Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

[Pilgrimshope]

Can we really exercise faith?

“By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith.

By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭11:7-8‬ ‭KJV‬‬

we can walk by faith

 

[Blain]

Even if we’re “right” about something and someone knows it if our attitude and demeanor isn’t right it’s hard for them to acknowledge what’s been said .

Do you suppose my demanor isn't right?

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Do you suppose my demanor isn't right?

Not at all brother you exhibit one of the best examples of a good demeanor that exists here

i was just discussing what I had thought your point was about how we treat each other especially when we’re discussing gods word

 

[Magenta]

This whole thread is a testament to the fact that many prefer ear-tickling sugar
coated lies (free will) to the truth of what the Bible actually teaches about man.

And they think it funny, too.

 

[GWH]

“By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith.

By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭11:7-8‬ ‭KJV‬‬

we can walk by faith

Yes, and for the same reason we can walk by will/MFW,
because they are essentially synonymous.

 

[Blain]

Not at all brother you exhibit one of the best examples of a good demeanor that exists here

i was just discussing what I had thought your point was about how we treat each other especially when we’re discussing gods word

Thank you for the clarification my friend I appreciate it I was just wondering if perhaps maybe my demeanor is the reason the point isn't getting across but I suppose sometimes people will not recieve no matter what you say.

Debates such as this are good for showing ones true character and it is good for learning patience and humility but on the other hand it also tends to bring out the worst in us so we have to be mindful of our thoughts in such debates and consider if the spirit is in them or not

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Thank you for the clarification my friend I appreciate it I was just wondering if perhaps maybe my demeanor is the reason the point isn't getting across but I suppose sometimes people will not recieve no matter what you say.

Debates such as this are good for showing ones true character and it is good for learning patience and humility but on the other hand it also tends to bring out the worst in us so we have to be mindful of our thoughts in such debates and consider if the spirit is in them or not

Indeed but also an argument has to go both ways of that makes sense . If someone insults me personally , I don’t have to realiate I can let it pass by or just ignore it and let the character show and our character grow as we put into practice the things we’ve learned from Jesus

I am remembering some proverbs and how sinple some of that wisdom is how silence on response to an offense can tamp down an argument or how a kind word in the face of an insult can take the steam out of momentum for confrontation

what I mean is in this world we’re going to be in situations where we’re not comfortable and we can begin to apply the gospel in practice on our lives like starting to consciously make a point not to respond to obvious intents of arguments and insults ect rather than just reacting from emotion we can begin to ponder the doctrine Christ taught us about being gentle to people and patient with them and not responding evil for evil and insult for insult not needing them to acknowledge you are right before we can end the argument ect

By abiding in his teachings those behaviors get imparted to us as we begin to apply and trust that it’s the right thing Jesus taught us and so n and I n we’re growing and becoming more capable of dealing with situations like for instance an argumentative discussion forum

if someone insults me thisnisnt an excuse for me to respond in kind but an opportunity for me to step out in faith and act in gods way conveyed to believers in the gospel

“But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; that ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven:

for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭5:44-45‬ ‭KJV‬‬

 

[Magenta]

Do you suppose my demeanor isn't right?

Hardly matters what you say or how you say it once they brand you a Calvinist.

They'll lie their faces off and then tell you you are not acting like a Christian.

Makes you wonder how they think a Christian is supposed to act.

Because they find their false accusations and blatant lies acceptable to tell in the first place.

And you will find that some prefer to blaspheme God than ever admit they are wrong.

 

[Blain]

Indeed but also an argument has to go both ways of that makes sense . If someone insults me personally , I don’t have to realiate I can let it pass by or just ignore it and let the character show and our character grow as we put into practice the things we’ve learned from Jesus

I am remembering some proverbs and how sinple some of that wisdom is how silence on response to an offense can tamp down an argument or how a kind word in the face of an insult can take the steam out of momentum for confrontation

what I mean is in this world we’re going to be in situations where we’re not comfortable and we can begin to apply the gospel in practice on our lives like starting to consciously make a point not to respond to obvious intents of arguments and insults ect rather than just reacting from emotion we can begin to ponder the doctrine Christ taught us about being gentle to people and patient with them and not responding evil for evil and insult for insult not needing them to acknowledge you are right before we can end the argument ect

By abiding in his teachings those behaviors get imparted to us as we begin to apply and trust that it’s the right thing Jesus taught us and so n and I n we’re growing and becoming more capable of dealing with situations like for instance an argumentative discussion forum

if someone insults me thisnisnt an excuse for me to respond in kind but an opportunity for me to step out in faith and act in gods way conveyed to believers in the gospel

“But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; that ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven:

for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭5:44-45‬ ‭KJV‬‬

This is true wisdom right here I encourage all who read this to take it to heart bravo and well said

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Yes, and for the same reason we can walk by will/MFW,
because they are essentially synonymous.

