Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

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For Rufus... I am looking through my post stream to see if I can find that 1 for Jordon...
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Psalm 36 verses 1-4 ~ An oracle is in my heart regarding the transgression of the wicked man: There is no fear of God before his eyes. For his eyes are too full of conceit to detect or hate his own sin. The words of his mouth are wicked and deceitful; he has ceased to be wise and well-doing. Even on his bed he plots wickedness; he sets himself on a path that is not good; he fails to reject evil.
Any ideas what am oracle on my heart means here, is an oracle referred to as a light has shone my heart.
 
No not really.

But your credibility really needs support. There is not much left of it.

Yeah, really it does!

So, answer my question: Since you have disavowed being saved by God's grace (since it's not necessary), on what do you base your salvation? Your "freewill" put you in Christ, did it?
 
Any ideas what am oracle on my heart means here, is an oracle referred to as a light has shone my heart.

The consensus among the most literal of my translations basically read along the lines of the YLT:

Ps 36:1
36:1 To the Overseer. — By a servant of Jehovah, by David. The transgression of the wicked Is affirming within my heart, 'Fear of God is not before his eyes,

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Probably means: God's word concerning the transgressions of a wicked man is in my heart
I've understood that, but I remember doing some research on the word oracle once, a while ago now it seems to have more than one meaning.

I remembered studying it, some where in Jeremiah i believe the lord said, and warned someone not to use the oracle falsely.

Then i started to wonder if there was more than one meaning to oracle.

I wondered if it was not just a light or a message but something else also.

But I can't recall finding that much written about the oracle
 
Finally home! Here is that panel as promised, @Jordon :)

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Jesus’ words in John 6 v 65 I told you that no one can come to me unless the Father has enabled them. Plus Colossians 1 v 21 and 2 v 13; Ephesians 2 v 1a and 3b; Philippians 1 v 6 and 2 v 13
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Any ideas what am oracle on my heart means here, is an oracle referred to as a light has shone my heart.
I see others have answered, but I did a quick googly type search anyways and found this:

"An oracle on/in my heart" means an inner spiritual message or revelation coming from deep within, often providing wisdom,
guidance, or clarity on a life path. In Psalm 36:1 it means a message concerning the wicked comes to the heart of the psalmist.


The psalmist has received a message (an oracle, an internal communication of God's truths) about the sinfulness of the wicked.

I did edit the finding to remove other new age type answers (Oracle cards etc).

It reminds me of how sometimes people will say something like, God has laid it on my heart to...

It is often a message conveyed to another, or a confession, or some task being asked of them...

It does very much point to a leading by the Holy Spirit of God.
 
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In that particular panel I deliberately chose a woman facing away
from the viewer to indicate having turned one's back on sin...


:D
 
Finally home! Here is that panel as promised, @Jordon :)

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Jesus’ words in John 6 v 65 I told you that no one can come to me unless the Father has enabled them. Plus Colossians 1 v 21 and 2 v 13; Ephesians 2 v 1a and 3b; Philippians 1 v 6 and 2 v 13
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This is much more simplified for me.

It's a a clear as the day is dawn.

I don't know how anyone can refute this scripture.

I think there is a possibility that all tho they have been enabled they then still have to choose.

But I can't see that, there wouldn't be any point in being enabled.if.your just not going to choose the right option.
 
This is much more simplified for me.

It's a a clear as the day is dawn.

I don't know how anyone can refute this scripture.

I think there is a possibility that all tho they have been enabled they then still have to choose.

But I can't see that, there wouldn't be any point in being enabled.if.your just not going to choose the right option.
Well, it is like 1 Cor 2:14... they say it doesn't mean what it plainly does.

And then one of our free willers went on about how there is only one mention of the natural man in Scripture,
as if the whole Bible does not juxtapose the natural man against the spiritual from beginning to end...


First comes the natural, and then the spiritual. We are born in Adam, the natural, and need to be reborn in Christ, the spiritual.

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"No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him." John 6 verse 44 The natural man does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God. For they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned. 1 Corinthians 2 verse 14 For the mind that is set on the flesh is hostile to God, for it does not submit to God's law; indeed, it cannot. Those who are in the flesh cannot please God. Romans 8 verse 7-8
 
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It came to my attention recently that when the natural man who does not comprehend the gospel
is mentioned, some (many more than one) of our free willers have no idea who that refers to! They
are so busy ascribing to the natural man what only the spiritual man is capable of that they completely
overlook what the Bible actually says of either of them. Overlook, contradict, and outright deny.


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In 1 Cor 2 verse 14, the natural man, still unsaved, cannot comprehend the spiritual things of God. He does not understand Christ’s atoning sacrifice, for that is foolishness to him (1 Cor 1 verse 18). The Holy Spirit Himself must convict him of its reality, and of his standing before God (John 16 verses 7-11).So this natural man is unregenerated, one who does not have the Holy Spirit residing within him. As Jesus said, “Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit” (John 3 verse 6).
 
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2Tim 1:9 doesn't need to address "the temporal reception of grace" because God gave that Grace to his chosen people in eternity, which guaranteed the elect's "temporal reception". Can anything in this universe thwart God's purpose?

God gave that Grace to his elect ("US") in Christ before time began. And the fact that the grace was given to specific individuals in Christ, tells us that God chose specific people in Christ also before the foundation of the world. The world is not in Christ! Did God make the New Covenant with the entire world? Or did He make that covenant with God's covenant people? Or did God promise to instill the fear of Himself into the entire world or with just his covenant people?

