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It's not that one wants America to be punished, but to whom much is given much is required. We've had the blessings of God and turned our nose up at Him. We've cursed Him in our media, We've molested and abused His innocent ones. We've been defiant before Him. Other nations have looked to us to set the example
Even the topic we are addressing in this forum re: Israel. At the conference of Evian, France in the late 1930's , 32 nations of asylum met to discuss what was the beginning of Hitlers war against the Jews. These nations discussed increasing their quotas of immigrants they would allow in. Everyone expected America, of all nations, to be benevolent. Remember the Emma Lazarus poem on the Statue of Liberty? But we would not increase quotas nor would we break diplomatic relations at that juncture with Germsny. There were only about 3 small nations who helped of the 32. How many lives might have been saved. The genocide had not yet started. But there came a day when they were trapped.
Again, you expect more from those whom the Lord has blessed! We kill our babies, our elderly, our parents because they wouldn't buy us our favorite tennis shoes. We complain about drug cartels but we buy it from them and sell it on the streets and destroy our own. I took a course in Ancient Rome and it was incredible how much our lifestyles mimicked them. We just haven't fed our people to the lions,....yet!

Dan 4:34 And at the end of the days I Nebuchadnezzar lifted up mine eyes unto heaven, and mine understanding returned unto me, and I blessed the most High, and I praised and honoured him that liveth for ever, whose dominion is an everlasting dominion, and his kingdom is from generation to generation:
Dan 4:35 And all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing: and he doeth according to his will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth: and none can stay his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou?

Rom 13:1 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.

No power can rule unless God allows it.

I believe America has a dual purpose to start the separation process between those that love the truth and those who do not.

And to start the process that will change the course of the world causing them to establish a world that is not the operation of God but exalts people.

Which God is allowing so He can end sin on earth for He will not force them.

She allows the Gospel to be preached in the nation and the world.

Has somewhat of a moral base.

But she allows the pursuit of money, fleshy pleasures, and worldliness, that ensnares people.

She allows the occult to be practiced there even Satanism.

1Ti 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
1Ti 4:2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron

2Ti 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
2Ti 4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

The new age agenda that interprets the Bible according to the occult and evolution, and people are going to evolve to be spiritual, and greater, and Jesus became an ascended master among others, and there is no personal God, but they honor the God of forces the power of nature, and the New Age Christ is the next world teacher.

The time will come that people will not want to hear the truth of the Bible but want to hear it according to the new age.

The new age is an American plan.

Dan 7:11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.
Dan 7:12 As concerning the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away: yet their lives were prolonged for a season and time.

Daniel had a vision of 4 kingdoms, Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece, and the Roman Empire.

The Roman Empire does not lose her dominion until Jesus puts down the world.

Babylon, Medo-Persia, and Greece will never have physical dominion again but their ways are still on earth.

Rev 18:2 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.
Rev 18:3 For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.
Rev 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.
Rev 18:5 For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities.

Rev 18:7 How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her: for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow.
Rev 18:8 Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her.
Rev 18:9 And the kings of the earth, who have committed fornication and lived deliciously with her, shall bewail her, and lament for her, when they shall see the smoke of her burning,
Rev 18:10 Standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying, Alas, alas, that great city Babylon, that mighty city! for in one hour is thy judgment come.

Some people believe America is not in the Bible but this is America.

Babylon will never have physical dominion again so this is Babylon in spirit.

Which America resurrected the Babylonian system which she represents the occult, human religion, the kingdom of man, which the new age and the beast kingdom are all about.

Which the new age agenda is an American plan and the key to why the beast system happens.

Which she lived deliciously and in pleasure and is a sinful nation loving the ways of the flesh.

She did trade with the world prospering the world.

Which the world trade center is in New York.

The religious system of Babylon was primarily polytheistic, involving the worship of numerous deities with the main God Murdok which king Nebuchadnezzar acknowledged the God of the Jews as the main God.

Which America allows all religions to be practiced there with the God of the Bible the main God.

