Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

[BillyBob]

LOL but we know that is because of what Isaiah, Jesus, and Paul tells us about the partial deafness and blindness.

The key is LOOK who Jesus is talking to.

It makes no difference who He is talking to! He who has the power to raise the dead can certainly raise any man to newness of life...... You just are unwilling to believe than man cannot do it alone! That he will not hear and understand simply because he is unable.
John 8:43

 

[Genez]

Ask that question of the condemned who are now in hell! What do you think is controlling their nature in their torment: Holiness, Righteousness and Goodness? Now that they're in their eternal state of damnation, you think they suddenly love God?

In Hell...

They are no longer in their sinful bodies.
They are simply left with their evil souls.

Torments does control them!
For it forces them to concentrate only on one thing!
Their pain! Nothing else!

In that state, they can no longer concentrate and plan to do evil to others to harm them.
That is why torments will be the perfect solution for silencing Satan and his angels from harming others.
As for now, who run wild in wishing to find ways to destroy freedom and peace wherever they find it.

The only shelter a man and woman can have now, is finding and guarding sound doctrine in his heart to counter evil.
The Devil touches them not!

The gangland bully doctrine you are following right now pleases your flesh. It makes you feel like a tough man.
It is obvious. You wish to control the thinking of some here by sheer domination.
Don't you?

Stop being Satan's lady.

 

[Rufus]

How long will you keep making God double minded by claiming He has multiple Wills?

Do you serve a skitzo for a God?

I guess you didn't understand Lam 3, did you? I mean after all...God did inflict severe punishment on Israel, even though He didn't want to! And what part Mk 14:36 don't you get when Jesus prayed to the Father to take the Father's cup of wrath from him?

And I guess you have never made any decisions in your life that you did not want to make? You have always made decisions that you have desired to make? If you answer "no" to the first question, then we'll all know you're lying through your teeth; for that is NOT the universal human experience! Human experience teaches us that even man (a complex moral creature) has more than one kind of will.

 

[Rufus]

In Hell...

They are no longer in their sinful bodies.
They are simply left with their evil souls.

Torments does control them!
For it forces them to concentrate only on one thing!
Their pain! Nothing else!

In that state, they can no longer concentrate and plan to do evil to others to harm them.
That is why torments will be the perfect solution for silencing Satan and his angels from harming others.
As for now, who run wild in wishing to find ways to destroy freedom and peace wherever they find it.

The only shelter a man and woman can have now, is finding and guarding sound doctrine in his heart to counter evil.
The Devil touches them not!

The gangland bully doctrine you are following right now pleases your flesh. It makes you feel like a tough man.
It is obvious. You wish to control the thinking of some here by sheer domination.
Don't you?

Stop being Satan's lady.

Oh...so now you admit that God forces the damned in GRACELESS hell to not believe and repent. After all, they are there and not with God ultimately by His righteous decree. (Evidently, God's "uncondtional" love wasn't enough to save them!) Well...since God "forces" the damned in hell to not believe and repent, then how can we say that God doesn't do the same thing in this life by removing or withholding his powerful grace from many sinners? After all, that's what he did with Pharaoh! And with Judas. And with king Saul, etc.

 

[Magenta]

It makes no difference who He is talking to! He who has the power to raise the dead can certainly raise any man to newness of life...... You just are unwilling to believe than man cannot do it alone! That he will not hear and understand simply because he is unable.
John 8:43

Out of stones God can raise up believers and that is exactly what He does...

 

[Rufus]

In Hell...

They are no longer in their sinful bodies.
They are simply left with their evil souls.

Torments does control them!
For it forces them to concentrate only on one thing!
Their pain! Nothing else!

In that state, they can no longer concentrate and plan to do evil to others to harm them.
That is why torments will be the perfect solution for silencing Satan and his angels from harming others.
As for now, who run wild in wishing to find ways to destroy freedom and peace wherever they find it.

The only shelter a man and woman can have now, is finding and guarding sound doctrine in his heart to counter evil.
The Devil touches them not!

The gangland bully doctrine you are following right now pleases your flesh. It makes you feel like a tough man.
It is obvious. You wish to control the thinking of some here by sheer domination.
Don't you?

Stop being Satan's lady.

And just for the public record: I'm an EXCEEDINGLY joyous and pleased that God is the Eternal Supreme Righteous Ruler of this universe and not finite, unrighteous man. Only a fool would think that he could for a nanosecond rival God's infinite wisdom, knowledge, understanding and righteousness.

 

[lrs68]

It makes no difference who He is talking to! He who has the power to raise the dead can certainly raise any man to newness of life...... You just are unwilling to believe than man cannot do it alone! That he will not hear and understand simply because he is unable.
John 8:43

Show me anywhere I ever proclaimed man could do it?

I dare you to show me!

 

[lrs68]

I guess you didn't understand Lam 3, did you? I mean after all...God did inflict severe punishment on Israel, even though He didn't want to! And what part Mk 14:36 don't you get when Jesus prayed to the Father to take the Father's cup of wrath from him?

And I guess you have never made any decisions in your life that you did not want to make? You have always made decisions that you have desired to make? If you answer "no" to the first question, then we'll all know you're lying through your teeth; for that is NOT the universal human experience! Human experience teaches us that even man (a complex moral creature) has more than one kind of will.

