It was to answer the original question that prompted that response about Reformed idealism.
This was that question:
"Why did God permit for the Fall of Man to happen?"
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Can We Really Exercise Free Will?
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This was that question:
"Why did God permit for the Fall of Man to happen?"
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If you think they've got foreknew screwed up wait till you get to predestined.
Predestined of course meaning that believers have the Covenant benefits of being integrated into the plan of God Who works in conjunction with (albeit often times in spite of) their own free will, making the necessary adjustments to have them reach the ultimate destination.
In the future. Future destination. Prepared future destination.
Abraham screwed up Moses screwed up David screwed up everybody screwed up.
But God had a workaround for all of it. Because He had a plan. And His plans always work.
Because He knows everything. And He is outside of time. And He is impeccably faithful.
A (cough cough) striking example of which is a course Numbers 20 speak to the Rock vs. strike the Rock. And the fact that the Prophet could not enter the land as conqueror as a result of this disobedience. Which means that Joshua ended up entering the land as Leader and Commander. Which of course fulfills the necessary biblical types.
All of which is to say of course than no Calvinist here understands in the least of what I'm even talking about. Which of course is a perfectly normal situation for them. Not a good situation but a normal situation.
This is silly. God's motivation for all He does is His glory. His goal was always to fill the earth with the knowledge of His glory. That's why He made man in His image and tasked him with being fruitful and multiplying. Had sin not entered in, the earth would have been filled with the knowledge of the glory of the Lord. But this would not have filled the earth in the greatest way with God's glory. By allowing man to fall, mankind would know God's mercy and grace and love at a much deeper level. Further, the sovereignty, justice, and omnipotence of God are on greater display and experience. In addition, the fall allowed mankind to become partakers of the divine nature which allows for a more intimate manner, and to become a whole new humanity. In all these ways and more, man's experience of God becomes fuller and fuller allowing more of the knowledge of the glory of the Lord to be known.
The Bible isn't concerned with what Satan has done, but is about the great things God has done.
yep well at least I know when to back down.
Anyhow i don't expect any reasonable honesty from yourself.
So I wont be discussing any more with you, seeing as you can't admit your mistakes, or apologize for your conduct here.
And I'm not surprised judging by your comments.
For His Glory which is the display of His absolute holiness (integrity) and fairness for all creation to see and take awe in.
I have yet to see much in the way of useful biblical inputs into this thread from this person.
Like any good referee this person is not playing the game I guess.
It's about the fulness of all His attributes being on display. God is equally glorified in all His attributes and ways.
Wrong again.
In fact the Bible is intensely concerned with what Satan has done.
All of the facts and scenarios incidences contingent with his fall are now being being recorded. Then, at the judgment when court convenes on the matter, with all of the witnesses present, all of creation will know exactly what happened.
With the intended result that it never happen again. And to prove once and for all God is always right, always fair and always just.
Wrong again.
As Job 1&2 (and many other incidences) prove conclusively, Satan is a free will agent.
And as this verse proves, the evil he does is solely of his own innate will.
[Jhn 8:44 KJV]
44 Ye are of [your] father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
Devastating the entire creation is hardly unimportant either. Neither is the necessity of the incarnation and crucifixion. Quite the contrary.