The majority of the Jewish population lived in ancient Babylon.

It was the home to most of the world’s Jews even in the time of Christ.

Today, the largest population of Jewish people is found in the United States.

Babylon was the critical factor of the world's economy where today it is America.

The USA is the big promoter of international trade and promotes imports plus free trade.

Iraq plays no such role in the world economy.

These scriptures do not describe Iraq at the end time who is modern day Babylon.

It is America who has the Babylonian spirit for Babylon will never have physical dominion again which Iraq does not.

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The top leaders of the Republicans and Democrats are actually working together which is the Hegel System which they set up 2 opposing forces and then they harmonize them together with a balance between them which they believe is a better system than either system alone and it brings the people together.

Which on the back of the dollar bill, Announcing the conception of a new order of the ages, and out of many, one.

America and Russia were working together the whole time as the 2 opposing forces of the Hegel System.

Which the one world government will be a balance between democracy and communism, and the unified religious system a balance between atheism and spirituality, the new age christianity which they believe they are going to evolve to be spiritual, and greater.

WW1, League of Nations, WW2, United Nations, a set up to get the nations governments to work for peace on earth.

The Ukraine war a set up to get the people of the world to be on board for a one world government.

As soon as Israel and Hamas started fighting the nations started spewing out threats, and warnings, dividing themselves choosing sides, as a scare tactic, and to set the stage for the New Age Christ to negotiate peace in the Middle East resulting in a peace treaty for the world.

North Korea and America, Taiwan and China, a set up, and any other conflicts a set up.

Controlled conflict brings about controlled change.

Alice Bailey the biggest prophet of the new age said there is an outer circle and inner circle of the occult and the inner circle is the true church.

She was married to a Freemason who agreed with her occult teachings and theosophy.

Pope Leo XIV claims to be a Jesuit which they are connected with Freemasonry and he is from America.

Since the Roman Empire does not lose her dominion until Jesus puts down the world the Pope and Vatican will embrace the new age interpretation of the Bible.

Giving support to the New Age Christ and influence in the world.

America is Babylon in spirit at the end time and the key to the beast kingdom.

I believe America is an occult nation that allows Christianity and all religions and all ethnic groups to show the world that all people can get along despite their differences to gather the world together.

I do not believe the forefathers had the correct perspective of the Bible.

They could not of revealed their true beliefs for many Christians made up the nation and they would not be able to have power to establish their reality for they would of been shunned.

But of course you want to side with your enemies and then change the interpretation of it through the years.

Like a song played on the piano and the people say it is truth.

Then change one note and let that play for a while and the people say it is truth.

Then change one note and let that play for a while and the people say it is truth.

Until it is a whole new song and the people say it is truth.

Which in this case is the new age christianity which is of the occult.

The new age had a hand in the 1960's counter culture movement, feminism, LGBTQ+, and the Woke movement.

They have to knock down the major influences in society to be able to influence society which are white people, men, straight, and Christian, and boost the minor influences.

The Woke movement will accept the new age so they are trying to make it the major influence.

Marilyn Ferguson wrote a book The Aquarian Conspiracy on how to influence society to reflect the new age and she said change children's education which they influence the children so they will be accepting of the Woke movement.

I believe the American government wanted the counter culture movement.

Which President Trump's daughter who is a Jewish convert and his son in law follow the Kabbalah which is a mystic, occult, interpretation of the Bible like the new age and they were both on his staff.

Also the new age christianity is the biggest threat to Christianity in the history of the Church.

A much bigger threat than Islam and will cause the world to rebel against God which the antichrist will be of the new age.

But Trump will cry about Islam being a threat but will not say anything about the new age being a threat.

Especially after the shooting attempt on him which he said God saved him to save America and the world.

Should he not know of the deceitful new age and warn people against it.

I believe from the forefathers to Trump they had a plan they could not reveal and let the New Age Christ push the new age.

They had to allow Christianity because they had to allow all religions to be allowed in America which was part of the plan.