Again, I and I'm sure others here understand your theories.
 
Yes I’ve wondered the same and notices Adam was on the garden with the tree of life then he was tempted and sinned and cast out . But I noticed Jesus is promising us entrance into the paradise of god and the right to eat of the tree of life
yes ... patiently waiting ...




Pilgrimshope said:
sort of Adams transgression led here

So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭3:24‬ ‭KJV‬‬
yes ... Gen 2:15 tells us Adam was placed in Eden to dress and to keep it. When Adam and Eve sinned, they were removed from the garden and the cherubim were placed at the east to keep the way of the tree of life.




Pilgrimshope said:
But Christ overcoming leads here

“Blessed are they that do his commandments, ( like Adam did not ) that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭22:14‬ ‭

“He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭2:7‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Adam set us off course Christ came to bring us back on course
Revelation 22:7 Behold, I come quickly: blessed is he that keepeth the sayings of the prophecy of this book.
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Eve was successfully seduced by Satan's lies. That was the spark that lit her desire. She was duped into thinking that God was withholding a number of facts and truths.

And she believed Satan, who basically called God a liar, evel, and the originator of evil.
yes Eve was deceived by that old serpent ... thank God for His eternal purpose which He purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord ... :cool:
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So a just and righteous God would punish the sinless innocent? On what judicial basis?
where did I state that Adam was "the sinless innocent"? Adam ate of the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. God told Adam what would be the consequence of eating from the tree (Gen 2:17). Adam knew he would die ... we just don't know if Adam knew the full ramification of what it was to die.

Adam left his Father and joined his wife (Gen 2:24).

Did Adam make the right decision? does it matter at this point in time?

Adam did what he did ... God knew what satan would do in beguiling Eve ... God knew what Eve would do ... God knew what Adam would do ... God is the One Who established His plan of redemption in eternity past ... we are just living through that plan and we either believe what God wrote in Scripture (or Scripture a faithful believer preaches) or we don't ... whatever decision we make determines where we will spend eternity future.

there are only two choices we have when Scripture is presented to us ... believe ... or suppress the truth in unrighteousness.

Deuteronomy 30:19-20a I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live: That thou mayest love the LORD thy God, and that thou mayest obey his voice, and that thou mayest cleave unto him: for he is thy life, and the length of thy days ...
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This is much more simplified for me.

It's a a clear as the day is dawn.

I don't know how anyone can refute this scripture.

I think there is a possibility that all tho they have been enabled they then still have to choose.

But I can't see that, there wouldn't be any point in being enabled.if.your just not going to choose the right option.

But FWers here have certainly tried! "Enabled" to a FWer only means that God plugs a person into a cosmic outlet (in a manner of speaking), but that person has to choose with his/her "freewill" to turn on the switch. Everything God does has only potential enabling power, just like He's a potential savior. Each individual has to use his "freewill" to choose to activate that power, which FWers usually label as an "opportunity".
 
where did I state that Adam was "the sinless innocent"? Adam ate of the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. God told Adam what would be the consequence of eating from the tree (Gen 2:17). Adam knew he would die ... we just don't know if Adam knew the full ramification of what it was to die.

Adam left his Father and joined his wife (Gen 2:24).

Did Adam make the right decision? does it matter at this point in time?

Adam did what he did ... God knew what satan would do in beguiling Eve ... God knew what Eve would do ... God knew what Adam would do ... God is the One Who established His plan of redemption in eternity past ... we are just living through that plan and we either believe what God wrote in Scripture (or Scripture a faithful believer preaches) or we don't ... whatever decision we make determines where we will spend eternity future.

there are only two choices we have when Scripture is presented to us ... believe ... or suppress the truth in unrighteousness.

Deuteronomy 30:19-20a I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live: That thou mayest love the LORD thy God, and that thou mayest obey his voice, and that thou mayest cleave unto him: for he is thy life, and the length of thy days ...
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Did you not say earlier that if Adam had not sinned, he would have still been condemned anyway?
 
Again, I and I'm sure others here understand your theories.

You, too, understand my so-called theories! That's why you ignored my questions pertaining to the New Covenant. :rolleyes:

Since Paul wrote "us" in 2Tim 1:9, then he was referring to very specific people and he included himself in with Timothy. He knew he was in Christ and he knew Timothy was as well. TWO individuals. The world is not in Christ. Nor is each and every person on the planet w/o exception. God does not give saving grace to each and every person because he determined (if I dare use this term) to not give any grace to the proud. He only gives grace to the humble. And there are no humble people outside of Christ; for Christ himself was the paragon of humility, meekness and mildness.
 
But FWers here have certainly tried! "Enabled" to a FWer only means that God plugs a person into a cosmic outlet (in a manner of speaking), but that person has to choose with his/her "freewill" to turn on the switch. Everything God does has only potential enabling power, just like He's a potential savior. Each individual has to use his "freewill" to choose to activate that power, which FWers usually label as an "opportunity".
laughable really, really that making God look stupid, but more than likely doing what a lot of people do m, putting God inside a box.

The only thing I have some element of concern over is whether the person still has to to choose after they've been enabled.

Which would then fall into empowering grace, if once they've been enabled they then don't have to choose, does it fall into irresistible grace, I get confused over that idea it stuck in my head long ago.