At what point in our salvation is the blood of Christ applied?

[Pilgrimshope]

Love you bro.

I’m rubber your glue dear brother in Christ

 

[Beckworth]

Yes I agree baptism is exactly about that but also look here this also is true and relates

“And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power: in whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ: buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead. And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;”
‭‭Colossians‬ ‭2:10-13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

look also here which adds more to the being raised up from the burial a new person in Christ

“For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:27-29‬ ‭KJV‬‬

there’s a lot of meaning to the doctrine in the Bible things like baptism are actions of faith . We get baptized because we believe the doctrine they preached about it like what Paul’s written in his letters such as these three examples

if we hear about it and then scoff and reject it as truth it’s never going to be of faith believing ……

a theres a lot to learn about things like baptism or other sinple basic things like communion ….in Paul’s letters

“For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, That the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread: and when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me. After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me. For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come. Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.

But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup. For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body. For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭11:23-30‬ ‭KJV‬‬

If we never start believing what he’s taught about these subjects like baptism for remission of sins or communion with the body and blood of Christ we’ll never be acting in any faith when participating in them

Clearly there is deep meaning in baptism. And other doctrine like communion we see it’s even affected thier health and spiritual awareness

“he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body. For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.”


as often as we hear the truth and then reject it and refuse to believe what the words teaching us were rejecting the effectual power of Gods word to change us and redeem us from the grave we’re headed for without him

baptisms power is what it means according to Gods word as you have pointed out there it’s the same with all the doctrine …..

Yes, we place great significance upon the Lord’s Supper as well. Acts 20:7 states that the reason they came together on the first day of the week was to eat the Lord’s Supper. In fact, we base our worship services on five acts of worship as they are found in the New Testament:
1) The Lord’s Supper. Acts 20:7, 2) singing ( Eph.. 5:19, Col. 3:16, 3) prayer, 4) preaching Acts 20:7, and 5) the collection 1 Cor. 16:1-2. These we do EVERY Sunday. That’s what we find the first churches of Christ doing in the New Testament—and that’s what we do. Our purpose is to “restore” the New Testament church—like the one you read about in the Bible. I KNOW if we worship the way they worshiped, we are not wrong.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Yes, we place great significance upon the Lord’s Supper as well. Acts 20:7 states that the reason they came together on the first day of the week was to eat the Lord’s Supper. In fact, we base our worship services on five acts of worship as they are found in the New Testament:
1) The Lord’s Supper. Acts 20:7, 2) singing ( Eph.. 5:19, Col. 3:16, 3) prayer, 4) preaching Acts 20:7, and 5) the collection 1 Cor. 16:1-2. These we do EVERY Sunday. That’s what we find the first churches of Christ doing in the New Testament—and that’s what we do. Our purpose is to “restore” the New Testament church—like the one you read about in the Bible. I KNOW if we worship the way they worshiped, we are not wrong.

what about love one another ?

 

[Beckworth]

what about love one another ?

We were talking about “acts of worship”. Loving one another is a personal trait. But, yes, it is one of the “Christian graces “ found in 2 Peter 1:5-7. It is part of our growth as a Christian and very necessary.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

We were talking about “acts of worship”. Loving one another is a personal trait. But, yes, it is one of the “Christian graces “ found in 2 Peter 1:5-7. It is part of our growth as a Christian and very necessary.

Right” acts of worship “ when we love each other in deed and truth we’re worshipping God as much as anytime but I agree with what you were saying


I think the place of worship is love

“and thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment. And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭12:30-31‬ ‭KJV‬‬

 

[Beckworth]

Right” acts of worship “ when we love each other in deed and truth we’re worshipping God as much as anytime but I agree with what you were saying


I think the place of worship is love

“and thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment. And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭12:30-31‬ ‭KJV‬‬

I agree that “love” is or should be the basis for all we do. All of our service to God is based on LOVE. Jesus said “If you love me, keep my commandments.” John 14:15. I think many people CLAIM to love God but their actions speak otherwise. And loving our fellowman is neglected so often, but is very important and necessary.

