A misconception of obedience

[Ouch]

As you just said in your response, they were not yet Spirit Baptized, they had been water Baptized, not yet by Father and Jesus as one with them in God's Spirit and truth (Spirit) Baptized, yet. God came upon these through using Paul (A willing vessel) and they were made new instantly, by God Father in the risen Son Jesus for them, which words from others cannot reveal this truth These that are born new, just know it and are rested from working as a show and tell, flesh attitude to be accepted by others, No need, since by God these are born new by God's done work of Son for them, first. I have tried and can't, seeing only God can, and does. I know what my motive is, I do not know others as God knows all motives, Romans 8:15-16. I do know, just love all as is the call I see and stand in belief to God over the done work of Son for all. that got done for all in Son for us all to choose. above all else, being new in thankfulness, to God personally.
Be careful not to misunderstand the mystery revealed today by Father and Son for us all to be new in love and mercy given us first, in the reconciliation first as forgiven, by Father thanks to Son doing willingly what is now done, presently and forever, since that cross once for us all to choose to believe God or not consciously so, that is done through Son for us all, to believe truth from God over many errors in this world still here. that cross in the willing death first is done once for us all to be born new in His resurrection, thank you. That only Daddy, PaPa, Father can reveal and does to one person at a time. thank you
No more under Law, that besets people to error(s) and those under Law continue to put people in guilt and pride, that has nothing to do with mercy given us from God Father and Son as Won for us all to be new in love and mercy as given us first by God through Son. thank you Father

Acts 19 HIS word says it. And true they were not spirit baptized BUT THEY ALSO were NOT BAPITZED in JESUS name and need to be.

Why would you say "they were made new instantly" WHERE DID THAT COME FROM, WERE DID YOU READ THAT?

The fact that you don't agree with being baptized in JESUS name removing sins is just the opposite of what HIS WORD says.

Do you realize that the new testament rebirth didn't start until JESUS ascended in Acts 1??? EVERYONE who was baptized by john had to be re baptized!!

Scripture proving that.

Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Acts 22:16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

AND in Mark it says this,
16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;

So his word is clear, if not baptized you shall be damned! AND you will speak with new tongues!!

Paul knows what is necessary to be reborn.

In Acts 19 Paul asked "Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed?"

He also asked "Unto what then were ye baptized?"

JESUS said in,

John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

End result, they never was filled with the Holy Ghost AND never had their sins removed because they were not baptized in JESUS name only in Johns.

Paul bapitzed them, laid hands on them and this happened, "6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied."

So I'm just sharing HIS word, it's fine if you disagree that is between you and him.

 

[Wansvic]

Water Baptism, made public for the first time by John the Baptist, why?
John was the Son of

Luke 1:5-25
The Birth of John the Baptist Foretold
In the time of Herod king of Judea there was a priest named Zechariah, who belonged to the priestly division of Abijah; his wife Elizabeth was also a descendant of Aaron. Both of them were righteous in the sight of God, observing all the Lord’s commands and decrees blamelessly. But they were childless because Elizabeth was not able to conceive, and they were both very old. ...

