Nope, because I left the error of dispensationalism, it does not take much to dismantle it really.
Yeah, I was resistant for a bit, but if one is going to be intellectually honest with scripture and oneself denial can only last so long.
Israel.
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Nope, because I left the error of dispensationalism, it does not take much to dismantle it really.
Yeah, I was resistant for a bit, but if one is going to be intellectually honest with scripture and oneself denial can only last so long.
Of course it doesn't make sense to you. But you were warned so that you can't blame God.
Daniel 12:10 Many will be purified, made spotless and refined, but the wicked will continue to be wicked. None of the wicked will understand, but those who are wise will understand.
Depends what you mean by unprovoked.
There is always provocation in a conflict on both sides, that is why the start is the most important thing to know.
Here's a thing we can all agree on.
Ever notice the decline of countries that support anti semitisim by allowing it.
Have you noticed that these same countries are being over run by the same enemy Israel's fighting against?
Have ya noticed that more terrorists groups are forming with the same agenda as hamas.
Death to israel for alla is great.....last words from former leader of iran . Guess his plane was to heavy for his god to hold up.
Judas thought he was backing the right horse too.
Might I remind everyone that has sided with hamas that unless you become as they are you also will be eliminated.
The evil is right before your eyes yet you deny. Yet fake Israel is the blame. Have you really considered the repercussions of your decision. What is developing right before your eyes is end time prophecy yet you deny Israel as Israel. Who has in its biblical past fought such wars as these. With God's direction.
I really don't get it.
Ever notice the decline of countries that support anti semitisim by allowing it.
Have you noticed that these same countries are being over run by the same enemy Israel's fighting against?
Have ya noticed that more terrorists groups are forming with the same agenda as hamas.
Death to israel for alla is great.....last words from former leader of iran . Guess his plane was to heavy for his god to hold up.
Judas thought he was backing the right horse too.
Might I remind everyone that has sided with hamas that unless you become as they are you also will be eliminated.
The evil is right before your eyes yet you deny. Yet fake Israel is the blame. Have you really considered the repercussions of your decision. What is developing right before your eyes is end time prophecy yet you deny Israel as Israel. Who has in its biblical past fought such wars as these. With God's direction.
I really don't get it.
The Bible says God would scatter then re-gather them never to be uprooted again. No other nation has come back again after that many years. Too many prophecies fulfilled to deny it.
Who says, that the state of Israel is foing that what God says? But the day is nearer then 2000 years ago that they will turn to Christ.wolfwint:
The state of Israel. Keeping the same context as your response to the other member.
And believe it or not. Till today God protectet his choosen people. Although they dont believe His son Jesus Christ.wolfwint:
The state of Israel. Keeping the same context as your response to the other member.
You mean because Israels government is acting as worldly government?
In case of Gaza every government which dont want commit suicide would act like Israel. And much worse then they.
...but never have all of those tribes been known as "JEWS". I've posted our quotes below to point out the portion at issue. You said:
Which is not correct. It's both literally not correct and fundamentally incomplete because while all Jews are Israelites, not all Israelites are Jews. And it's for this reason that many are deceived into believing that the current secular state of Israel is a fulfillment. The details matter. So I responded:
Ezekiel 37:11
Then he said unto me, Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel: behold, they say, Our bones are dried, and our hope is lost: we are cut off for our parts.
"Jews" do not make up the whole house of Israel, but only make up one tribe of Israel...and in the context of Ezekiel 37, the Jews make up only the Southern House, referred to as "Judah" by the Almighty. Meanwhile, the Northern House is referred to as "Ephraim", "Joseph" or "Israel" in some contexts.
Ezekiel 37:16
Moreover, thou son of man, take thee one stick, and write upon it, For Judah, and for the children of Israel his companions: then take another stick, and write upon it, For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim and for all the house of Israel his companions
When we ignore the details of what was actually written, we open the door for deception. Other such incorrect statements include but are not limited to:
(X) Abraham was a Jew
- Not a Jew because Jews are from the man Judah who was the great grandson of Abraham, the Hebrew.
