Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

[BillyBob]

You clearly have never lived with tumbleweed. It dries up and will burst into fire spontaneously. So seeing a bush on fire without being on fire would be something spectacular. Just knowing that you know so little about such things reveals why you are easily manipulated by your Doctrines.

Question: do tumbleweed burst into flame
Answer: AI Overview

No, tumbleweeds do not burst into flame on their own, but they are extremely flammable and can catch fire and burn very quickly with a spark or other heat source. This is a major fire hazard in the dry, arid regions where they are common.

 

[Jordon]

Who the hell cares?
What are you proving?

Without this pet doctrine of yours, you would have nothing to talk about!

It keeps others locked in the house unable to go out and explore the neighborhood.

Just drop it!
So... You got your perspective.
We think it's idiocy.
And, you think you are too wise for us.

That's been firmly established.

There you have it.

It looks like when you get given friendly advice you don't listen.

So I won't be giving it anymore, but I've changed my mind when I said your annoyance with other people was a bit much, its actually quite intimidating,

 

[lrs68]

There you go making assumptions again!
I grew up in Oklahoma near the Arkansas River, and tumbleweed were everywhere. I have never seen one burst into flames. However, I have seen many tumbling along.
But again, it is good to know that you are an expert on such matters!

Areas like where Moshe was at near Egypt desert is much like Arizona and the high deserts of Colorado. Several cabins have burnt down over tumbleweed and modern day homes.

 

[Cameron143]

But how many times do we have to say it is not free without grace before you hear it?

You are preaching to the choir. I'm not the one who says otherwise.

 

[Magenta]

If this were the only passage of scripture on the subject, I would agree with you. However, there
is ample scripture that teaches that the will is not free, but impacted in a variety of ways.

Not only not free, but actually incapable of doing the very thing these heretics espouse. Their idolatry is blatantly evident.

 

[lrs68]

If this were the only passage of scripture on the subject, I would agree with you. However, there is ample scripture that teaches that the will is not free, but impacted in a variety of ways.

It could also represent there's times when free will is the best description and other places showing God's Will overriding the whole scenario. I believe both are apparent throughout Scripture.

 

[Cameron143]

Not only not free, but actually incapable of doing the very thing these heretics espouse. Their idolatry is blatantly evident.

It isn't their doctrine that bothers me, but the lack of spirituality exercised.

 

[Cameron143]

It could also represent there's times when free will is the best description and other places showing God's Will overriding the whole scenario. I believe both are apparent throughout Scripture.

You have people making choices and are equating that to free will. It's not the same thing. It's not difficult to show from scripture if you like.

 

[Magenta]

It isn't their doctrine that bothers me, but the lack of spirituality exercised.

It is quite bizarre how something that is nowhere articulated in Scripture gets elevated to the
point where they are willing to throw over a plethora of verses that contradict what they idolize.

Jesus said it best: they teach as doctrine the precepts of men.

 

[lrs68]

Question: do tumbleweed burst into flame
Answer: AI Overview

No, tumbleweeds do not burst into flame on their own, but they are extremely flammable and can catch fire and burn very quickly with a spark or other heat source. This is a major fire hazard in the dry, arid regions where they are common.

Many dry weeds are highly flammable and can accelerate wildfires, but only a few species are known to have properties that allow for rare instances of spontaneous combustion. The most common fire-prone weeds are tumbleweeds and oily shrubs.

 

[lrs68]

You have people making choices and are equating that to free will. It's not the same thing. It's not difficult to show from scripture if you like.

My position is people making choices after God makes the initial manifestation. The Person is on their way to becoming saved but they're still in a natural man state when they choose to engage with God's initial motive. That is free will.

 

[BillyBob]

The Person is on their way to becoming saved

How in the world did such a thing take place? Is it the same thing as a bush setting itself on fire?

 

[Magenta]

1 Corinthians 3 v 19-21a, 1 Corinthians 1 v 19 ~ The wisdom of this world is foolishness in God’s sight. As it is written: “He catches the wise in their craftiness.” And again, “The Lord knows that the thoughts of the wise are futile.” Therefore, stop boasting in men. For it is written: “I will destroy the wisdom of the wise; the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate.”

 

[lrs68]

How in the world did such a thing take place? Is it the same thing as a bush setting itself on fire?

You gave me an AI response while I provided a scientific statement proving in some forms of tumbleweed the oils can spontaneously burst into flames.

But to this issue one going from natural man to saved has to be a process. Even when one is Regenerated the Bible Itself explains a process has taken place.

 

[Magenta]

2 Corinthians 4 verses 5-7 ~ We do not proclaim ourselves, but Jesus Christ as Lord, and ourselves as your servants for Jesus’ sake. For God, who said, “Let light shine out of darkness,” made His light shine in our hearts to give us the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ. Now we have this treasure in jars of clay to show that this surpassingly great power is from God and not from us.

 

[Magenta]

2 Peter 3 v 15-16 ~ Consider also that our Lord’s patience brings salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote you with the wisdom God gave him. He writes this way in all his letters, speaking in them about such matters. Some parts of his letters are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the rest of the Scriptures, to their own destruction.

 

[Cameron143]

My position is people making choices after God makes the initial manifestation. The Person is on their way to becoming saved but they're still in a natural man state when they choose to engage with God's initial motive. That is free will.

How do you understand Romans 6:16-18?

 

[Magenta]

2 Timothy 1 verse 9~ He has saved us and called us to a holy calling, not because of our works, but by His own purpose and by the grace He granted us in Christ Jesus before time began. Ephesians 1 verses 4-5~ He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world to be holy and blameless in His presence. In love He predestined us for adoption as His sons through Jesus Christ, according to the good pleasure of His will. Ephesians 1 verse 11~ In Him we were also chosen as God’s own, having been predestined according to the plan of Him who works out everything by the counsel of His will.

 

[Magenta]

How do you understand Romans 6:16-18?

From Romans 6 v 16-18 ~ Do you not know that you are slaves to the one you obey, whether you are slaves to sin leading to death, or to obedience leading to righteousness? But thanks be to God that, though you once were slaves to sin, you wholeheartedly obeyed the form of teaching to which you were committed. You have been set free from sin and have become slaves to righteousness.

 

[lrs68]

How do you understand Romans 6:16-18?

It clearly shows a brief process of going from slavery to sin to becoming obedient to God and ultimately to righteousness.