John's Job was to announce the Messiah when he saw the Messiah coming, his Job was to water Baptize Jesus as the High Priest.
Jesus was not a Levite, and so being not a Levite, he would not be accepted in the Priesthood by the Levitical Priesthood, So, John a Levite Priest the Son of Zechariah knew what the Levites did behind the scenes of the people, being a Levite Priest himself. That is why, when they showed up and asked him about what he was doing and is he the Messiah? He told them no. One coming after him that he will announce as the Messiah when he shows up, he will know and tell all so. However, The water Baptism is over, ever since he Water Baptized, The Messiah then announced who Jesus is, after water Baptism. Now, John had done all needed to do as born to do. Then Jesus fulfilled all law and Prophets that predicted is life to be here and do Law perfect, for us the people once for us all. That is now done, John 19:30, John 1:29.
New life is in the risen Son, not the dead one. The Willing dead one first, was and is for reconciliation to all as forgiven to all from God Father for us all. ( 2Cor 5:16-20) to now, turn to Father and ask for the new life in his risen Son for us to be new and love all, no more accusing or excusing, now, being accountable to God and no more independence on self or anyone else
1 John 2:27, read it from verse 1 please we are forgiven by God for us in Son as risen to us to teach each person new in love and mercy given them first, then one will love all in truth, 1 John 4:19
Thank you
Now, yes go ahead and be water Baptized, be willing for that to happen to you too, yet do it as a good conscience between Farther and you, God does just love us all y'all. 1 Peter 3
Now, Jesus was to fulfill all law of Moses, and get water Baptized by John to fulfill all Law as in Matthew 5:17 states he came here to earth to do first. Then did it and said has done it in John 19:30, and 2 Cor 5:17-20.
Psalm 103:12 is today filled in the Messiah, Jesus, Emmanuelle. God now ready to give you and anyone else in belief too, a new Heart as described in Ezekiel 36:26. No more have to do to get, this is a gift from God Father and Son as Won for you and all others too, thank you love all is the call, even those that have done you wrong, wow! what a call. How can I, you or anyone else love those that have done you, me and others wrong? By this amazing grace given to all through Son's done work on that cross for us all first. How it is now seen and done for me too, God reveals it, not anyone else. We that are born new by God, only share in care to all, thank you, at least me I can only love all as Jesus said in Matthew about if another does wrong to you, love that one still. In the old, first testament, it was said an eye for an eye
No more, today, Romans 2:1-4, as soon as Is think accuse or stand against anyone I remember what God has said to me in Romans 2:1-4

Those who wish to have the NT rebirth become a reality must believe and obey God's word.
See: Acts 2:4-41, 8:12-18, 9:17-18, 10:43-48, 19:1-7, 22:16.

 

[homwardbound]

Those who wish to have the NT rebirth become a reality must believe and obey God's word.
See: Acts 2:4-41, 8:12-18, 9:17-18, 10:43-48, 19:1-7, 22:16.

To have to do, makes the free choice to choose not a choice. Then freedom is lost inside the new birth as a gift
Freedom without God's lead in one, anyone is anarchy
Freedom taken away after belief is tyranny
I am free to choose, I chose God over everything else, between God Fasther, risen Son and me. Thank you, hoping for all to make their free choice given them as well
Ask, receive and see and be new in love and mercy to all, thank you, I see many are new and many on their way. I am still learning g and am not perfect, only my Father is good

 

[Wansvic]

So, sorry, I agree with water baptism as a good conscience towards God. Not to be one rewarded by people in any Church building or in society either

God did on the cross willingly, not by having to, by choosing to, it was for us all the people to get reconciled first as if never sinned to begin with (Col 1:21-23), That got done on that cross in Son's shed blood for us all, done once Hebrews 10:10, to be given the message of reconciliation as stated in (2 Cor 5:16-20) from the disciples to us all. and see new from Father when he, Jesus said it is finished, John 19:30 he meant it and is now done for us to be new in his resurrected life now in the present given for ever in love and mercy to all,, even those that do not believe.
If, I do not love people, all that I see, even those that have done me wrong, how can one anyone, even if water Baptized say they love God?

I think you are missing something very important. It was after Jesus resurrected that He said remission of sin was going to be preached in His name. (Luke 24:47) And it was at Pentecost that the NT water baptism was begun. All those who believe in Jesus' sacrifice are to be water baptized in His name. (Acts 2:38) The Apostle Paul revealed those who obey the command are buried with Jesus into His death wherein sin is remitted. The apostle even clarifies that IF a person is baptized in the likeness of Jesus death, they WILL BE in the likeness of His resurrection. (Rom. 6:3-6) One final note: Paul was told to be baptized to wash away his sins calling on the name of the Lord. (Acts 22:16) And He was still water baptizing people in the name of Jesus over 20 years after the command was first given. (Acts 19:1-7)

Don't be fooled. Water baptism is for remission of sin. Jesus' sacrifice made it possible for all those who will believe and obey God's command.

