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With all the bible verses to read we have 2 teachings today.. both claim the Bible as the source of truth....

Is the meaning of Israel "literal" in the last days

Or is the the meaning of Israel Spiritual

I know what my Bible states ....

But it is amazing how many people refuse to see it any other way. They have filters on their eyes and refuse to take them off so that the truth can be seen.
 
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Israel does not accept Jesus as God
Jesus is the means of salvation and to reject Jesus is to reject salvation.
 
TMS said:
With all the bible verses to read we have 2 teachings today.. both claim the Bible as the source of truth....

Is the meaning of Israel "literal" in the last days

Or is the the meaning of Israel Spiritual
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I know what my Bible states ....

But it is amazing how many people refuse to see it any other way. They have filters on their eyes and refuse to take them off so that the truth can be seen.
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Well, the country is literal, the borders are literal, the people are literal, I don't see why one would spiritualize it. As wrong as I think that is, hiding behind antisemitism by saying it's Zionists you hate, not the Jews, is a sneaky way to be a racist. It's like saying "I don't mind those American blacks, I just can't stand the dark African ones." Both are racist comments.
 
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Israel does not accept Jesus as God
Jesus is the means of salvation and to reject Jesus is to reject salvation.
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Romans 11

25 I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers and sisters, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in, 26 and in this way[e] all Israel will be saved. As it is written:

“The deliverer will come from Zion;
he will turn godlessness away from Jacob.
27 And this is[f] my covenant with them
when I take away their sins.”[g]
 
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Ezekiel 16 is an interesting prophecy because it predicts that the earthly city of Jerusalem will never be restored as God's city after it is destroyed. Ezekiel calls Jerusalem a whore who has sinned worse than Samaria (Israel) and Sodom, and says that Sodom will be restored to its former estate before Jerusalem is restored to its former estate, which means earthly Jerusalem will never be the God's city again because Sodom will never be restored. Then he says that God will remember his covenant with Israel and restore a spiritual remnant via the new covenant.

Son of man, cause Jerusalem to know her abominations, Ezekiel 16:2​
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You have built your high place at every head of the way, and have made your beauty to be loathed, and have spread your legs to everyone that passed by and multiplied your whoredoms. Ezekiel 16:25​
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When I shall bring again their captivity, the captivity of Sodom and her daughters, and the captivity of Samaria and her daughters, then [will I bring again] the captivity of your captives in the midst of them: Ezekiel 16:53​
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When your sisters, Sodom and her daughters, shall return to their former estate, and Samaria and her daughters shall return to their former estate, then you and your daughters shall return to your former estate. Ezekiel 16:55​
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Nevertheless I will remember my covenant with you in the days of your youth, and I will establish unto you an everlasting covenant. Ezekiel 16:60​
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TMS said:
Israel does not accept Jesus as God
Jesus is the means of salvation and to reject Jesus is to reject salvation.
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Many in Israel have accepted Jesus and we who believe in Bible prophecy can read. Jesus will come back in all His glory at Armageddon to save ISRAEL and then the Orthodox Jewish people will receive their Savior/Messiah then🙌🙌🙌
 
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ChristRoseFromTheDead said:
What is it in your mind that makes you think I and others don't? It's so pathological.
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Because your obvious vitriol shows it. You deny what you dont agree with whether it's based on Scripture or not . In I Corinthians, Paul speaks of the natural coming first and then the spiritual. The Lord often let's events play out in real time that we can see to give us a picture of the spiritual. For example, he gives us info re: how a husband and wife should treat each other then He compares it to Christ and the Church. The Lord gave us all kind of shadows to point to His Son. Isaac's almost sacrifice by his father points to the spiritual reality that Jesus will become the perfect sacrifice. Son of David points to the earthly line of David from which Jesus is a descendant while not denying , He is the Son of God. The betrayal if Joaeph by his brothers points to the denial of Jesus by His brethren but also their reuniting.Abraham's descendants through Isaac in Genesis 12:3 were promised the land of, then Canaan, which today the land space is Israel. If Jesus was to be born in Bethleham of Judea and in the End Times, His feet will touch down on the Mount of Olives all these are connections to God's plan for putting "natural" people in His supernatural place.
Are you aware that many years ago the Eastern Gate was sealed by Muslims and a cemetary was put there because even they knew the scriptures speak of Messiah entering through that gate and it was felt no Jew would defile Himself by entering through a cemetary. Somehow, I dont think they will keep Jesus out!
 
