Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

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Jackson129 said:
I heard all walks and kinds tell of why they came to God. I got scared into it.
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Fear of God is the beginning of wisdom. The natural/unregenerated man has zero fear of God.

Do you not realize that God’s kindness leads you to repentance?
 
reneweddaybyday said:
sometimes prison is the only place some will actually sit and listen to the Word of God ... out in the world, there are too many distractions ... hopefully when released they'll stay involved in the church and away from the activities that put them behind bars in the first place. I thank God for prison ministries.
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Amen!
 
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sawdust said:
I think you might be misunderstanding what @Rufus is saying. He is saying Satan was cast out of heaven when Christ was victorious on the Cross much like Adam was cast out of the Garden. He is not saying they occurred at the same time.

John 12:31
Now is the judgment of this world, now shall the ruler of this world be cast out;

It is my understanding the Cross event saw Satan finally evicted from God's (third) heaven so he is now constrained to space/time. I believe in those last seven years he will be constrained even further to the Earth only (which includes it's atmosphere).

Prior to the Cross Satan had access to heaven as you noted in the story of Job.
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Yes, that is generally my view also :geek:
 
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Magenta said:
Fear of God is the beginning of wisdom. The natural/unregenerated man has zero fear of God.

Do you not realize that God’s kindness leads you to repentance?
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Aaahhhmmm.....there is no such thing as legit "repentance" in the super-determinist economy. Right?

I mean how can anybody repent or believe the gospel before they were ever born? And why is any of this necessary at all seeing as a pre-birth lottery is the operating principle?
 
Kroogz said:
You are not to understand. The jig would be up if they used plain and understandable language.
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It's plain and understandable that NOBODY (Jesus, Paul or anyone else) was teaching TULIP, Calvinism or any other similarly draconian doctrine.

[Mat 4:23 NKJV] 23 And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing all kinds of sickness and all kinds of disease among the people.

[Mat 9:35 NKJV] 35 Then Jesus went about all the cities and villages, teaching in their synagogues, preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing every sickness and every disease among the people.

[Act 5:42 NKJV] 42 And daily in the temple, and in every house, they did not cease teaching and preaching Jesus [as] the Christ.

[Col 1:28 NKJV] 28 Him we preach, warning every man and teaching every man in all wisdom, that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus.

Because of course such doctrine runs counter to:

[1Ti 2:4 NKJV] 4 who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.

[1Jo 1:5 NKJV] 5 This is the message which we have heard from Him and declare to you, that God is light and in Him is no darkness at all.
 
reneweddaybyday said:
sometimes prison is the only place some will actually sit and listen to the Word of God ... out in the world, there are too many distractions ... hopefully when released they'll stay involved in the church and away from the activities that put them behind bars in the first place. I thank God for prison ministries.
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Yes!

Equal privilege and equal opportunity.

The calvies cannot see this. Prison may be a blessing in disguise for many that need the brick wall rather than a gentle nudge.
 
Magenta said:
Do you not realize that God’s kindness leads you to repentance?
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The calvies don't believe your above statement. The natural man can't see nor hear the kindness of God until they are saved.....According to the calvies.


Rom 5:8
But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.

John 3:16
“For God so loved the world(Sinners), that He gave His only Son, so that everyone who believes in Him will not perish, but have eternal life.

Acts 16:31
They said, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household.”

Believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and you shall be saved......That goes for You and ANYBODY you witness to.

Salvation Is offered to ALL........Simply, believe in the Lord Jesus Christ.
 
Kroogz said:
The calvies don't believe your above statement.
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In fact there is no ontological "leading" either. Or following for that matter.

Because the super-determinist modality requires neither desire nor will. Every twitch or shuffle or ambulation is nothing more than a pre-programmed robotic assignment, devoid of true life or true love.
 
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