Israel.

[ThereRoseaLamb]

Well if this seems useless I will end it now....sorry just thought I'd show a bit of the Jewish mind set. And questions that I thought were worth searching out.

No, I mean someone should start a thread on this subject. I don't mean end it at all.

 

[Caan]

We are told to give a answer to all that ask, and of course the great commission to the jew first then the Gentiles.
The Torah is central in there teaching. Which is taught at a young age . So my friends where do we go from here if this is presented?
Remember saints Jesus said not one jot or dash shall be removed until all is fulfilled.
Yeah .....hard one huh...wait till ya see #2.

This Is Superlative!!!
By all means start a new thread God-fearing with this topic and your already
included scripture correlations!
I agree that any further posts here would get mired down and lost in opinionated
"verbal fencing".

 

[Kroogz]

I think there is sufficient evidence that the government of Israel has not been particularly interested in truly negotiating

their release as they have consistently put up road blocks to a settling the hostage situation.

If they settle the hostage situation they can no longer justify the mass killing/starvation/ethnic cleansing of the remaining population.

They want that real estate for the resorts DT and Kushner have made it clear!!!
Is that in the OT?

We all know that aid is being sent to Gaza. Who is sending it?

 

[Kroogz]

I am sure it is pretty horrible to watch a sniper kill your child/mother/father/sibling trying to get food too?

You know Hamas has offered several times to release the hostages based on the reciprocal release of hostages, the Israeli government is not interested.

You have pointed out all the faults of Israel. They don't know their Messiah.......Yet. And are worldly.


But to make excuses for hamas? You do realize they are a legitimate/open terrorist organization right?

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

You have pointed out all the faults of Israel. They don't know their Messiah.......Yet. And are worldly.


But to make excuses for hamas? You do realize they are a legitimate/open terrorist organization right?[/QUOTE]

If they do, they haven't admitted it here.

 

[Kroogz]

@ThereRoseaLamb ( reply to post 3,545)
I have not seen it.

I will leave it to them to explain.....But Hamas sounds like a Savior to them.

Israel is the terror and hamas is a little puppy dog being persecuted by the terrorists(Israel.)

 

[Kroogz]

They want that real estate for the resorts DT and Kushner have made it clear!!!
Is that in the OT?

Seriously, why not? Bring in tons of money, tourism would stop the terrorism, and jobs galore would be created. Money rather than blood.

Or are we envious of the entrepreneurs who thought of it. And would rather have BLOOD.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

@ThereRoseaLamb ( reply to post 3,545)
I have not seen it.

I will leave it to them to explain.....But Hamas sounds like a Savior to them.

Israel is the terror and hamas is a little puppy dog being persecuted by the terrorists(Israel.)

Right, that's my issue with them. Me supporting Israel is more un-Godly than them supporting Hamas. smh

 

[Lifted_by_the_word]

The people who believe that a state of Israel and a third temple need to be established to fulfill prophecy are in error.The body is the temple, and is Israel.The kingdom of heaven is within.Israel is the kingdom of heaven.
our bodies is a living Ark of the Covenant.In fact the Ark of the Covenant in the OT is a created version of our bodies,which is the true Ark of the Covenant made by God himself.
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If you are not of Israel then satan himself sits on the throne and is declaring himself as god.

Before Jesus becomes the corner stone of your temple you have to repent and that's why our brains are halved and look like two stone tablets.Since you have the word in your thoughts it's like having the commandments written on two tablets and Moses comes down with them and washes you from head to toe cause guess what?10 toes also for the commandments.

After that he becomes the corner stone and that is your brain as a whole then you receive the Holy Spirit.that process starts from the top.Which in scripture the corner stone is on Mount Zion and it comes down in the form of the Holy Spirit and dwells among men..

Revelation 21:3
And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.

The Holy Spirit is a firmament,dividing the water below the firmament(bitter waters) from the waters above the firmament(living waters.)
In Genesis the firmament is called "heaven." So when you add it all together it is New Jerusalem coming down from heaven and God dwelling with us.

You know when Jesus was walking on the waters and peter wanted to join him but got scared when he saw the stormy wind and started sinking then cried out "Lord save me?."
His carnal mind got the best of him.But Jesus stretched forth his hand and caught him.Which would have been the right hand for the blood even though scripture doesn't reveal it.And he said "O thou of little faith, wherefore didst thou doubt?"

When Jesus said to Peter "get behind me,satan".It was because of Peters carnal thinking.