Acts 2:38
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.


Even after being filled with the Holy Ghost, the Gentiles who believed in Jesus had to be water baptized in His name. Why? Because God established water baptism for remission of sin.
Acts 10:43
To him (Jesus) give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.

Acts 10:47-48
Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.

 

[homwardbound]

I think you are missing something very important. It was after Jesus resurrected that He said remission of sin was going to be preached in His name. (Luke 24:47) And it was at Pentecost that the NT water baptism was begun. All those who believe in Jesus' sacrifice are to be water baptized in His name. (Acts 2:38) The Apostle Paul revealed those who obey the command are buried with Jesus into His death wherein sin is remitted. The apostle even clarifies that IF a person is baptized in the likeness of Jesus death, they WILL BE in the likeness of His resurrection. (Rom. 6:3-6) One final note: Paul was told to be baptized to wash away his sins calling on the name of the Lord. (Acts 22:16) And He was still water baptizing people in the name of Jesus over 20 years after the command was first given. (Acts 19:1-7)

Don't be fooled. Water baptism is for remission of sin. Jesus' sacrifice made it possible for all those who will believe and obey God's command.

Acts 2:38
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.


Even after being filled with the Holy Ghost, the Gentiles who believed in Jesus had to be water baptized in His name. Why? Because God established water baptism for remission of sin.
Acts 10:43
To him (Jesus) give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.

Acts 10:47-48
Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.

You, are not hearing me. I am water Baptized in Father and Son. As the symbol of being Spirit Baptized in / with Father and Son. That is done for me by them, doing it. Son as the reconciliation, for all sin as in 2 Cor 5:16-20. Many, know Jesus in Spirit and Truth given to us by Father from the willing choice each person takes to Father, we, at least me am not under Law anymore. Romans7 explains what being under Law does to people. Only Father reveals the truth in that and continues to love us all, even though we trying to do what no one else can do, that is proven in the Old (First) Testament to me.
Thanking God, for the for purge of my conscience of sin as in Hebrews 10. Wow, and in Hebrews 8, I will not remember your sin anymore, that kid from God to us all to see new in love and mercy given us all from God through Son.
Yet people have to do to get, (that be this world's teachings) when from Daddy, PaPa, Father, this new life is a gift. To take a gift and make work out of it is a lie from Evil, getting people to be do-gooders and others look at them and say wow, I want to be like you, is not from God the Father of the risen Son for us all to see and be new in trust to God in risen Son. Eph 2, reveals the new, which you do not see yet, and bless you anyway, you in with God, on your way. God, loving us all still, God having nothing can separate anyone from this love of God to us all, Romans 8, No thank you, I do not care to be like anyone else. I am not perfect, only by God's done work of Son, am I made perfect from God in God's sight. That is what amazing grace is and for us all to see this each personally, between God and them. Those that do not quit belief will eventually see and stop demanding new Laws onto people, and will do laws by upholding Law as good to work truth through them and in Romans 3:31
God alone and to myself or anyone else, love from Father to all in risen Son, where the new life is at Upholding Law as good and doing truth in the Law that is perfect, loving all
Not a few

 

[Ouch]