 

[tyler87432f]

It's become apparent that, on the surface, we're speaking the same thing, as much as we're reading the same words. That is, faith and obedience is basically synonymous, we can't have one without the other so I'm not sure if I can adequately express my idea of it other than by saying that I believe that faith is the obedience, as saying, 'believe in obedience' rather than 'obey in faith'. I realize how one can so easily be muddled for the other. We've heard it said as it were, 'step out in faith' which suggests that we walk even though we don't know whether the bridge might actually hold. And at first glance it appears that this is what Peter did when he stepped out of the boat. However, I'm not convinced that Peter would've stepped out of the boat if he wasn't sure that the water would hold him up, notwithstanding that He did ask Jesus for assurance before stepping out, but He got the assurance, He believed Jesus' word... and then, of course, he thought again and began to sink which prompted Jesus to ask, in paraphrase, 'why did your faith falter?'

It is my opinion that "His commandments (which are not burdensome, as in not so copious but quite simple) are "believe" here, there, now, then, and believe and believe and don't ever stop believing that He will keep you, and hold you up, until the day that all creation is groaning for its arrival. I truly think that if I asked tomorrow, 'what would you have me do today?' and asked every subsequent day afterward, the answer would, again, be "believe in Me.'

After all, Jesus put the ear back on the centurion which Peter had hacked off. Why would he even bother? Was it for Pete's sake? Or was it for the centurion? for both? for everyone? I think yes. So, I'm not convinced that we can lose our salvation as much as I'm sure that it is needful that our assurance needs to be maintained (as our next steps, usually sooner than later in my case, sink, and that is done by continuously abiding AetherSX2 for iOS in Him.

Yes i see that

 

[mailmandan]

I agree. There is no salvation without the blood of Jesus. So, salvation and the blood of Jesus must happen at the same time.

I don’t find any scripture that indicates or implies that the blood is applied at the point of faith or belief. Probably because we are not saved by “faith only” as James plainly says. So there is no oxymoron. The Bible is consistent with itself—no salvation by faith only and no blood of Jesus applied. James 2:24. The Bible does not contradict itself.

Romans 3:24 - Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: 25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; 26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.

Ephesians 1:7 - In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of His grace.
Colossians 1:14 - in whom we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins.
Acts 10:43 - Of Him all the prophets bear witness that through His name everyone who believes in Him receives forgiveness of sins.
Acts 26:18 - to open their eyes, in order to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins and an inheritance among those who are sanctified by faith in Me.

To have redemption through His blood is to have forgiveness of sins and sins are forgiven when we believe in Him/place faith in Him for salvation. Still don't see it?

Faith only - per James is an empty profession of faith/dead faith that produces no works. (James 2:14) That is not genuine faith but a bare profession of faith. (says/claims to have faith) James is not using the word "justified" in James 2:24 to mean "accounted as righteous" but is shown to be righteous. James is discussing the evidence of faith (says-claims to have faith but has no works/I will show you my faith by my works - James 2:14-18) and not the initial act of being accounted as righteous with God. (Romans 4:2-3) Works bear out the justification that already came by faith.

*Not to be confused with faith that trusts in Jesus Christ alone for salvation. (Romans 4:5-6; Ephesians 2:8,9) What part of God imputes righteousness apart from works and saved by grace through faith, not works don't you understand?

 

[DJT_47]

When you're baptized into Christ

 

[mailmandan]

When you're baptized into Christ

1 Corinthians 12:13 - For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body—whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free—and have all been made to drink into one Spirit.

Spirit baptism is the reality and water baptism is the picture of the reality.

 

[Magenta]

1 Corinthians 12:13 - For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body—whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free—and have all been made to drink into one Spirit.

Spirit baptism is the reality and water baptism is the picture of the reality.

Ephesians 4 verses 5-6 ~ There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called to one hope when you were called; 5one Lord, one faith, one baptism; one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all.

 

[homwardbound]

When you're baptized into Christ

me, the first day I decided to believe God ver myself and anyone else
Ephesians 1:7
in whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;
Ephesians 1:6
to the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.
Ephesians 1:13
in whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
Philippians 1:6
being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:

I stand in trust to God, not the self or anyone else for my salvation anymore
Phil 3

 

[DJT_47]

1 Corinthians 12:13 - For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body—whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free—and have all been made to drink into one Spirit.

Spirit baptism is the reality and water baptism is the picture of the reality.

What exactly is spirit baptism???

 

[homwardbound]

What exactly is spirit baptism???