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All this talk about how God created our body and the signs within it,goes way beyond what I'm capable of making up with my own imagination.
And way beyond any of yours as well.The carnal mind can't even comprehend it.Spiritually it is all woven together and undeniable proof that we are his witnesses.Quite literally because the word is within our DNA.The Two Witnesses being the water, and the blood,Meaning the word of God.
Are we not made of water and blood?
You know why God revealed all these things to me?Because I wanted to see him.In his creations I wanted to see him with my spiritual eyes.And he showed me he was in the wind,in the clouds,and the thunder.Then in the sun,the ,moon,and also in the earth.
I saw the Spirit,water,and the blood because I knew what to look for from scripture.
That's what started all this.
I asked him in my heart "if I look out the window,where are you God?And there he was.
Then there he was again,then again,and again.Then I asked "where are you in me?where are the signs?Then I looked at my hands and he showed me a hand sign of all things.Quite a few of them.Over a few days.And to be honest I needed more proof even after seeing him in the skys and the heavens.But when he showed me the hand signs that was more than enough that God was revealing himself to me.One of those days within that week I woke up and the first thing that entered my mind was that my body was a Ark of the Covenant.Which I cried because I was filthy.

The promise given to Abraham was not about a small piece of land.It was the promise given to his remnant."I am your inheritance"
Is what he told his remnant.His Israel.
And Like the Levite remnant I carry the Ark of the Covenant because he is my inheritance.See him sitting on his mercy seat?
The two tablets with the 10 commandments being my lungs?
When I speak the word,is not his word written on "them?"
is his spirit breath not giving them life?
My spine being the staff of Aaron.Is it not budded when my mind is for God?

 

[Lifted_by_the_word]

All this talk about how God created our body and the signs within it,goes way beyond what I'm capable of making up with my own imagination.
And way beyond any of yours as well.The carnal mind can't even comprehend it.Spiritually it is all woven together and undeniable proof that we are his witnesses.Quite literally because the word is within our DNA.The Two Witnesses being the water, and the blood,Meaning the word of God.
Are we not made of water and blood?
You know why God revealed all these things to me?Because I wanted to see him.In his creations I wanted to see him with my spiritual eyes.And he showed me he was in the wind,in the clouds,and the thunder.Then in the sun,the ,moon,and also in the earth.
I saw the Spirit,water,and the blood because I knew what to look for from scripture.
That's what started all this.
I asked him in my heart "if I look out the window,where are you God?And there he was.
Then there he was again,then again,and again.Then I asked "where are you in me?where are the signs?Then I looked at my hands and he showed me a hand sign of all things.Quite a few of them.Over a few days.And to be honest I needed more proof even after seeing him in the skys and the heavens.But when he showed me the hand signs that was more than enough that God was revealing himself to me.One of those days within that week I woke up and the first thing that entered my mind was that my body was a Ark of the Covenant.Which I cried because I was filthy.

The promise given to Abraham was not about a small piece of land.It was the promise given to his remnant."I am your inheritance"
Is what he told his remnant.His Israel.
And Like the Levite remnant I carry the Ark of the Covenant because he is my inheritance.See him sitting on his mercy seat?
The two tablets with the 10 commandments being my lungs?
When I speak the word,is not his word written on "them?"
is his spirit breath not giving them life?
My spine being the staff of Aaron.Is it not budded when my mind is for God?

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The hand sign in my avatar is the sickle being taken to the wise virgins.

 

[2ndTimeIsTheCharm]

The hand sign in my avatar is the sickle being taken to the wise virgins.

Why?

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

The promise given to Abraham was not about a small piece of land.It was the promise given to his remnant."

Oh, but it was though. And it's a very important piece of Land.

 

[CommodoreTeach]

Interestingly enough Abraham always o eyed god by faith then later he was called righteous and then Even later he was tested and was faithful in obedience to God and fulfilled the scriptire that says he believed god and it was counted as righteousness “

this was Abrams faith his first recorded encounter with God in scripture

“Now the LORD had said unto Abram,

Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee: and I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing: and I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee:

and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.

So Abram departed, as the LORD had spoken unto him; and Lot went with him: and Abram was seventy and five years old when he departed out of Haran.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭12:1-4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

that’s faith Abraham didint consider it “ works “ to obey god bit rather god made a promise that of Abraham did what god was telling him to do , god would bless him with all he promised so Abraham acted in faith and obeyed . Left his homeland and set out not even knowing where he was going yet that’s faith .

“By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭11:8‬ ‭KJV‬‬

That’s what we are called to do listen to gods word in the gospel and then believe and follow where he leads us just like Abraham . Had Abraham said he believed god but then didnt obey it , did he actually believe ? Or wouldn’t that be “faith without works is dead ?”

But instead He a man of faith trusted god to lead him so he believed and obeyed what god told him

later after Abraham had left following the lord he begins to wonder that he will never have his own son in order to leave his large inheritance to . So then saria intervenes and suggested he should have a son with Hagar her servant . He does this and has a son , ishmael .

then we come to what Paul’s talking about the promise of a hier

“And, behold, the word of the LORD came unto him, saying, This shall not be thine heir; but he that shall come forth out of thine own bowels shall be thine heir.

