Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

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cv5 said:
Nonsense.

[Luk 10:30, 33-34 KJV] 30 And Jesus answering said, A certain [man] went down from Jerusalem to Jericho, and fell among thieves, which stripped him of his raiment, and wounded [him], and departed, leaving [him] half dead. ...

33 But a certain Samaritan, as he journeyed, came where he was: and when he saw him, he had compassion [on him],

34 And went to [him], and bound up his wounds, pouring in oil and wine, and set him on his own beast, and brought him to an inn, and took care of him.
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That story doesnt change the fact that man by nature is dead to God.
 
brightfame52 said:
Grace makes alive!
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“For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.”
‭‭John‬ ‭1:17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭3:16‬ ‭

that’s gods grace found in the gospel
 
Magenta said:
We already know she disagrees with the truth. She misrepresents Scripture, she misrepresents others beliefs, she misrepresents herself.
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I wrote not too long ago on the universal principle of the Law of Distrust that can readily be seen in Natural Revelation by everyone who has been given eyes to see. HIH just might be the quintessential poster gal for this Law.
 
brightfame52 said:
That story doesnt change the fact that man by nature is dead to God.
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Unable to receive or comprehend... actually opposed to the spiritual things of God. Scripture says so!

But free willing folks disagree. It does not jive with their idol.
 
Pilgrimshope said:
Look also at johns witness and it’s effect working with Jesus

“If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not. But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.

And many resorted unto him, and said, John did no miracle: but all things that John spake of this man were true. And many believed on him there.”
‭‭John‬ ‭10:37-38, 41-42‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Bit remember which group we are in


“Neither pray I for these alone, ( the chosen apostles ) but for them also which shall believe on me through their word; ( the Bible’s nt ) that they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us:

that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.”
‭‭John‬ ‭17:20-21‬ ‭

The Gospel was sent out from Jerusalem preached by the apostles to all nations so that the world could believe . Thoer words make up the New Testament the four gospels are the apostles witness even Luke he took the account of the apostles and early church . All the epistles also the apostles of Jesus feneretion he blessed and annointed and sent forth spreading the gospel .

what I’m meaning is we aren’t the apostles but those who are meant to receive the apostles message of salvation commissioned by Jesus

“But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judæa, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭1:8‬ ‭KJV‬‬

everywhere the nt is oresched or written in a Bible tbier witness and words make it possible for the world to believe in Jesus the message of the gospel itself
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Assuming your interpretation of "world" as being all men w/o exception, then why did Jesus explicitly omit the "world" from his prayer to his Father in Jn 17?.
 
HeIsHere said:
Separated, not unresponsive.
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Amen ….Seperated by thier own choices so that he wouldn’t hear them

“but your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you, that he will not hear.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭59:2‬ ‭

They made bad choices

“I also will choose their delusions, and will bring their fears upon them; because when I called, none did answer; when I spake, they did not hear: but they did evil before mine eyes, and chose that in which I delighted not.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭66:4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

 
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sawdust said:
Human life at birth, biological life at conception, spiritual life at regeneration.
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So John the Baptist and Jesus weren't human beings while in their mothers' wombs? What kind of "biological" life were they?
 
NightTwister said:
Jesus answered him, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God.” Nicodemus said to him, “How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother’s womb and be born?” Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Do not marvel that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’ - John 3:3–7 (ESV)

Jesus makes that comparison.
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As does everyone who takes the metaphor seriously. There are many parallels between the two -- all of which FWers deny.
 
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brightfame52 said:
@Genez



False, nothing temporary about saving grace, and it actually makes dead sinners alive, not that foolishness you talking about Eph 2:5

5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved)
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If saving grace were not temporary?
We would be constantly getting saved.

Its like the cans of "Flat Fix" for a car's flat tire.
It is only a temporary fix.
The tire needs to be replaced with a new one! (receiving a human spirit)
 
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