You, are not hearing me. I am water Baptized in Father and Son. As the symbol of being Spirit Baptized in / with Father and Son. That is done for me by them, doing it. Son as the reconciliation, for all sin as in 2 Cor 5:16-20. Many, know Jesus in Spirit and Truth given to us by Father from the willing choice each person takes to Father, we, at least me am not under Law anymore. Romans7 explains what being under Law does to people. Only Father reveals the truth in that and continues to love us all, even though we trying to do what no one else can do, that is proven in the Old (First) Testament to me.
Thanking God, for the for purge of my conscience of sin as in Hebrews 10. Wow, and in Hebrews 8, I will not remember your sin anymore, that kid from God to us all to see new in love and mercy given us all from God through Son.
Yet people have to do to get, (that be this world's teachings) when from Daddy, PaPa, Father, this new life is a gift. To take a gift and make work out of it is a lie from Evil, getting people to be do-gooders and others look at them and say wow, I want to be like you, is not from God the Father of the risen Son for us all to see and be new in trust to God in risen Son. Eph 2, reveals the new, which you do not see yet, and bless you anyway, you in with God, on your way. God, loving us all still, God having nothing can separate anyone from this love of God to us all, Romans 8, No thank you, I do not care to be like anyone else. I am not perfect, only by God's done work of Son, am I made perfect from God in God's sight. That is what amazing grace is and for us all to see this each personally, between God and them. Those that do not quit belief will eventually see and stop demanding new Laws onto people, and will do laws by upholding Law as good to work truth through them and in Romans 3:31
God alone and to myself or anyone else, love from Father to all in risen Son, where the new life is at Upholding Law as good and doing truth in the Law that is perfect, loving all
Not a few

Please don't be offended, I don't understand all you are saying. May be me?

Just to keep it simple, have you been baptized in JESUS name to get rid of your sins?

Looks like you got baptized in HIS titles which is not bible.

Or are you saying you don't need to be baptized?

Being baptized for sins is one thing, receiving the Holy Ghost is a total different thing.

We are responsible for being baptized, JESUS is responsible to fill us with his spirit.

 

[Blain]

Please don't be offended, I don't understand all you are saying. May be me?

Just to keep it simple, have you been baptized in JESUS name to get rid of your sins?

Looks like you got baptized in HIS titles which is not bible.

Or are you saying you don't need to be baptized?

Being baptized for sins is one thing, receiving the Holy Ghost is a total different thing.

We are responsible for being baptized, JESUS is responsible to fill us with his spirit.

Yes Jesus said you must be born of both water and spirit and there is aa difference between the two

 

[homwardbound]

Please don't be offended, I don't understand all you are saying. May be me?

Just to keep it simple, have you been baptized in JESUS name to get rid of your sins?

Looks like you got baptized in HIS titles which is not bible.

Or are you saying you don't need to be baptized?

Being baptized for sins is one thing, receiving the Holy Ghost is a total different thing.

We are responsible for being baptized, JESUS is responsible to fill us with his spirit.

I believe God in risen Son, the two as Won (One) done once for me and all the world to respond to in Thanksgiving and praise to God Psalm 100:4, 103:12, all sin taken out of the way by Son on that cross in his one time willing death once for us all Hebrews 10:10, John 1:29. John 19:30.
Not arguing with you or water Baptism, to me it is one's anyone's good conscience to God seen in 1 Peter 3. It is between you and God to be Spiritually Baptized by God, symbolically using water Baptism in public as the announcement you believe God is risen from the dead. I already said this in prior post, that maybe you need to read again the entire post not parts, please
It seems you misunderstand the mystery, having to get water baptized to get forgiven, when there is no forgiveness without shed blood. Jesus did it, it is done we all are reconciled,m forgiven by God through Son, Time to respond thank you to God
I believe and all others that believe God are in with God, sealed by God to see the whole truth Eph 1:13, in verses 6-7 It is not me that sees, it is God that sees, knows and puts up with us all, still sinning after believing his love and mercy given us. Not to take for granted and be independent above God as Satan was before defeated by God in the resurrected Son for us to be won with Father and Son as One and be no more independent on self
Phil 3:1-4

 

[homwardbound]

Please don't be offended, I don't understand all you are saying. May be me?

Just to keep it simple, have you been baptized in JESUS name to get rid of your sins?

Looks like you got baptized in HIS titles which is not bible.

Or are you saying you don't need to be baptized?

Being baptized for sins is one thing, receiving the Holy Ghost is a total different thing.

We are responsible for being baptized, JESUS is responsible to fill us with his spirit.