And he brought him forth abroad, and said, Look now toward heaven, and tell the stars, if thou be able to number them: and he said unto him, So shall thy seed be. And he believed in the LORD; and he counted it to him for righteousness.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭15:4-6‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Do you see my point at all ? After this all transpired Abrahams faith is tested this parts really important and look how it confirms the covenant promise

“And it came to pass after these things, that God did test Abraham, and said unto him, Abraham: and he said, Behold, here I am. And he said, Take now thy son, thine only son Isaac, whom thou lovest, and get thee into the land of Moriah; and offer him there for a burnt offering upon one of the mountains which I will tell thee of. “


….( look at Abraham’s faith here ) And Isaac spake unto Abraham his father, and said, My father: and he said, Here am I, my son. And he said, Behold the fire and the wood: but where is the lamb for a burnt offering? And Abraham said, My son, God will provide himself a lamb for a burnt offering: so they went both of them together. And Abraham stretched forth his hand, and took the knife to slay his son.

And the angel of the LORD called unto him out of heaven, and said, Abraham, Abraham: and he said, Here am I. And he said, Lay not thine hand upon the lad, neither do thou any thing unto him: for now I know that thou fearest God, seeing thou hast not withheld thy son, thine only son from me.

And the angel of the LORD called unto Abraham out of heaven the second time, and said, By myself have I sworn, saith the LORD, for because thou hast done this thing, and hast not withheld thy son, thine only son: that in blessing I will bless thee, and in multiplying I will multiply thy seed as the stars of the heaven, and as the sand which is upon the sea shore; and thy seed shall possess the gate of his enemies; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my voice.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭22:1-2, 7-8, 10-12, 15-18‬ ‭KJV‬‬

I’ve quoted all that because James teaches this about faith and uses that as an example here to make his point about the scripture regarding Abraham believing god ..

“Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.

Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect? And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.

For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.”
‭‭James‬ ‭2:17, 21-23, 26‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Abraham always believed and obeyed gods word to him. If he hadn’t done the things god said to him he wouldn’t have inherited the covenant. But he did because he believed the lord

I've no issue with works, as you indicate - this is what faith should produce. But as soon as one gets works mixed up with how one is saved, it becomes a damnable heresy.

 

[HeIsHere]

Seriously, why not? Bring in tons of money, tourism would stop the terrorism, and jobs galore would be created. Money rather than blood.

Or are we envious of the entrepreneurs who thought of it. And would rather have BLOOD.

Quite a sad comment.

You justify stealing land, killing babies in their incubators, putting bullets in the heads of children while playing soccer
killing American aid workers and on and on for resorts for the rich and famous.

Beyond belief.

 

[HeIsHere]

@CommodoreTeach just beyond belief.
People do perish from lack of knowledge and they also justify evil.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

I thought if any one was interested that we could discuss why Jesus is not believed by the the jews.
Not regarding the blindness mention in scripture but regarding God's word that was given to them.
To sharpen our swords to what is a very confusing and often misunderstood reasons.
I took the liberty to pick 5 scriptures from the Torah that are found in the New testament for comparison.
I would also like to explore how if we were witnessing to a jew how we would go about resolving the issues.
Now mind you these are God's words from beginning to end. After which if you have any scripture that are relevant please post.

Example

1 Corinthians 15:3 states that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures. Other verses that support this idea include 1 Peter 2:24 and Romans 5:8, which say that Christ bore our sins on the cross and died for us while we were still sinners.

Torah

Deu 24:16 The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin.

Have you ever noticed this

“and not as Moses, which put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:

but their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.

But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart. Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭3:13-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

i think that’s why they have trouble accepting Jesus and the nt

 

[CommodoreTeach]

@CommodoreTeach just beyond belief.
People do perish from lack of knowledge and they also justify evil.

And trying to make out that it is God's will, or has a shred of Christian support - this is what is most terrible. Evil people have always said and done evil things. But to try and sell it as a Christian view supported by scripture... I don't even know what to pray for such people... That God would punish them for such blasphemy, or that he would forgive them for such wickedness? Both seem terrible to pray for.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

I've no issue with works, as you indicate - this is what faith should produce. But as soon as one gets works mixed up with how one is saved, it becomes a damnable heresy.

so are works part of being saved by faith though ? And without works faith is dead ?

“God “will repay each person according to what they have done.

” To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life.

But for those who are self-seeking and who reject the truth and follow evil, there will be wrath and anger.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭2:6-8‬ ‭

 

[CommodoreTeach]

so are works part of being saved by faith though ?‭

No.

And without works faith is dead ?‭

Yes.

“God “will repay each person according to what they have done.

” To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life.

But for those who are self-seeking and who reject the truth and follow evil, there will be wrath and anger.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭2:6-8‬ ‭

Probably this is a topic for another thread? I think this thread is for talking about the evils of Christians (or those claiming to be so) twisting scripture to try to justify the heinous crimes of the modern state of Israel.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

But for those who are self-seeking and who reject the truth and follow evil, there will be wrath and anger.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭2:6-8‬ ‭

Self-seeking is a bad translation IMO. I just don't see it in the definition. I think it refers to a gainsaying, divisive, contentious attitude.

G2052 ἐριθεία eritheia (e-riy-thei'-a) n.
1. (properly) intrigue.
2. (by implication) faction.