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TabinRivCA

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You have established your people Israel as your very own forever, and you, Yahweh, have become their God” (2 Samuel 7:23-24)
Paul explains that the gifts and calling (of Israel) by God are irrevocable. Even in unbelief, Israel as a nation remains elect - chosen and called by God for His purposes in history.
The New Jerusalem is the fulfillment of all God's promises and exemplifies His goodness. The Apostle John gives his final vision in Revelation of the Holy City for all those who believe in Jesus Christ and are covered by his blood to dwell with Him forever.

No one really has to defend Israel/Jews, God has it handled. God's son, a Rabbi, was sent to serve His purpose of offering salvation to all who believe on Him. Looks like believers will be living in The New Jerusalem✝✡🙌🙌🙌.
 
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Context and who is being addressed does not alter the "if" condition.

Agreed?

In other words, being Jewish does not make the promise unconditional.
Nope, you cant use s text universal, if it is adressed to a certain group. In this case the 12 tribes of Israel.
 

HeIsHere

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So.......What kind of a curse is going to come upon us believers that think Israel is still to be dealt with?
No curse, but the closest walk with God comes from agreeing with Him.

I think He makes it quite clear.

A person is not a Jew who is one only outwardly, nor is circumcision merely outward and physical.
No, a person is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is circumcision of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the written code. Such a person’s praise is not from other people, but from God.
Romans 2:28-29
 

Yahshua

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I will tell you something about me. Im a jew from my mom's side. She did a DNA test and they traced it back to 2 cousins around the time of David of the ashkenaz line. From the Armenian region. Thats pretty dang specific. In fact her dad belonged to some super orthodox church that had some kind of written records that went back who knows how far. Now when he married my grandma. Even though she was a jew she didnt have a traceable bloodline. They kicked him out of the church for marring some one who couldn't be confirmed from a certain tribe. Made him pay some ridiculous fee that was more than the cost of a house at the time. Trust me there's records written and now in DNA that go way back.
I'll stay away from anything personal. I'll say that this passage will soon be very apropos:

Jereiam 16:19
O Lord, my strength, and my fortress, and my refuge in the day of affliction, the Gentiles shall come unto thee from the ends of the earth, and shall say, Surely our fathers have inherited lies, vanity, and things wherein there is no profit.
 

Yahshua

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So if it was 1 million instead of 6 that would change anything?
Yes, in fact, the number of casualties would change. And if it were about only 100k-200k, that would be a huge change also.

The African Transatlantic slave trade was followed by slavery. Those victims averaged 15-20 million according to conservative scholarly estimates.

I think it's done for a reason, to make sure it never happens again to anyone, not just the Jewish people. The point at the time was to stop the Nazi's lies and denials of what they had done. That was why the German people were forced to walk through the camps, so no one could deny what took place.
It would seem the victims didn't learn the lessons, with the genocide they're committing now, so the argument that it was to prevent it from happening again to anyone is weak. I would agree, however, that it was done for a reason. It's the same reason why we keep changing the definition of antisemitism. It's to maintain the official narrative and give the state a license to act with impunity, where nothing they do can be questioned or criticized. For example, simply publishing the following video was treated as a crime against Jewish people and was removed from YouTube.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1KwksL-onuOtFWaNmIFArrW528I_Jx9Ff/view?usp=sharing

...and notice that just the facts are shown. The math ain't mathing...
 

Yahshua

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It is INSANE.

The Jews~~The world hates them. Many believers dismiss them. Many believers hate them. Many believers accuse them. Satan wants them dead. Muslims want them dead.

Yeah, the Jews are irrelevant! Not. Just the time spent on the Jews/Israel on this tiny forum CONFIRMS God is not finished with Israel.

The most talked about people in the world....The Jew. Gods Chosen people.
...and when the Messiah comes, there are going to be a LOT of people weeping and gnashing their teeth when it is revealed just how much they've been deceived by satan. It's going to be a humbling experience because many believers who have always been told all their lives they were Jewish will learn they're grafted in as Gentiles. It shouldn't matter because we're all supposed to be new creatures in Christ (crucifying the old man), but it will matter to many. Hopefully, their faith in Christ remains. Hopefully, it's not revealed that they only believed when they thought they had special genealogy.

And then to the Christian Gentiles who blindly supported a rogue state while villifying many other people groups, they will weep bitterly when they realize they've been mistreating the least of Christ's brothers and sisters during their time of tribulation (i.e., "being scattered, forgetting who they are, their ongoing extermination, their mistreatment by the nations, their poverty, and worshipping other gods/false religions"); the time of the gentiles...as it is written.
 

HeIsHere

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...and when the Messiah comes, there are going to be a LOT of people weeping and gnashing their teeth when it is revealed just how much they've been deceived by satan. It's going to be a humbling experience because many believers who have always been told all their lives they were Jewish will learn they're grafted in as Gentiles. It shouldn't matter because we're all supposed to be new creatures in Christ (crucifying the old man), but it will matter to many. Hopefully, their faith in Christ remains. Hopefully, it's not revealed that they only believed when they thought they had special genealogy.

And then to the Christian Gentiles who blindly supported a rogue state while villifying many other people groups, they will weep bitterly when they realize they've been mistreating the least of Christ's brothers and sisters during their time of tribulation (i.e., "being scattered, forgetting who they are, their ongoing extermination, their mistreatment by the nations, their poverty, and worshipping other gods/false religions"); the time of the gentiles...as it is written.
Bravo!
Well stated and needs to be repeated.

Disgusting how people defend or are silent on the killing of innocent children and mass starvation
Christians are going to be regarded in very bad light when this all comes to its bitter end.

I posted this on another thread but these kinds of statements give me some hope.

 

lrs68

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The American made weapons malfunctioned and went off course and why the United States addressed the issue.