And they said God bless you, they went to Church, and embraced the Bible, to take the focus off the real agenda.

They wanted to keep the Christians from raising a big fuss so they said and did things to cater to them.

And they made them believe Christian principles would come back to keep them quiet and settled down and gave them hope.

And the Christians did not cause a big fuss and the plan continued.

And they laughed at how they pulled the wool over the Christian's eyes.

And they frolicked playfully like children, and danced, and twirled about.

And drank alcohol of every sort and toasted each other.

And gave each other high fives from every position, low fives, high fives, and in between, and to the right and to to left, in front and behind the back.

And the plan continued.

Because the Christians could of shut them down if they knew what was really going on.

And now it is too late for they are setting the stage for the New Age Christ.

Science is putting forth the new age beliefs.

Which they say we do not cease to exist after death and the Bible is true.

Saying they are giving the correct interpretation of the Bible by having new discoveries giving them a new perspective of things and the Christians are interpreting the Bible wrong.

Saying Christianity is not for modern times.
 
My personal belief is that there wont be a physical kingdom coming down from the heavens,but it will be like it is now but even greater.That God's people will have a more connected,personal relationship with Jesus.That we will see him in the flesh and hear his Holy Spirit on a scale as never before.
I feel like that for some people that might seem disappointing but to have Jesus,a King and our God come over into our homes and break bread would be the best thing ever.
Wonderful .

i see it like this

“In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭1:1‬ ‭KJV‬‬

And then this

“The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants thereof; because they have transgressed the laws, changed the ordinance, broken the everlasting covenant. Therefore hath the curse devoured the earth, and they that dwell therein are desolate: therefore the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men left.

….The earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard, and shall be removed like a cottage; and the transgression thereof shall be heavy upon it; and it shall fall, and not rise again.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭24:5-6, 20‬ ‭

and then this

“For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind. But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭65:17-18‬ ‭

and finally this

“But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.”
‭‭2 Peter‬ ‭3:10, 13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

i think that’s what we’re seeing here

“And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. ( that’s the thing he was telling people all along )

And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭21:1-4‬ ‭KJV‬‬


I think revelation is based on the doctrine which tells us this world is going to end with a blaze of fire and a new one God will reveal where the new Jerusalem will be his city and the whole earth will be filled with Christian believers in all the nations

and that people will travel to Jerusalem and celebrate each year and worship the lord like some of those prophecies tell us .
 
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The new Jerusalem comes down to a new earth AFTER the Millennial age though.

Jesus still reigns in Jerusalem on earth during the Millennial age.

Is it that you don't believe in the Millennial age to come? That's okay, God will still include you in living here during that time even if you don't believe it right now.


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Yeah we also disagree about the “ millennium “
 
18For you have not come to the mountain that may be touched and that burned with fire, and to blackness and darkness and tempest, 19and the sound of a trumpet and the voice of words, so that those who heard it begged that the word should not be spoken to them anymore. 20(For they could not endure what was commanded: “And if so much as a beast touches the mountain, it shall be stoned or shot with an arrow.” 21And so terrifying was the sight that Moses said, “I am exceedingly afraid and trembling.”)
22But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, to an innumerable company of angels, 23to the general assembly and church of the firstborn who are registered in heaven, to God the Judge of all, to the spirits of just men made perfect, 24to Jesus the Mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaks better things than that of Abel.
Amen

“These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth. For they that say such things declare plainly that they seek a country. But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭11:13-14, 16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭3:12‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.

But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭4:25-26‬ ‭KJV‬‬

In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.”
‭‭John‬ ‭14:2-3‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:19‬ ‭

“After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; and cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭7:9-10‬ ‭KJV‬‬
 
What do you want to do about it other than complain about the US on a Christian forum?