I understand and actually thought you presented yourself rather well and made a good point. But as I was considering what you wrote I felt the Holy Spirit nudge me about how a master cannot be double minded or He's unstable in ALL HIS WAYS. And to have multiple Wills would make God just exactly that.

 

[Magenta]

John 8:43 (ESV) Why do you not understand what I say? It is because you cannot bear to hear my word.

John 8 verses 43, 47, Acts 13 verse 48, Romans 8 verse 8, John 8 verse 43 “Why do you not understand what I am saying? It is because you are unable to accept My message.” “Whoever belongs to God hears the words of God. The reason you do not hear is that you do not belong to God.” When the Gentiles heard this, they rejoiced and glorified the word of the Lord, and all who were appointed for eternal life believed. Those controlled by the flesh cannot please God.

 

[Rufus]

Just like Natural Man doesn't realize there's really life after death.

There's much the "natural man" doesn't understand. And he doesn't and CANNOT understand because the Fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom and knowledge. And the Fear of the Lord is a saving grace that God sovereignly and unilaterally gives to his chosen people.

 

[Rufus]

I understand and actually thought you presented yourself rather well and made a good point. But as I was considering what you wrote I felt the Holy Spirit nudge me about how a master cannot be double minded or He's unstable in ALL HIS WAYS. And to have multiple Wills would make God just exactly that.

And you are not "double-minded"!? Do you understand the difference between what a person wants and what he needs? Are you going to try to tell us that you have lived your entire life being controlled by only wants or needs -- and not both!? Jesus clearly did NOT WANT to go to the Cross; yet at the same time he also knew what was necessary.

 

[lrs68]

There's much the "natural man" doesn't understand. And he doesn't and CANNOT understand because the Fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom and knowledge. And the Fear of the Lord is a saving grace that God sovereignly and unilaterally gives to his chosen people.

Yes, we could go on and on giving examples what the Natural Man understands but sees as something ignorant to do. It's much of why the Word of God confounds those who are believed to be wise. They understand what's being said but don't believe because they have reasoned what they're hearing is not factual and impossible, untrue, unrealistic, etc..

 

[Genez]

Oh...so now you admit that God forces the damned in GRACELESS hell to not believe and repent. .

You are out of your mind, sir.

 

[lrs68]

And you are not "double-minded"!? Do you understand the difference between what a person wants and what he needs? Are you going to try to tell us that you have lived your entire life being controlled by only wants or needs -- and not both!? Jesus clearly did NOT WANT to go to the Cross; yet at the same time he also knew what was necessary.

We are only made in the image of God not as who\what God is completely. Man is destructive on his own merit. What he does will bring to himself destruction. God let's man be his own worst enemy but some people [(like yourself)] will interpret it as God did it when in actuality it was man who did it to himself and God let him by not interfering with man's free will, even to the point of destroying himself.

 

[Genez]

And just for the public record: I'm an EXCEEDINGLY joyous and pleased that God is the Eternal Supreme Righteous Ruler of this universe and not finite, unrighteous man. Only a fool would think that he could for a nanosecond rival God's infinite wisdom, knowledge, understanding and righteousness.

Stating facts we know does not mean you know truth.

You're to be tolerated as testing for those who do want to continue in growing in grace and knowledge of Truth.

I wish you would change your ways.
But, you are blindly stubborn, and trying way too hard to save your own life... refusing to let die
what must die, if God is to live in you, and through you.

Then Jesus said to his disciples, “Whoever wants to be my disciple must deny themselves ​

and take up their cross and follow me. ​

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For whoever wants to save their life will lose it, but whoever loses their life for me will find it.​

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Matthew 16:24-25​

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In Christ....

 

[HeIsHere]

You are out of your mind, sir.

I agree in the sense this doctrine does not have a positive affect on people, how can it, they put sovereignty first on the list and LOVE last.

It is a jaded view.
And they think sovereignty means being a puppet master.

 

[Genez]

I agree in the sense this doctrine does not have a positive affect on people, how can it, they put sovereignty first on the list and LOVE last.

It is a jaded view.
And they think sovereignty means being a puppet master.

Satan must rule over his angels in that kind of manner.

.......

 

[Magenta]

I agree in the sense this doctrine does not have a positive affect on people, how can it, they put sovereignty first on the list and LOVE last.

It is a jaded view.
And they think sovereignty means being a puppet master.

That is just more of your dishonesty, as you love to misrepresent not only the views of others, but yourself as well. And Scripture!

 

[cv5]

I, too, am thankful that God did not leave it up to any mere mortal -- most especially you FWers who think you can dictate to God what is fair, right and just.

The bitterness and accusations never cease. I wonder why?

[Gen 4:6-8 NKJV]
6 So the LORD said to Cain, "Why are you angry? And why has your countenance fallen?

7 "If you do well, will you not be accepted? And if you do not do well, sin lies at the door. And its desire [is] for you, but you should rule over it."

8 Now Cain talked with Abel his brother; and it came to pass, when they were in the field, that Cain rose up against Abel his brother and killed him.

[Luk 15:29 RSV] 29 but he answered his father, 'Lo, these many years I have served you, and I never disobeyed your command; yet you never gave me a kid, that I might make merry with my friends.

 

[HeIsHere]

God is equally glorified in the knowledge of His sovereignty, justice, and anger as He is in the display of His mercy, grace, and love.