Can We Really Exercise Free Will?
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Yeah but what’s that have to do with saying it’s a fact that “we’re by nature spiritually dead to god “ and Jesus saying “ he’s not a god of the dead but of the living for all live unto him “?
It was a simple exchange he said one thing Jesus said the opposite in the gospel
It was this exchange
“ fact that man is by nature spiritually dead to god “
v jesus saying this
“For he is not a God of the dead, but of the living: for all live unto him.”
Luke 20:38 KJV
We have a spirit the holy spirit of Jesus comes to be with us a companion ….see
“The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:”
Romans 8:16 KJV
Jesus spirit comes to live within us with our spirit he’s trying to save and redeem from condemnation we aren’t spiritually dead we need the spirit of Christ to come lead us home being bound to the sinful flesh
man’s never been “ spirituallly dead “
“But there is a spirit in man: And the inspiration of the Almighty giveth them understanding.”
Job 32:8 KJV
“The spirit of man is the candle of the LORD, Searching all the inward parts of the belly.”
Proverbs 20:27 KJV
we need the comforter and companion our good shepherd to come to be with us not replace us but save us and lead us home
His spirit witnesses together with our spirit that we are the children of god as the gospel proclaims
We have a spirit that needs to be redeemed because we’re all under a sentance of death because of sin
Jesus spirit comes to be with our spirit to guide and lead and heal and teach us Like it says here
The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:”
We aren’t dead yet unless we reject salvation the our spirit will die in the second death and not be in spiritual prison or hell
Why did Jesus say no one is dead to god ? When he was asked about a dead man’s marriage ?
“For he is not a God of the dead, but of the living: for all live unto him.”
Luke 20:38 KJV
God's power of grace is directly involved in producing in us that which makes us to become spiritually alive.
Grace begets in us our human spirit that opens us up for knowing the spiritual.
John 3:6
That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
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It really highlights some people’s unwillingness to self correct even when facing the words of the lord
“For he is not a God of the dead, but of the living: for all live unto him.”
Luke 20:38 KJV
If I may suggest?
That means the God is the God of the regenerate. The spiritually alive ones.
Jesus' words in John 15 verse 19 and John 14 verse 17 ~ If you were of the world, it would love you as its own. Instead, the world hates you, because you are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world. The world cannot receive Him, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him.
More inability for self-exalting free will idolators to deny...
God who is the First Mover (Primary Cause) and sinners themselves as Efficient [secondary] Causes. Does Rom 9 teach that God will have mercy and compassion on each and every person on the planet w/o exception? Did Jesus teach that he will give life to all men w/o exception? Or that He would reveal the Father to all men w/o exception? Or did Jesus pray for all men w/o exception in his High Priestly prayer in Jn 17?
Elect has to do with the atonement of the Cross.
Election was for those who were born fallen by no choice of their own.
The angels that stayed with God were not created fallen.
They were as they were when they came directly from the hands of God.
You need to be able to grasp this reality if one is ever going to understand the state of God's angels.
I see he didn’t say this ?
“He is not the God of the dead, but of the living, for to him all are alive.””
Luke 20:38 NIV
Jesus' words in John 15 verse 19 and John 14 verse 17 ~ If you were of the world, it would love you as its own. Instead, the world hates you, because you are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world. The world cannot receive Him, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him.
More inability for free will idolators to deny...
Dang that word "CANNOT"! That word needs to be severely watered down -- which FWers are all too eager to do.
You can’t answer a simple question ?
whos responsible if someone doesn’t believe and is damned ?