To me

John 4:23-24

Authorized (King James) Version

23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. 24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

 

[homwardbound]

To me

John 4:23-24

Authorized (King James) Version

23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. 24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

Oh, and it is God that Baptizes, not man anymore, and uses man to do it, those willing that are called in the gift given therm too

 

[DJT_47]

To me

John 4:23-24

Authorized (King James) Version

23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. 24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

Didn't answer the question. What exactly is spirit baptism???

 

[NotMakingThisUp]

Is it at the point of faith? Satan would have you believe that’ faith” is the “end”, when actually, it is the beginning. Is it when we repent? When we actually “confess” Christ seems like a good place

We know Jesus shed His blood in His death on the cross. Romans 6:3, God says, Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His DEATH?Therefore, we were buried with Him through baptism into DEATH that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we should also walk in newness of life.”

From this scripture, I would say that we come into contact with the blood of Jesus when we are baptized into His death ( where His blood was shed).

This is in perfect harmony with what Ananias tells Saul in Acts 22:16–“ And now, what are you waiting for? Arise, and be baptized and WASH AWAY YOUR SINS.”

the dictionary refer

Is it at the point of faith? Satan would have you believe that’ faith” is the “end”, when actually, it is the beginning. Is it when we repent? When we actually “confess” Christ seems like a good place

We know Jesus shed His blood in His death on the cross. Romans 6:3, God says, Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His DEATH?Therefore, we were buried with Him through baptism into DEATH that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we should also walk in newness of life.”

From this scripture, I would say that we come into contact with the blood of Jesus when we are baptized into His death ( where His blood was shed).

This is in perfect harmony with what Ananias tells Saul in Acts 22:16–“ And now, what are you waiting for? Arise, and be baptized and WASH AWAY YOUR SINS.”

The dictionary refers salvation to mean redemption and free from sin. Salvation is ongoing for us. “we are all sinners” is about forgiveness. Self forgiveness. Sinners are like buttholes. As soon as one gets that they’re being a butthole, they stop being a butthole. The only way to stop being a butthole (sinner), is first, being okay with it. If you’re not okay the way you are, it takes a lot of effort to get better. Sin is just another sacrifice. Sacrifice is something we must do right now to guarantee a better future. Whether it’s the new smell of a Master‘s Degree or the new smell of Kingdom come, you have to do the homework. -Not making this up

 

[mailmandan]

What exactly is spirit baptism???

You really don't know? 1 Corinthians 12:13 sums it right up.

 

[Magenta]

You really don't know? 1 Corinthians 12:13 sums it right up.

1 Corinthians 12 v 13 ~ In one Spirit we were all baptized into one body, whether Jews or Greeks, slave or free, and we were all given one Spirit to drink.

 

[tablet123]

Is it at the point of faith? Satan would have you believe that’ faith” is the “end”, when actually, it is the beginning. Is it when we repent? When we actually “confess” Christ seems like a good place

We know Jesus shed His blood in His death on the cross. Romans 6:3, God says, Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His DEATH?Therefore, we were buried with Him through baptism into DEATH that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we should also walk in newness of life.”

From this scripture, I would say that we come into contact with the blood of Jesus when we are baptized into His death ( where His blood was shed).

This is in perfect harmony with what Ananias tells Saul in Acts 22:16–“ And now, what are you waiting for? Arise, and be baptized and WASH AWAY YOUR SINS.”

Act 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

aphesis
af'-es-is
remission
From G863; freedom; (figuratively) pardon: - deliverance, forgiveness, liberty, remission.

Act 22:16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

ἀπολούω
apolouō
ap-ol-oo'-o
wash away
From G575 and G3068; to wash fully, that is, (figuratively) have remitted (reflexively): - wash (away).

βαπτίζω
baptizō
bap-tid'-zo
baptism
From a derivative of G911; to make whelmed (that is, fully wet); used only (in the New Testament) of ceremonial ablution, especially (technically) of the ordinance of Christian baptism: - baptist, baptize, wash.

And baptism in this scripture is speaking of water.

Water baptism is for the washing away of sins like the Bible states.

Joh 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

Rom 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
Rom 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
Rom 6:5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection.

1Pe 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
1Pe 3:21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ.

It is clear that water baptism is a part of the salvation plan of God.

If they say faith alone and water baptism is a work and does not wash away their sins how can their sins be washed away.

Act 17:11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.

2Ti 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

Church denominations influence in a negative way many people while they think they have the truth.