Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

[Magenta]

Leonard Cohen - Suzanne

 

[sawdust]

Yeah, I heard how God gives partial regeneration but no scripture on it.

That's because it's a waste of time. You were given scripture but because you refuse to see what @Genez actually meant by the term "partial regeneration", you are unable to understand how the scriptures point to it.

Here, once again.

John 16:8
And when He has come, He will convict the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:

John 6:45
It is written in the prophets, ‘And they shall all be taught by God.’ Therefore everyone who has heard and learned from the Father comes to Me.

The above occurs before salvation, before regeneration. God does not save unbelievers, yet you would have us believe that He does. According to you, you were saved while an unbeliever unable to see or hear then suddenly God made you alive with Him, an unbeliever. Only after you were saved as an unbeliever, were you then made able to believe.

 

[Mem]

Everyone has ears to hear, and everyone has eyes to see. It's said that we use the same faculties in reading the written world as we do in listening to the spoken word. And I might argue that the blind sees better than some able sighted individuals.

 

[Magenta]

His sheep hear His voice.

John 5 v 24-25 ~ Truly, truly, I tell you, whoever hears My word and believes Him who sent Me has eternal life and will not come under judgment. Indeed, he has crossed over from death to life. Truly, truly, I tell you, the hour is coming and has now come when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God, and those who hear will live.

 

[fredoheaven]

Genesis 3:22 KJV — And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

That despite Adam's fall, man is capable ok knowing good and evil. We have to remember, that Adam and Eve sure death is not only about physically but spiritually and yet they are still capable of knowing what is good from evil.

 

[Magenta]

John 10 verses 27-28 My sheep hear My voice, I know them and they follow Me. I give them eternal life, and they will never perish. No one can snatch them out of My hand.

 

[cv5]

That's because it's a waste of time. You were given scripture but because you refuse to see what @Genez actually meant by the term "partial regeneration", you are unable to understand how the scriptures point to it.

Here, once again.

John 16:8
And when He has come, He will convict the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:

John 6:45
It is written in the prophets, ‘And they shall all be taught by God.’ Therefore everyone who has heard and learned from the Father comes to Me.

The above occurs before salvation, before regeneration. God does not save unbelievers, yet you would have us believe that He does. According to you, you were saved while an unbeliever unable to see or hear then suddenly God made you alive with Him, an unbeliever. Only after you were saved as an unbeliever, were you then made able to believe.

So these super-determinists are telling us that God only does a pre-gospel (pre-birth) "blindsided salvation"? And that the kerygma only comes afterwards as a result of the foregoing?

Sounds a lot like that shotgun wedding scenario that I keep bringing up.

 

[Mem]

Genesis 3:22 KJV — And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

That despite Adam's fall, man is capable ok knowing good and evil. We have to remember, that Adam and Eve sure death is not only about physically but spiritually and yet they are still capable of knowing what is good from evil.

They knew they'd become acquainted with evil, and they knew they'd just brought in what was 'not good' or they wouldn't have hid. It was then that God expelled them from the presence of the tree of life "lest they reach out their hand and eat of it and live forever' with the acquaintance of calamity.

 

[cv5]

Everyone has ears to hear, and everyone has eyes to see. It's said that we use the same faculties in reading the written world as we do in listening to the spoken word. And I might argue that the blind sees better than some able sighted individuals.

Evidently, mouldering skeletons laying in the boiler room of the Titanic can hear better than the super-determinist's next door neighbour that complains about the lawnmower.

Anyways that's the Biblical perspective contrasted with their doctrine as far as I can tell.

 

[Mem]

Evildoers bring that cause misery. And Gooddoers are those that bring comfort. I came to that conclusion going by the word study of the words 'good' and 'evil' in Genesis. So that in saying, 'no one does good' means that no one brings comfort, we've all brought about misery, both upon others and upon ourselves. Only God is good, only God brings comfort.

 

[Cameron143]

That's because it's a waste of time. You were given scripture but because you refuse to see what @Genez actually meant by the term "partial regeneration", you are unable to understand how the scriptures point to it.