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I want to reach those who will be reached for the Lord but I cant close my eyes to the truth. But I dont want to delude myself by what I see around me. I think about Deitrich Bonhoeffer, a pastor in WWII. He was from Germany but he realized his country had become godless and immoral. Such vicious acts could have never happened on Germsn soil if there had been a society that had not given way to debauchery. His idea was God just let us fall, then we can basically repent and start over again. But Bonhoeffer believed they had time. If we are as close to the end as most believe, we cant keep playing with God. In the book of Genesis, prior to the Flood, the Lord says His Spirit will not. always strive with man. People make up nations. Many nations have fallen or never returned to former glory who dishonored God.
I believe God created America to be a beacon of hope and an example of the God who formed us, but we still have free will. And He honors that.
 
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The top leaders of the Republicans and Democrats are actually working together which is the Hegel System which they set up 2 opposing forces and then they harmonize them together with a balance between them which they believe is a better system than either system alone and it brings the people together.

Which on the back of the dollar bill, Announcing the conception of a new order of the ages, and out of many, one.

America and Russia were working together the whole time as the 2 opposing forces of the Hegel System.

Which the one world government will be a balance between democracy and communism, and the unified religious system a balance between atheism and spirituality, the new age christianity which they believe they are going to evolve to be spiritual, and greater.

WW1, League of Nations, WW2, United Nations, a set up to get the nations governments to work for peace on earth.

The Ukraine war a set up to get the people of the world to be on board for a one world government.

As soon as Israel and Hamas started fighting the nations started spewing out threats, and warnings, dividing themselves choosing sides, as a scare tactic, and to set the stage for the New Age Christ to negotiate peace in the Middle East resulting in a peace treaty for the world.

North Korea and America, Taiwan and China, a set up, and any other conflicts a set up.

Controlled conflict brings about controlled change.

Alice Bailey the biggest prophet of the new age said there is an outer circle and inner circle of the occult and the inner circle is the true church.

She was married to a Freemason who agreed with her occult teachings and theosophy.

Pope Leo XIV claims to be a Jesuit which they are connected with Freemasonry and he is from America.

Since the Roman Empire does not lose her dominion until Jesus puts down the world the Pope and Vatican will embrace the new age interpretation of the Bible.

Giving support to the New Age Christ and influence in the world.

America is Babylon in spirit at the end time and the key to the beast kingdom.

I believe America is an occult nation that allows Christianity and all religions and all ethnic groups to show the world that all people can get along despite their differences to gather the world together.

I do not believe the forefathers had the correct perspective of the Bible.

They could not of revealed their true beliefs for many Christians made up the nation and they would not be able to have power to establish their reality for they would of been shunned.

But of course you want to side with your enemies and then change the interpretation of it through the years.

Like a song played on the piano and the people say it is truth.

Then change one note and let that play for a while and the people say it is truth.

Then change one note and let that play for a while and the people say it is truth.

Until it is a whole new song and the people say it is truth.

Which in this case is the new age christianity which is of the occult.

The new age had a hand in the 1960's counter culture movement, feminism, LGBTQ+, and the Woke movement.

They have to knock down the major influences in society to be able to influence society which are white people, men, straight, and Christian, and boost the minor influences.

The Woke movement will accept the new age so they are trying to make it the major influence.

Marilyn Ferguson wrote a book The Aquarian Conspiracy on how to influence society to reflect the new age and she said change children's education which they influence the children so they will be accepting of the Woke movement.

I believe the American government wanted the counter culture movement.

Which President Trump's daughter who is a Jewish convert and his son in law follow the Kabbalah which is a mystic, occult, interpretation of the Bible like the new age and they were both on his staff.

Also the new age christianity is the biggest threat to Christianity in the history of the Church.

A much bigger threat than Islam and will cause the world to rebel against God which the antichrist will be of the new age.

But Trump will cry about Islam being a threat but will not say anything about the new age being a threat.

Especially after the shooting attempt on him which he said God saved him to save America and the world.

Should he not know of the deceitful new age and warn people against it.

I believe from the forefathers to Trump they had a plan they could not reveal and let the New Age Christ push the new age.