(X) Moses was a Jew
- Not a Jew because Moses was a Levite from Levi the Israelite, the brother of Judah
(X) 144,000 Jews (from Revelation 7)
- Not all Jews as the passage goes on to describe there are only 12000 from Judah, while the rest are from other tribes of Israel.
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So is the modern state of Israel a fulfillment of Ezekiel 37? The answer is no because even if we assume this prophecy is "spiritually" fulfilled rather than being a prophecy of the physical resurrection of the dead in Christ, and assume that the people currently in the land are actually Jews, the modern state of Israel is still missing a return of the people from the Northern House to the land because absolutely no one from the Northern House was ever called "Jew". It's not the "whole house" without the Northern House.
Beware of the leaven of the Pharisees. Just a little leaven puffs up the whole lump.
So you could not deal with the historical facts.
I know it is hard, they tend to pull down the curtain.
Newsflash: The bible clearly teaches ONE CHURCH and all the land promises have been fulfilled!
The promises to the Jewish nation were all conditioned on obedience.
- God did all that He could ever do for the Jews in sending them His prophets and finally His Son.
- He did not cast away His people.
- The very first Christian churches in apostolic times were made up almost entirely of Jews.
- The Israel of God, to whom the promises are made, is spiritual Israel.
- To Abraham and his seed belong the promises. "If ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise."
The whole house of Israel has always been present in Israel. Never in history have they ever been separated in the days we read in the Bible from time's of Moses until 70 AD. It's always been all of the tribes in the State of Israel.
I'll try to be brief, but I encourage you to study it.
Revelation 12:1-12 summarizes that Israel gave birth to Christ, and when Christ ascended to heaven, a war broke out, causing satan and his angels to be cast out of heaven to earth, where satan began pursuing Israel with great wrath.
When did Christ ascend to heaven? In the first century.
When did the Jews' persecution begin? In the first century, with the 70AD destruction and massacre of the people.
Ergo...
satan perverted the order of authority to gain control over the kingdoms of man: the woman listened to the animal, and the man listened to the woman. In Matthew 4:8, satan shows Christ a glimpse of all the kingdoms of the world in an instant and offers it to Him if Christ would submit. Note that Christ never disputed satan's ownership. Later in His ministry, Christ even says:
John 14:30
Hereafter, I will not talk much with you, for the prince/god of this world cometh, and hath nothing in Me
So all the kingdoms of this current world are satan's, which includes the USA, Great Britain and its territories, Russia, China, Germany, etc, and the modern secular state of Israel. It's a fact not disputed by the Messiah. But as long as Messiah was here, His authority superseded satan's. This is why it is so critical that Messiah returns, because until He does, all kingdoms are satan's.
When Messiah ascended to heaven, Rev 12 says satan - now cast to earth having no more a place in heaven - had great wrath knowing his time (in power) was short.
Beware of the Hegelian Dialectic. It's one of satan's tried and true strategies for deception. We've been conditioned to fall into it by everything we consume: politics, movies, TV shows, sports...regardless of which side you eat from, it's still forbidden fruit.
No right to defend or have a homeland until the Messiah comes, as it is written; a Word which must be kept.
Imagine having absolutely nothing to do with the crimes committed against them, and yet you are propagandized into the enemies to destroy; made to pay with your lives.
The facts are tragically indisputable. Only the blind refuse to see. My great hope is that a record is being kept in heaven and that the Almighty is true to His Word. He will wash away every tear, families will be reunited, truth will flourish, and evil people will be wiped from this world like excrement. And on that great day, I will shout "Hallelu YAH!"
In the meantime, my heart aches.
Matthew 5:11 - 12
Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.
Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.
I don't have a lot of time this morning so I'm going to start at the bottom. Why do they have no right to a homeland? Where should they live?
Well, that's great virtue signaling. Also a good job of taking Scripture out of context. But it has nothing to do with facts and history. If you choose to support terrorists, expect people to call you out on it. Don't then play the victim and try to hide behind the Bible.
While anyone from any background can and has turned to Christ (praise God), the secular nation state in question will never do so. It will be absolutely destroyed by the Almighty in time.
The god of this world is indeed protecting his chosen kingdom as best as he can, but truth is prevailing and people's eyes are opening.
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