently you have not.

I have never seen Japan or Australia, but I am sure they exist because I don’t assume every other human is a deluded liar. Perhaps you should have more faith in God’s goodness than in human brokenness… especially among people who name Jesus as Lord.

Both of us live in the same place, same time and with the same access to the world around us, yet we see two totally different realities. How can this be? Is not your up & down the same as my up and down, does not 1+1=2 the same for both of us?

Why are so many people not seeing these restorers of sight, these healers of disease, these restorers of life itself?

Why are they not being mobbed, why are their roofs not being pulled apart, why are they not using these gifts to proclaim the gospel of Christ?

Simply put, where are they?

Your anecdotal comments are not convincing on such an issue as this. I doubt you would accept such claims as evidence on other topics.

Below is the world in which the physical supernatural manifestations are active. This is not our world.

Acts 4:9-12
Then Peter, filled with the Holy Spirit, said to them: “Rulers and elders of the people! If we are being called to account today for an act of kindness shown to a man who was lame and are being asked how he was healed, then know this, you and all the people of Israel: It is by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom you crucified but whom God raised from the dead, that this man stands before you healed.

Acts 28:8-10
His father was sick in bed, suffering from fever and dysentery. Paul went in to see him and, after prayer, placed his hands on him and healed him. When this had happened, the rest of the sick on the island came and were cured. They honored us in many ways; and when we were ready to sail, they furnished us with the supplies we needed.

Acts 5:14-16
And increasingly believers in the Lord, large numbers of men and women, were being added to their number, to such an extent that they even carried the sick out into the streets and laid them on cots and pallets, so that when Peter came by at least his shadow might fall on any of them. The people from the cities in the vicinity of Jerusalem were coming together as well, bringing people who were sick or tormented with unclean spirits, and they were all being healed.

Acts 19:11-12
God did extraordinary miracles through Paul, so that even handkerchiefs and aprons that had touched him were taken to the sick, and their illnesses were cured and the evil spirits left them.

It seems your theology has blinded you.

 

[shittim]

I must agree with GWH. If you knew anyone with these gifts not only would you be calling out their name but so would the healed.

As a matter of fact, these debates would not even exist if these manifestations were active today.

And I would have torn a hole in their roof to lower my son.

Yes there are people who Holy Spirit works through and there are many.
No pearls for you and the reprobate.

 

[wattie]

If yes, what is your Biblical and historical evidence?

If no, what is your Biblical and historical evidence?

Why are some spiritual gift lists longer than others and contain for example (music, singleness, apostle, craftsmanship, or deliverance/exorcisms)?

I believe the gifts of tongues, prophecy and knowledge have ceased.

Tongues..were a sign for the unbelieving Jews and were associated with establishing the early churches and confirming the apostles ministry.

Prophecy ..is linked to scripture and the prophecies of past prophets that have been fulfilled.

The special gift of knowledge (not general knowledge..an important distinction) like tongues, was associated with the establishment of the early churches and confirming the apostles ministry.

The completed Canon of scripture has superseded the need for tongues, prophecy and special gift of knowledge.

 

[Edify]

Both of us live in the same place, same time and with the same access to the world around us, yet we see two totally different realities. How can this be? Is not your up & down the same as my up and down, does not 1+1=2 the same for both of us?

Why are so many people not seeing these restorers of sight, these healers of disease, these restorers of life itself?

Why are they not being mobbed, why are their roofs not being pulled apart, why are they not using these gifts to proclaim the gospel of Christ?

Simply put, where are they?

Your anecdotal comments are not convincing on such an issue as this. I doubt you would accept such claims as evidence on other topics.

Below is the world in which the physical supernatural manifestations are active. This is not our world.

Acts 4:9-12
Then Peter, filled with the Holy Spirit, said to them: “Rulers and elders of the people! If we are being called to account today for an act of kindness shown to a man who was lame and are being asked how he was healed, then know this, you and all the people of Israel: It is by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom you crucified but whom God raised from the dead, that this man stands before you healed.