They had to allow Christianity because they had to allow all religions to be allowed in America which was part of the plan.

And they said God bless you, they went to Church, and embraced the Bible, to take the focus off the real agenda.

They wanted to keep the Christians from raising a big fuss so they said and did things to cater to them.

And they made them believe Christian principles would come back to keep them quiet and settled down and gave them hope.

And the Christians did not cause a big fuss and the plan continued.

And they laughed at how they pulled the wool over the Christian's eyes.

And they frolicked playfully like children, and danced, and twirled about.

And drank alcohol of every sort and toasted each other.

And gave each other high fives from every position, low fives, high fives, and in between, and to the right and to to left, in front and behind the back.

And the plan continued.

Because the Christians could of shut them down if they knew what was really going on.

And now it is too late for they are setting the stage for the New Age Christ.

Science is putting forth the new age beliefs.

Which they say we do not cease to exist after death and the Bible is true.

Saying they are giving the correct interpretation of the Bible by having new discoveries giving them a new perspective of things and the Christians are interpreting the Bible wrong.

Saying Christianity is not for modern times.
I agree with much you have shared and especially the biblical portions. With re: to leadership I am also glad you are bold enough to not take what politicians say at face value or because they are simply trying to win the Christian vote. It's time we realize that to expect leaders who themselves do not live lives that demonstrate they know God, to be able to lead us in the ways of God. Isn't that the blind leading those who choose to be blind to truth?
 
You understand israel was scattered by Babylon aroind 600 bc ? and then god gathered them back to the land ….before the messiah came with thier promised covenant and salvation ?

This re-gathering is from every corner of the world, where they will never be uprooted again. That has not happened, but it will.
 
I want to reach those who will be reached for the Lord but I cant close my eyes to the truth. But I dont want to delude myself by what I see around me. I think about Deitrich Bonhoeffer, a pastor in WWII. He was from Germany but he realized his country had become godless and immoral. Such vicious acts could have never happened on Germsn soil if there had been a society that had not given way to debauchery. His idea was God just let us fall, then we can basically repent and start over again. But Bonhoeffer believed they had time. If we are as close to the end as most believe, we cant keep playing with God. In the book of Genesis, prior to the Flood, the Lord says His Spirit will not. always strive with man. People make up nations. Many nations have fallen or never returned to former glory who dishonored God.
I believe God created America to be a beacon of hope and an example of the God who formed us, but we still have free will. And He honors that.


So you just "want to reach those who will be reached for the Lord" but haven't already been doing that. Okay.

That still doesn't mean that the US is the Babylon in the book of Revelation. Babylon is not a nation. It might not even be city from what I'm reading right now.

Since you're in the "want to reach those..." stage and haven't actually started that yet, you can pray for this nation in the meantime. If you see it straying away from God then pray that God turns the nation back to Himself instead of complaining about it on a Christian forum.


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This re-gathering is from every corner of the world, where they will never be uprooted again. That has not happened, but it will.
Yeah it will !!

“But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken.

And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory. And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭13:24-27‬ ‭KJV‬‬

In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.”
‭‭John‬ ‭14:2-3‬ ‭KJV‬‬
 
18For you have not come to the mountain that may be touched and that burned with fire, and to blackness and darkness and tempest, 19and the sound of a trumpet and the voice of words, so that those who heard it begged that the word should not be spoken to them anymore. 20(For they could not endure what was commanded: “And if so much as a beast touches the mountain, it shall be stoned or shot with an arrow.” 21And so terrifying was the sight that Moses said, “I am exceedingly afraid and trembling.”)
22But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, to an innumerable company of angels, 23to the general assembly and church of the firstborn who are registered in heaven, to God the Judge of all, to the spirits of just men made perfect, 24to Jesus the Mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaks better things than that of Abel.
18For you have not come to the mountain that may be touched and that burned with fire, and to blackness and darkness and tempest, 19and the sound of a trumpet and the voice of words, so that those who heard it begged that the word should not be spoken to them anymore. “

“And it came to pass on the third day in the morning, that there were thunders and lightnings, and a thick cloud upon the mount, and the voice of the trumpet exceeding loud; so that all the people that was in the camp trembled.

