Quite sure not one of these verses has "saving faith" in view, nor in context do they state that "saving faith" is infused into a person.
Can We Really Exercise Free Will?
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Quite sure not one of these verses has "saving faith" in view, nor in context do they state that "saving faith" is infused into a person.
Right here buddy.
Sure, like me, it might take 15 or 20 years to figure it out, but hey, its worth the time and effort.
[Jhn 21:10 KJV]
Jesus saith unto them, Bring of the fish which ye have now caught.
[Jhn 21:11 KJV]
Simon Peter went up, and drew the net to land full of great fishes, an hundred and fifty and three: and for all there were so many, yet was not the net broken.
@Cameron143 inserts things subtly that you highlighted well.
He began with "affected" which we could apply to "convicted". Then he inserted "determining" as being equivalent to "affected".
So God cleansing people's hearts by faith is not related to salvation at all in your God-negating theology?
That post by @Rufus is a hot mess. Not worth the time to address.
Most of the posts by the Reformed crowd are similar in nature, as you well know.
@Magenta posted a FRACTION of Acts 13:48, and promptly assigned Reformed doctrine to the passage.
I then replied with an astute analysis of the TRUE meaning in the Greek, and.........crickets.
Tricky passage BTW. But rightly interpreted, Calvinistic determinism is nowhere to be found.
https://hermeneutics.stackexchange....lieved-been-appointed-or-readied-and-prepared
"When the Gentiles heard this, they began to rejoice and praise the word of the Lord, and the many believers were put in order and organized for eternal life."
Or further anglicized:"When the Gentiles heard this, they began to rejoice and praise the word of the Lord, and the new believers were prepared* for eternal life."
What Studier wrote is likely the foundational presupposition/assumption to their false gospel. The commands in the bible are given for at least these three reasons: To reveal God's righteous, holy and good character, to reveal His supreme power and authority over all creation, and to reveal man's duty to his Creator. As showed yesterday, God gave the Law to Israel with the expectation of obedience to all His commandments always. Yet...for some strange reason Israel seemed to have missed the mark far and wide here and there...
Maybe the ‘strange reason’ is simply that Israel disobeyed God’s commands. Which only makes sense if the commands were actual summonses to obedience, not just to show God’s character
Nobody said they were just to show God's character. Can you read, or is it a massive
comprehension problem that you have paired with your far-reaching desire to deceive?
Also be reminded again for the umpteenth time that the natural man is incapable of submitting to God.
Oh I know you claim you believe what Scripture says but some of us see through your deceptions and know better.
You overlook so very much so you can shoehorn it into what you have been taught to think.
As though your personal answer to your own questions is a resounding "no"!
YOU are the one who gave God no credit for a man's faith. You have unequivocally stated that it's MAN himself (believers and unbelievers alike) who make the difference between accepting and rejecting the gospel. And...whatever YOU think the "work of God" is, you certainly do not recognize that work as being efficacious in nature, which accounts for why you ultimately have given sinners the credit for coming to faith. It was their will that ultimately was efficacious.
You pay good lip service to God though...I give ya that.
Yup. "affected"...."affected"....."determined".
Propping up bogus doctrine by use of legerdemain, shells and peas? Say it isn't so
Have you ever felt within your consciousness ideas and thoughts that you understand did not originate from you?
To some sense and degree this is how God speaks to us through our intellect within our consciousness and thoughts. These [Bearded Men] experienced this phenom within their consciousness and they wrote that on parchment. Essentially speaking here, they did not write their own idealisms but what was spoken to them.
Example would be the great Greek Philosophers. One in particular when writing about the Greco Mythology also wrote about the same events we read in Genesis 6 of the Torah [the LAW or first 5 Books of the Old Testament]. Word for word the Entities described matched the Bibles Fallen Angels and the Giants procreated by them.
In fact, Mesopotamia's most famous ancient book describing the world wide flood describes the same events surrounding the Ark, Noah, the Giants. This world wide event is literally found in every culture from the ancient past from the Asian peoples to the Native peoples of what is now North America.
James 1 v 2-4 Consider it pure joy my brothers, when you encounter trials of many kinds, because you know that the testing of your faith develops perseverance. Allow perseverance to finish its work, so that you may be mature and complete, not lacking anything.
They speak out of both sides of their mouth. Some might call it a forked tongue.
Which proves that Israel could only act according to their sinful nature. Israel sinned because they are sinners by nature.
And, yes, those commands were "summonses to obedience", which I pointed out in my post in different words. God revealed to his people their duty to Him! And He expected them to keep all His law all the time. Was God a madman!? How could He have such an unreasonable, impossible expectation? Didn't He know beforehand that the vast majority of the nation would fail? Why would God set the moral/spiritual bar so high if he knew his people would fall so low?
All these translations got it wrong, but lucky for us, you alone were able to find the "true" way that it should have been translated. Boy, lucky us! Not!
[Act 13:48 NIV] 48 When the Gentiles heard this, they were glad and honored the word of the Lord; and all who were appointed for eternal life believed.
[Act 13:48 KJV] 48 And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.
[Act 13:48 ESV] 48 And when the Gentiles heard this, they began rejoicing and glorifying the word of the Lord, and as many as were appointed to eternal life believed.
[Act 13:48 NASB20] 48 When the Gentiles heard this, they [began] rejoicing and glorifying the word of the Lord; and all who had been appointed to eternal life believed.
[Act 13:48 NASB95] 48 When the Gentiles heard this, they [began] rejoicing and glorifying the word of the Lord; and as many as had been appointed to eternal life believed.
[Act 13:48 LSB] 48 And when the Gentiles heard this, they [began] rejoicing and glorifying the word of the Lord, and as many as had been appointed to eternal life believed.
[Act 13:48 NET] 48 When the Gentiles heard this, they began to rejoice and praise the word of the Lord, and all who had been appointed for eternal life believed.
[Act 13:48 RSV] 48 And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad and glorified the word of God; and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.
[Act 13:48 ASV] 48 And as the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of God: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.
Ooohhhh you mean the "mission field".
No, but those epistles are written for them too.
Nope. Thank God that I actually took the time to do some detective work.
Now I OWN Acts 13:48.
Luck me huh?
I know, right? Thousands of years of history of the natural man... let us not forget starting with the
very first man himself, none other that Adam... disobeying God, but we have these heretics claiming
the natural man can obey God even when Scripture explicitly articulates the fact that he cannot.
But then they want us to believe that they believe what Scripture says! It becomes quite preposterous.
That's because FWers are a bunch of muddle-headed thinkers who rarely have a coherent thought course through their cobwebbed-filled attics. But I can tell you what they mean by "freewill", since they're probably too ashamed to admit it: Look up the definitions of Libertinism and/or "libertine". That will tell you in a nutshell what they believe about man's will; for they believe their will operates independently of their wicked hearts and sinful nature. They think they have a power that God Almighty himself doesn't possess: To change their own immutable nature with a simple choice.