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TabinRivCA said:
Yes, according to biblical prophecy, specifically Zechariah 14:4, Jesus will stand on the Mount of Olives when He returns. This event is associated with His Second Coming and is described as a significant moment where the mountain will split, creating a large valley.
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Yeah sure. For people to flee through. Behold fleeing that way to Azal due south of Jerusalem

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ChristRoseFromTheDead said:
Jewish myth

Azal: A Longtime Mystery Rediscovered
https://zechariahfourteenfive.wordpress.com/2011/12/19/azal-a-longtime-mystery-rediscovered/
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Zechariah 14:4 is not a myth. It's the inspired Word of God. Maybe you should try to get your information from the Word and not the talking heads on the media.
There's a quote stated in different ways but basically, A person convinced against their will is of the same opinion still. So, all we do is butt heads, however, for people who are new believers or who are new to Bible study to say things are not in Scripture that ARE plainly there , only to try and win an argument is unfair to them. There are just way to many Scriptures re: the Lord's promises to the Jews, His connection to them from start to finish, His land grant to them, His promise of bringing them back both physically and spiritually, and like it or no, Jesus, in His earthly form was Jewish and is forever referred to as the Lion of the tribe of Judah not Allah.
So watch the media propaganda or believe the Word. Your choice. Just dont twist Scripture because of some hatred you have.
 
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Shoshie said:
Because your obvious vitriol shows it. You deny what you dont agree with whether it's based on Scripture or not . In I Corinthians, Paul speaks of the natural coming first and then the spiritual. The Lord often let's events play out in real time that we can see to give us a picture of the spiritual. For example, he gives us info re: how a husband and wife should treat each other then He compares it to Christ and the Church. The Lord gave us all kind of shadows to point to His Son. Isaac's almost sacrifice by his father points to the spiritual reality that Jesus will become the perfect sacrifice. Son of David points to the earthly line of David from which Jesus is a descendant while not denying , He is the Son of God. The betrayal if Joaeph by his brothers points to the denial of Jesus by His brethren but also their reuniting.Abraham's descendants through Isaac in Genesis 12:3 were promised the land of, then Canaan, which today the land space is Israel. If Jesus was to be born in Bethleham of Judea and in the End Times, His feet will touch down on the Mount of Olives all these are connections to God's plan for putting "natural" people in His supernatural place.
Are you aware that many years ago the Eastern Gate was sealed by Muslims and a cemetary was put there because even they knew the scriptures speak of Messiah entering through that gate and it was felt no Jew would defile Himself by entering through a cemetary. Somehow, I dont think they will keep Jesus out!
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I've been trying to show him that but apparently he has his mind set on the marvel series.
 
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Shoshie said:
Zechariah 14:4 is not a myth. It's the inspired Word of God. Maybe you should try to get your information from the Word and not the talking heads on the media.
There's a quote stated in different ways but basically, A person convinced against their will is of the same opinion still. So, all we do is butt heads, however, for people who are new believers or who are new to Bible study to say things are not in Scripture that ARE plainly there , only to try and win an argument is unfair to them. There are just way to many Scriptures re: the Lord's promises to the Jews, His connection to them from start to finish, His land grant to them, His promise of bringing them back both physically and spiritually, and like it or no, Jesus, in His earthly form was Jewish and is forever referred to as the Lion of the tribe of Judah not Allah.
So watch the media propaganda or believe the Word. Your choice. Just dont twist Scripture because of some hatred you have.
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He also criticized prophet writtings ....its a no win situation.
 
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God-fearing said:
He also criticized prophet writtings ....its a no win situation.
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I agree. It's just so frustrating because there are those who take what's said without investigating it. And while it is their responsibility to do so, falsehoods still should not be posted. No cheating allowed when it comes to the Word!
 
Shoshie said:
Zechariah 14:4 is not a myth. It's the inspired Word of God. Maybe you should try to get your information from the Word and not the talking heads on the media.
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The Masoretic Text version is a myth because it says the Mt of Olives will split in half forming an east-west valley that reaches all the way to Azal. That's impossible because Azal is due south of Jerusalem as I showed in the screen grab above.
 
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