And Moses brought forth the people out of the camp to meet with God; and they stood at the nether part of the mount. And mount Sinai was altogether on a smoke, because the LORD descended upon it in fire: and the smoke thereof ascended as the smoke of a furnace, and the whole mount quaked greatly. And when the voice of the trumpet sounded long, and waxed louder and louder, Moses spake, and God answered him by a voice. And the LORD came down upon mount Sinai, on the top of the mount: and the LORD called Moses up to the top of the mount; and Moses went up. And the LORD said unto Moses, Go down, charge the people, lest they break through unto the LORD to gaze, and many of them perish.”
‭‭Exodus‬ ‭19:16-21‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And all the people saw the thunderings, and the lightnings, and the noise of the trumpet, and the mountain smoking: and when the people saw it, they removed, and stood afar off. And they said unto Moses, Speak thou with us, and we will hear: but let not God speak with us, lest we die.”
‭‭Exodus‬ ‭20:18-19‬ ‭KJV‬‬
 
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Yeah we also disagree about the “ millennium “

Don't worry about it. It'll still happen whether you believe or not! We will all get to enjoy the world with Jesus as our King. And then after the 1,000 years and kicking satan in the butt for the last time, we get to enjoy being with God the Father too. in the new earth and new jerusalem.

So do you see the progression? We get the Holy Spirit now, then King Jesus face-to-face in the Millenium too, and then finally, we also get God the Father right with us in the new earth and new Jerusalem!


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Don't worry about it. It'll still happen whether you believe or not! We will all get to enjoy the world with Jesus as our King. And then after the 1,000 years and kicking satan in the butt for the last time, we get to enjoy being with God the Father too. in the new earth and new jerusalem.

So do you see the progression? We get the Holy Spirit now, then King Jesus face-to-face in the Millenium too, and then finally, we also get God the Father right with us in the new earth and new Jerusalem!


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yeah I understand your opinion you’ve been pretty clear

and hold on ….. “We will all get to enjoy the world with Jesus as our King. “

so your saying gentiles are going to reign for a thousand years lol? Now gentiles are blessed by the law of Moses and Israel’s land laws they never kept too ?
 
yeah I understand your opinion you’ve been pretty clear
and hold on ….. “We will all get to enjoy the world with Jesus as our King. “

so your saying gentiles are going to reign for a thousand years lol? Now gentiles are blessed by the law of Moses and Israel’s land laws they never kept too ?


It doesn't say that in Revelation. And this the Lord Jesus we're talking about.

Do you honestly think King Jesus will put everyone under Moses and Israel laws??? When He died for us so we don't have to be subject to any of that???


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This re-gathering is from every corner of the world, where they will never be uprooted again. That has not happened, but it will.

“where they will never be uprooted again. “

Then do you see why it can’t be here ?

“but the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men. ….But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

( that’s all going to be destroyed yoye saying they will never be uprooted or destroyed again so do you see why it has to be here where his actual promise is ?)

Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.”(<< they will never be uprooted again on the new earth they will be his city forever and he will rule the new earth from Jerusalem )
‭‭2 Peter‬ ‭3:7, 10-13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

thats all I’ve been saying thier promoses we’re for an eternal home where tbey would never be uprooted again , this world this earth is going to be destroyed he’s been telling them this for ages

“The earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard, and shall be removed like a cottage; and the transgression thereof shall be heavy upon it; and it shall fall, and not rise again.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭24:20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

That ^^^ is not Israel’s eternal inheritance what you are saying is right when he restores Israel they’ll never have trouble again never fall or fail again but again it’s not going to be on a world doomed to be destroyed but the one he’s been promising israel for ages

“For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭65:17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

at our placing there inheritence in tbe wrong world the one that’s going to be forgotten and destroyed yet your saying they’ll never be uprooted the whole earth is going to be uprooted all of it this has been what I’m saying youe looking at a temporary world and not the promises pertaining to his kingdom
 
It doesn't say that in Revelation. And this the Lord Jesus we're talking about.