Acts 28:8-10
His father was sick in bed, suffering from fever and dysentery. Paul went in to see him and, after prayer, placed his hands on him and healed him. When this had happened, the rest of the sick on the island came and were cured. They honored us in many ways; and when we were ready to sail, they furnished us with the supplies we needed.

Acts 5:14-16
And increasingly believers in the Lord, large numbers of men and women, were being added to their number, to such an extent that they even carried the sick out into the streets and laid them on cots and pallets, so that when Peter came by at least his shadow might fall on any of them. The people from the cities in the vicinity of Jerusalem were coming together as well, bringing people who were sick or tormented with unclean spirits, and they were all being healed.

Acts 19:11-12
God did extraordinary miracles through Paul, so that even handkerchiefs and aprons that had touched him were taken to the sick, and their illnesses were cured and the evil spirits left them.

It seems your theology has blinded you.

How wonderful you posted all these scriptures to prove God did these things, yet you couldnt find a single one to prove otherwise.
You actually proved He still does! Good job!

 

[Edify]

Yes there are people who Holy Spirit works through and there are many.
No pearls for you and the reprobate.

Careful, friend... names aren't edifying. This adds nothing to the Op,

 

[Edify]

I must agree with GWH. If you knew anyone with these gifts not only would you be calling out their name but so would the healed.

As a matter of fact, these debates would not even exist if these manifestations were active today.

And I would have torn a hole in their roof to lower my son.

So do you study Acts?
Acts 2:
14But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words: 15For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day. 16But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;
17And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
18And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:
Study your biblical history. Many revivals had happened the past 200 or so years, WITH signs of miracles following.
I understand that might not be good enough for you, but nevertheless you're stuck like Chuck because you can't disprove them.

 

[GWH]

Yes there are people who Holy Spirit works through and there are many.
No pearls for you and the reprobate.

Yes, the HS works through every believer as they reflect/share God's love, as the "seven pearls" teach:
1John 4:7-12, Rom. 5:8, Matt. 5:44&48, Gal. 5:6&14, Eph. 3:17b-19, Eph. 5:2 and 1Tim. 2:3-4.

 

[wattie]

I think its really important to understand the Cessationist position.

The Cessationist does not say ALL spiritual gifts have ceased. There are many of them and the Cessationist will usually have 3 ceasing.. prophecy, tongues and knowledge. Some also have the gifts of evangelism, teacher, etc.. ceasing. The thing being..it isn't saying ALL gifts ceasing.

Also the Cessationist would allow for God to do His will of course. So He could cause some one to perform a miracle..or speak in tongues..by His power. It would though be a different thing to the gifts.

God working His will and the operation of spiritual gifts aren't the same thing, though related.

Also the Cessationist would believe in the gift of salvation given to the believer among many other numerous blessings God gives.

It's important to isolate prophecy, tongues and knowledge gifts from the whole work of God which is a whole lot more.

 

[Edify]

I think its really important to understand the Cessationist position.

Not when the only scripture they stand on has been twisted & taken out of context.

 

[Dino246]

Both of us live in the same place, same time and with the same access to the world around us, yet we see two totally different realities. How can this be? Is not your up & down the same as my up and down, does not 1+1=2 the same for both of us?

Apples and oranges.

You come at this subject assuming that the Holy Spirit does not act today, and you don't see Him acting. I come at it assuming that He does, and I see Him doing things like those described in Scripture. Change your worldview and your experience might change.

Your anecdotal comments are not convincing on such an issue as this. I doubt you would accept such claims as evidence on other topics.
My EXPERIENCE convinces me. I really don't care whether it convinces anyone else. My job is to testify of things that are true, not to convince anyone that they are true.

It seems your theology has blinded you.

Did I not say I have EXPERIENCED some of these things? How does theology blind me into EXPERIENCING something manifest in the physical realm?

I shake my head...