Here, once again.

John 16:8
And when He has come, He will convict the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:

John 6:45
It is written in the prophets, ‘And they shall all be taught by God.’ Therefore everyone who has heard and learned from the Father comes to Me.

The above occurs before salvation, before regeneration. God does not save unbelievers, yet you would have us believe that He does. According to you, you were saved while an unbeliever unable to see or hear then suddenly God made you alive with Him, an unbeliever. Only after you were saved as an unbeliever, were you then made able to believe.

Belief is evidence of salvation. It means that the Spirit of God employing the word of God produced faith.

 

[lrs68]

What unmitigated nonsense! So, were all the false prophets, false teachers, false preachers and false shepherds "only mere generations from the Apostles"! So, what is you point, again? As I posted once: 24 of the 26 NT books contain warnings about such people -- and all those books were written in the first century! And false gospels still abound today in this dark, forlorn world!

Your skin must crawl and gnarl whenever truth refutes your viewpoint.

Your answer screams don't leave me in the sunlight I am melting

 

[Magenta]

Belief is evidence of salvation. It means that the Spirit of God employing the word of God produced faith.

Jesus' words in Matthew 17 v 20-21
Faith the size of a mustard seed moved the mountain of my unbelief. .

 

[sawdust]

Belief is evidence of salvation. It means that the Spirit of God employing the word of God produced faith.

Our believing is not faith. Been through it time and time again. Belief is the evidence of what we are, a believer. Faith is the evidence of who God is, faithful.

You simply can't deny your theology has God saving unbelievers.

Where's the scripture for that one?

 

[Cameron143]

Our believing is not faith. Been through it time and time again. Belief is the evidence of what we are, a believer. Faith is the evidence of who God is, faithful.

You simply can't deny your theology has God saving unbelievers.

Where's the scripture for that one?

Of course God saves unbelievers. Believers are already saved.
Acts 2:37.

 

[Magenta]

Of course God saves unbelievers. Believers are already saved.

Nobody is born a believer...

Cameron, your hand-holding ability is amazing.

Perhaps raising eight children has something to do with that...

 

[Pilgrimshope]

John 11:1-3

Now a man named Lazarus was sick. He was from Bethany, the village of Mary and her sister Martha. ​

(This Mary, whose brother Lazarus now lay sick, was the same one who poured perfume on the Lord ​

and wiped his feet with her hair.) So the sisters sent word to Jesus, “Lord, the one you love is sick.”​

​

Lazarus was from a family of strong believers.
They said that Jesus in the past revealed that he loved Lazarus.

Thanks for clarifying the position it’s appreciated

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Of course God saves unbelievers. Believers are already saved.
Acts 2:37.

Lol yeah there’s a group that doesn’t need saving because they’re already saved

“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;

but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Who’s already saved ? And who shall be saved if they believe ?

 

[Blain]

That's because it's a waste of time. You were given scripture but because you refuse to see what @Genez actually meant by the term "partial regeneration", you are unable to understand how the scriptures point to it.

Here, once again.

John 16:8
And when He has come, He will convict the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:

John 6:45
It is written in the prophets, ‘And they shall all be taught by God.’ Therefore everyone who has heard and learned from the Father comes to Me.

The above occurs before salvation, before regeneration. God does not save unbelievers, yet you would have us believe that He does. According to you, you were saved while an unbeliever unable to see or hear then suddenly God made you alive with Him, an unbeliever. Only after you were saved as an unbeliever, were you then made able to believe.

These verses are not saying anything about being regenerated they are speaking of totally different things especially when understood in context what was the chapter about when you pulled these verses?

You cannot just take a verse out of context and try to make it say something it isn't.

 

[Kroogz]

I have told them all I tell you, but I would never answer that question the way you proposed I would.

@Cameron143 You need to understand that MANY think you would answer that way. So clear it up for us please.

Dad? Yes?

What must I do to be saved?

Tell us please.