Yea I’ve been suggesting that we come up with a definition for some of the terms we argue about lol I don’t think we’re all indersrsnd the same things like what “Will “ means or even is how it operates ? Does it work in conjunction with the knowledge in our hearts and minds ? Ect but It sort of went down the whirlpool and I still think from reading many thoughts in the thread we aren’t even legitimately arguing about the same subject lol just arguing for the sake of arguing

 

[Pilgrimshope]

This is true wisdom right here I encourage all who read this to take it to heart bravo and well said

Just reflecting on what you were saying earlier brother when we can discuss in peace and with patience and the right spirit we edify each other

 

[Blain]

Hardly matters what you say or how you say it once they brand you a Calvinist.

They'll lie their faces off and then tell you you are not acting like a Christian.

Makes you wonder how they think a Christian is supposed to act.

Because they find their false accusations and blatant lies acceptable to tell in the first place.

And you will find that some prefer to blaspheme God than ever admit they are wrong.

There are those who do not respond well to being called out or shown truth and so they turn to labeling or name calling sadly not all are qualified are to be debates such as this

 

[Magenta]

There are those who do not respond well to being called out or shown truth and so they
turn to labeling or name calling sadly not all are qualified are to be debates such as this

Qualified... well, their hackles raise at the suggestion anyone is called out of the world. What do you expect?

On the other hand, if they are not called out of the world they have no right to call themselves Christian.

They really paint themselves into a corner.

 

[Magenta]

How many times has it been denied that spiritual revelation is key?

Matthew 11 verse 27 ~ All things have been entrusted to Me by My Father. No one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal Him.

 

[Genez]

From the looks of things even in the NC and surely in history, that "prophetic" didn't take long to begin.

It has become like the fake news network.

Keeping the truth far from being heard (if they had it their way).

 

[cv5]

It may be how it is but it is not how it should be, where do the scriptures say to act one way in church but another outside of it? it doesn't the scriptures say what they say there is no loop hole around it to act a certain way here then another there either you obey the word of God or you don't you don't get to pick and choose.

The verse you posted has nothing to do with acting like children bickering with each other it speaks of how truth is wielded but where does it say to bocker amongst ourselves?
Galatians 5:15:
"But if you bite and devour one another, take heed that you be not consumed one of another
1 Thessalonians 5:11 states, "Therefore encourage one another and build each other up, just as in fact you are doing
John 13:34-35, Jesus gives a new commandment: "A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another: just as I have loved you, you also are to love one another. By this all men will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another."

2 Timothy 2:23-26, which advises against foolish and divisive arguments and encourages gentleness in teaching, and Philippians 2:14, which urges believers to do everything without grumbling or arguing. Additionally, Proverbs 20:3 suggests that avoiding fights is a mark of honor, while Proverbs 15:1 highlights the power of a soft answer to diffuse anger.

So it may be your opinion that I am over reacting but the scriptures say otherwise

When dire persecution arises the Biblical mandate is to flee. However, when the evil ones are firing up the ovens, fighting for your life and the life of your family may mean taking up arms and making a defense.

If did not already know, the earthy saints are literally engaged in armed warfare against the AC and his armies so noted in Revelation. Years of armed warfare in fact.

 

[GWH]

Yea I’ve been suggesting that we come up with a definition for some of the terms we argue about lol I don’t think we’re all indersrsnd the same things like what “Will “ means or even is how it operates ? Does it work in conjunction with the knowledge in our hearts and minds ? Ect but It sort of went down the whirlpool and I still think from reading many thoughts in the thread we aren’t even legitimately arguing about the same subject lol just arguing for the sake of arguing

Yes, I call it playing pin-pong.

 

[Kroogz]

That's what makes you a Pelagian heretic: you do not believe what the Bible says of man.

You do not believe what the Bible says of GOD. You are so stuck on the creature that you cannot see what the Creator did to FIX the problem of His creation.

 

[Genez]

Galatians 5:15:
"But if you bite and devour one another, take heed that you be not consumed one of another
1 Thessalonians 5:11 states, "Therefore encourage one another and build each other up, just as in fact you are doing
John 13:34-35, Jesus gives a new commandment: "A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another: just as I have loved you, you also are to love one another. By this all men will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another."

The Galatian church was under attack from the Judaizers who were trying to turn the previously gentile Galatians into
Mosaic Law-abiding people. No, grace and truth!

There was a major conflict going on with these false teachers trying to take over the minds of these yet naive gentile believers who did not yet know any better! They were fighting amongst themselves over it! Condemning one another based upon following the Law, not grace.

You foolish Galatians! ​

Who has bewitched you? ​

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Before your very eyes, Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed as crucified. ​

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I would like to learn just one thing from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, ​

or by believing what you heard? Are you so foolish? After beginning by means of the Spirit, are you ​

now trying to finish by means of the flesh?​

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Galatians 3:1-3​

 

[Genez]

You do not believe what the Bible says of GOD. You are so stuck on the creature that you cannot see what the Creator did to FIX the problem of His creation.

They follow a clique bonding dogma.
Some just have an affinity for it in their flesh, and refuse to be reasoned into correction.
For they have formed a mutual admiration society.

They cherish more the opinions of their own kind, than willing to reason with God,
to find themselves standing (initially) alone before God with no man's approval they desire to have.