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so are works part of being saved by faith though ? And without works faith is dead ?

God “will repay each person according to what they have done.

To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life.

But for those who are self-seeking and who reject the truth and follow evil, there will be wrath and anger.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭2:6-8‬ ‭


Saved BY grace FOR good works.
 
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Oh, but it was though. And it's a very important piece of Land.

The land was a foreshadowing of the true Israel.

Genesis 22:18
And in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my voice.

The people with the Holy Spirit are scattered across the land like the Levites were and are a blessing to all nations because we dwell in all nations.the Kingdoms of this world have become the kingdoms of our God.
Even now I feel like this is a foreshadowing of the power of the Holy Spirit and will pale in comparison after the marriage supper of the lamb spoken in Revelation.
 
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the Kingdoms of this world have become the kingdoms of our God.

Not yet. Not until the 7th trumpet sounds

And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become [the kingdoms] of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever. Revelation 11:15
 
Self-seeking is a bad translation IMO. I just don't see it in the definition. I think it refers to a gainsaying, divisive, contentious attitude.

G2052 ἐριθεία eritheia (e-riy-thei'-a) n.
1. (properly) intrigue.
2. (by implication) faction.

yeah so kind of a “a selfish attitude driven by pride “ seems bout right

did you notice how they rejected the truth and followed unrighteousness ?

“And he said to them all, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me.

For what is a man advantaged, if he gain the whole world, and lose himself, or be cast away? For whosoever shall be ashamed of me and of my words, of him shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he shall come in his own glory, and in his Father's, and of the holy angels.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭9:23, 25-26‬ ‭KJV‬‬

the others were believers who followed after the gospel the word of God
 
Not yet. Not until the 7th trumpet sounds

And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become [the kingdoms] of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever. Revelation 11:15

There's nothing new under the sun.What once was will be again.
 
The land was a foreshadowing of the true Israel.

Genesis 22:18
And in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my voice.

The people with the Holy Spirit are scattered across the land like the Levites were and are a blessing to all nations because we dwell in all nations.the Kingdoms of this world have become the kingdoms of our God.
Even now I feel like this is a foreshadowing of the power of the Holy Spirit and will pale in comparison after the marriage supper of the lamb spoken in Revelation.

But we don't replace the Jews. We are grafted in.
 
Not yet. Not until the 7th trumpet sounds

And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become [the kingdoms] of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever. Revelation 11:15

“And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭28:18-20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:19‬ ‭KJV

“And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭12:5‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death. Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

…And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭12:10-12, 17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour: whom resist stedfast in the faith, knowing that the same afflictions are accomplished in your brethren that are in the world.”
‭‭1 Peter‬ ‭5:8-9‬ ‭

“And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭13:2‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven. And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭13:6-7‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭5:19‬ ‭KJV‬‬
 
Saved BY grace FOR good works.
Saved by grace through faith,

unto good works which before we’re ordained tbat we should walk in them

“For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;”
‭‭Titus‬ ‭2:11-12‬ ‭KJV‬‬
 
yeah so kind of a “a selfish attitude driven by pride “ seems bout right

did you notice how they rejected the truth and followed unrighteousness ?

“And he said to them all, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me.

For what is a man advantaged, if he gain the whole world, and lose himself, or be cast away? For whosoever shall be ashamed of me and of my words, of him shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he shall come in his own glory, and in his Father's, and of the holy angels.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭9:23, 25-26‬ ‭KJV‬‬

the others were believers who followed after the gospel the word of God

The problem I have with the way the word self is used is because it can mean different things. Self is who we are, ie our identity. We are commanded to love our self. When I seek to do good and deny the flesh I am seeking what is best for my self, so I am self-seeking just as much as someone who is selfish is self-seeking. When Jesus said to deny ourselves he meant to deny this temporal earthly life so that we may secure the eternal heavenly life.
 
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The problem I have with the way the word self is used is because it can mean different things. Self is who we are, ie our identity. We are commanded to love our self. When I seek to do good and deny the flesh I am seeking what is best for my self, so I am self-seeking just as much as someone who is selfish is self-seeking. When Jesus said to deny ourselves he meant to deny this temporal earthly life so that we may secure the eternal heavenly life.
Yeah I can understand what you mean

Remember this

“And the Lord God said, “The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. …..He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever.

After he drove the man out, he placed on the east side of the Garden of Eden cherubim and a flaming sword flashing back and forth to guard the way to the tree of life.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭3:22, 24‬ ‭NIV‬‬

man isn’t meant for that but we’re meant to just trust gods word and advice like a father . Not having to choose for ourselves between what’s good or what’s evil because we have no judgement gods judgements are always correct and true many of our own judgements are not good

If we trust in our own selves judgements and determinations and our own thoughts we’re never going to know the truth and be set free . I think it’s hard for humans to let the self determination of what’s good and what’s evil part go and return to gods right judgements about good and evil

i sort of take that part in those terms like this sort of

Trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding;”
‭‭Proverbs‬ ‭3:5‬ ‭NIV‬‬

i think a lot of people determine what’s good and evil themselves but in the end it’s gods judgements that will be confronted with and judged by

romans two there is actually coming from Jesus teaching about” judge not lest you be judged “ just gotta look at the beginning of the chapter to see it
 
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