You still haven't come to the correct understanding of "world" in the verses I posted. They most certainly mean every single individual.
Can We Really Exercise Free Will?
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Look at him spew all this light and love. Is there actually a Christian church that exist full of people who act like this.?
yes ...
God is sovereign over all ... from beginning to end of this world ... to life everlasting in the next.
As we observe what is going on in our day and time, the foolishness of mankind ... as well as the evil ... we could easily succumb to fear. But as we study God's Word concerning end time writings, our faith is strengthened as we consider/see that God's Word is unraveling before our very eyes ... nothing that is going on in our day and time comes as a surprise to God ... He's got everything well under control and we can trust Him to guide us through trying times.
As far as the integrity of God ... yes, we can rely on every single promise He makes to us ... we can avoid missteps as He guides us through the affairs of this life. He will absolutely keep His promises toward us (whether believer – receiving the blessing He promises ... or unbeliever – receiving the consequence of rejecting His promises). I love the verses in Hebrews where God tells us
Hebrews 6:13-20 For when God made promise to Abraham, because he could swear by no greater, he sware by himself, Saying, Surely blessing I will bless thee, and multiplying I will multiply thee. And so, after he had patiently endured, he obtained the promise. For men verily swear by the greater: and an oath for confirmation is to them an end of all strife. Wherein God, willing more abundantly to shew unto the heirs of promise the immutability of his counsel, confirmed it by an oath: That by two immutable things, in which it was impossible for God to lie, we might have a strong consolation, who have fled for refuge to lay hold upon the hope set before us: Which hope we have as an anchor of the soul, both sure and stedfast, and which entereth into that within the veil; Whither the forerunner is for us entered, even Jesus, made an high priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.
absolutely impossible for God to lie ... His promises hold fast ... God binds Himself to His Word by His eternal Person ... as we flee for refuge and hope in His promises, we let go of formerly held beliefs (which brings an end to all strife) ... in order to enter into that within the veil ... this is where we rest ... this is where He holds us fast to Him ... this is where we know that we know that we know that whatever we face in this life – whether good or the lions den / fiery furnace – God will see us through ... our soul is anchored and we are no longer buffeted by stormy seas.
just some thoughts on the matter ...
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It means it went out to the whole world so that everyone could make thier choice. Not that it went out only to the electof the world. I understand that it going out to the whole world so his elect have a way home and the non elect have no excuse. That has the same effect as limited atonement. It won't change the number of saved vs unsaved either way.
If it doesn't align to Jesus then it's wrong.
That means it must align to what Jesus said which means your interpretation is wrong.
Would you want to?
God foreordains the path of his righteous.
The wicked get free will.
This is how Jesus explained it to me.
So, you can:
1. Work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.
OR
2. Build the kingdom, help people to understand, serve righteously and your path is set.
Its like brushing your teeth. Jesus wants you to brush your teeth. If you decide not to, you lose teeth. So, its not like being an NPC, you choose the good life or you dont.
God foreordains the path of his righteous.
The wicked get free will.
This is how Jesus explained it to me.
So, you can:
1. Work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.
OR
2. Build the kingdom, help people to understand, serve righteously and your path is set.
Its like brushing your teeth. Jesus wants you to brush your teeth. If you decide not to, you lose teeth. So, its not like being an NPC, you choose the good life or you dont.
reliance on redefining every term tbat doesn’t agree isn’t a good method
What I mean is this method isn’t a good one
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”
John 3:16 KJV
“yeah but you don’t get it the world doesn’t mean every one “
thats just avoiding what it says like this
“For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.”
1 Timothy 2:3-4 KJV
“ yeah but you don’t get it all men doesn’t mean all men “ it’s just avoiding what would correct the thought when we do that
“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;
but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
Mark 16:15-16 KJV
“ yeah but you don’t get it that’s not talking about all creatures “ it would be like a math class where every time someone says one plus one equals Two ….but then someone said “ yeah you guys just don’t get it one doesn’t really mean one “
“My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: and he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for our's only, but also for the sins of the whole world.”
1 John 2:1-2 KJV
“yeah but you just don’t understand Jesus didint die for everyone’s sins only the chosen ones “ ….only the saved ones .
thats a bad method of learning anything from scripture, it’s more like molding and shaping scripture to fit your own opinion and interpretations when we have to do that
“and said unto the woman, Now we believe, not because of thy saying: for we have heard him ourselves, and know that this is indeed the Christ, the Saviour of the world.”
John 4:42 KJV
there’s not a human that’s ever been born who Jesus death doesn’t cover thoer sins the problem is many of them reject him all together because they don’t want to have a God telling them what to do so they’ll live they want to live thier own way that’s the real issue .
Some realize if they come to Jesus he’s going to rebuke and reprove tbier sins and they’ll have to stop but they don’t want to do they intentionally stay in the shadows away from the light
“And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.”
John 3:19-21 KJV
It’s not that he didint invite them it’s that they didint want to come they didn’t like the dress code or they didn’t like the menu they want to have rhier own party tboer way not be part of his party his way
man having free Will is the reason we’re in the boat we’re in many choose the evil because it feels good to the flesh but assuredly they choose
Thanks, and who are those cited in Rev. 7:9?
Whoever is thirsty, and whoever wishes for the water of life per Rev. 22:17.
No wonder the number is a great multitude, because God loves everyone and prevents no one from seeking salvation!
(John 3:16, Romans 5:8, 1Tim. 2:3-4, 1John 4:7-12)
Because you can't tell me what the world means in the verses I posted. You know, but you are entrenched in reformed theology. Your theology means more than the truth.
1 John 2:2
and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
2 Cor 5:19
namely, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not counting their wrongdoings against them, and He has committed to us the word of reconciliation.
Reformed theology is a natural theology. So your "go to" verse applies.
1 Cor2:14
But a natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned.
Saved, but one has never eaten, metabolized and applied sound doctrine.
Notice how sins are never mentioned in the final judgement. They are all paid for.
But EVIL(human good) is not paid for.
The word is kosmos. It refers to the entire creation. Mankind is merely a part of creation. Jesus came to destroy the works of the Satan. It's not only humanity that He is making new.
Sister. May I suggest to you that the only CONSISTENT arminian is an open theist?Now now, He knew THOSE men just not which ones specifically.
Obviously God is not omniscient in studier's view. Another open theist?
I would not be surprised.
Luckily most arminians aint consistent in their view. I take open theism to be a HERESY. It robs God of His power and key attributes that make him God. A god who makes mistakes and oopsies and is surprised is no god at all.
Having exhaustive foreknowledge of the future (AND THE PAST!!!) is part of the TEST to see WHO is the real God as we can read in the trial of the false gods in Isaiah.
God knows not only what will happen, but what did happen and WHY it happened.
Thank you so much for that information... you know it is interesting that these free willing folks really hate the idea of a man's inability and yet Arminianism and also open-theism Molinism teach it as well, and they've been informed of this many times but they don't like to be educated because that would mean having to change their views. They love their CDS as much as they love their heresy.
THE PERSON DOESNT WANT NO GIFT. The natural man CANNOT receive a gift for it is a SPIRITUAL gift. They will not and cannot come UNLESS God acts first.
Thats just the Bible.
If you dont wanna accept the clear biblical teaching then oh well.
Is this really the standard for truth? My son asks "If Jesus is God, why is He praying to himself"?
I guess he just disproved the deity of Christ there!
That is the whole point ... they do not accept the Bible teaching. They believe the incurably wicked heart of the unregenerated man produces his own faith...
People hate gifts, see that every single day. Oh right they only hate the gift from God!
I guess the disciples were forced to follow Christ Jesus around to!