Do you honestly think King Jesus will put everyone under Moses and Israel laws??? When He died for us so we don't have to be subject to any of that???


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I really don’t understand what you are saying to be honest doesn’t make any sense .

I don’t think anyone’s being out under the law you seem to be saying Christian’s will be raised in the foret resorewcrion for a thousand years and reign based on Israel’s covenant laws I’m not sure really what you are saying honestly . If you look at the New Testament you won’t find any doctrine for what you are saying instead you’ll find that when Jesus returns he’s going to destroy this earth immediately. Misinterpreting a chapter of revelation doesn’t change that the doctrine doesn’t fit what you are saying at all
 
I really don’t understand what you are saying to be honest doesn’t make any sense .

I don’t think anyone’s being out under the law you seem to be saying Christian’s will be raised in the foret resorewcrion for a thousand years and reign based on Israel’s covenant laws I’m not sure really what you are saying honestly . If you look at the New Testament you won’t find any doctrine for what you are saying instead you’ll find that when Jesus returns he’s going to destroy this earth immediately. Misinterpreting a chapter of revelation doesn’t change that the doctrine doesn’t fit what you are saying at all


That's okay if you don't understand! I think maybe you're getting sleepy or something and starting to mix things up.

I'll let this end here. God will make it clear to you in the Millennial age! :)


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Wonderful .

i see it like this

“In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭1:1‬ ‭KJV‬‬

And then this

“The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants thereof; because they have transgressed the laws, changed the ordinance, broken the everlasting covenant. Therefore hath the curse devoured the earth, and they that dwell therein are desolate: therefore the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men left.

….The earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard, and shall be removed like a cottage; and the transgression thereof shall be heavy upon it; and it shall fall, and not rise again.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭24:5-6, 20‬ ‭

and then this

“For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind. But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭65:17-18‬ ‭

and finally this

“But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.”
‭‭2 Peter‬ ‭3:10, 13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

i think that’s what we’re seeing here

“And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. ( that’s the thing he was telling people all along )

And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭21:1-4‬ ‭KJV‬‬


I think revelation is based on the doctrine which tells us this world is going to end with a blaze of fire and a new one God will reveal where the new Jerusalem will be his city and the whole earth will be filled with Christian believers in all the nations

and that people will travel to Jerusalem and celebrate each year and worship the lord like some of those prophecies tell us .

Isaiah 34:5-6
For my sword shall be bathed in heaven
: behold, it shall come down upon Idumea, and upon the people of my curse, to judgment.
The sword of the Lord is filled with blood, it is made fat with fatness, and with the blood of lambs and goats, with the fat of the kidneys of rams: for the Lord hath a sacrifice in Bozrah, and a great slaughter in the land of Idumea.

Ephesians 6:17
And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God.

I believe that there will be a new heaven and a new earth after the sky rolls like a scroll and those who are in Christ there will be no more death,either sorrow,nor crying.
 
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Isaiah 34:5-6
For my sword shall be bathed in heaven
: behold, it shall come down upon Idumea, and upon the people of my curse, to judgment.
The sword of the Lord is filled with blood, it is made fat with fatness, and with the blood of lambs and goats, with the fat of the kidneys of rams: for the Lord hath a sacrifice in Bozrah, and a great slaughter in the land of Idumea.

Ephesians 6:17
And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God.

I believe that there will be a new heaven and a new earth after the sky rolls like a scroll and those who are in Christ there will be no more death,either sorrow,nor crying.
Yes I agree. The sky rolling up and moon not shining and sun not giving its light is an image of the end of this creation remember back to the creations story god formed the stars and created the two great lights the sun and moon to govern day and night ? It’s an apocalypse of the end of days . No more time or seasons .
 
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