Turns, to God I need truth Father only, and you Father are the one and only one good, with Son as risen for us all, thank you. I will shall stand in trust to learn new from you, through my misunderstandings in your mystery
I see to be dependent on you not independent of you, thank you

 

[Ouch]

I believe God in risen Son, the two as Won (One) done once for me and all the world to respond to in Thanksgiving and praise to God Psalm 100:4, 103:12, all sin taken out of the way by Son on that cross in his one time willing death once for us all Hebrews 10:10, John 1:29. John 19:30.
Not arguing with you or water Baptism, to me it is one's anyone's good conscience to God seen in 1 Peter 3. It is between you and God to be Spiritually Baptized by God, symbolically using water Baptism in public as the announcement you believe God is risen from the dead. I already said this in prior post, that maybe you need to read again the entire post not parts, please
It seems you misunderstand the mystery, having to get water baptized to get forgiven, when there is no forgiveness without shed blood. Jesus did it, it is done we all are reconciled,m forgiven by God through Son, Time to respond thank you to God
I believe and all others that believe God are in with God, sealed by God to see the whole truth Eph 1:13, in verses 6-7 It is not me that sees, it is God that sees, knows and puts up with us all, still sinning after believing his love and mercy given us. Not to take for granted and be independent above God as Satan was before defeated by God in the resurrected Son for us to be won with Father and Son as One and be no more independent on self
Phil 3:1-4

Can you tell me what these versers mean and are saying PLEASE.

Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Acts 22:16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

 

[homwardbound]

Can you tell me what these versers mean and are saying PLEASE.

Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Acts 22:16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

Peter, was still pissed off and in being angry said that to those people, you caused this tha tI do not agree with Jesus being killed by you the people, so Repent and be sorry and get water Baptized as proof you regret this happening Son being killed by you all

Tp receive the sins forgiven. Later in his epistle , he saw differently in his growth of risen Son for him and all the world and said To get water Baptized is not for the removal of Sin. Id for a good conscience of God, doing this last sacrifice for you to do new in mercy and love to all

1 Peter 3:21
The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ
This leaves motive to everyone! Why are you getting or got Water Baptized?
To, be a member of a church? To be liked and accepted by others there at that Church? Maybe to get accepted by your immediate family?

It could be, done willingly, as the Gentiles did after being saved by God first? We all get to decide truth over error. Which God knows in each and every person Romans 8:15-16
Accept this is done for you by Son to everyone to reconcile us all first, before any new life could ever get given anyone
Acts 1 reports this from the risen Jesus, who said to them, he had to go through death willingly first to save everyone. Only those that turn to believe and see to be dependent on God and no one else. This makes it Jesus the risen and nothing else for new life as born again is imputed in us too everyone, not a few anymore 1 Cor 13:4-7 no one can do until God Father imputes in each person personally first.
Yet many act as if got as in 1 Cor 13:4-7 and the born new by God will know as Father teaches each Matthew 10:16-20 Wow, woe is me, now you too Isaiah 6:1-7

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Our sins died with Christ on the cross they are no more past and future sins are wiped clean in the book of life forever and ever

This is the power of the blood that was shed for our sake, we obey him not to remain in him but for him out of love and gratitude

Consider this parable of the kingdom spoken by the king

“Then Peter came to Jesus and asked, “Lord, how many times shall I forgive my brother or sister who sins against me? Up to seven times?” Jesus answered, “I tell you, not seven times, but seventy-seven times.

Therefore, the kingdom of heaven is like

a king who wanted to settle accounts with his servants. ( see Roman’s chapter 2:3-11)

As he began the settlement, a man who owed him ten thousand bags of gold was brought to him. Since he was not able to pay, the master ordered that he and his wife and his children and all that he had be sold to repay the debt.

“At this the servant fell on his knees before him. ‘Be patient with me,’ he begged, ‘and I will pay back everything.’ The servant’s master took pity on him, canceled the debt and let him go. ( this man’s wife noatable debt to the king has been forgiven and canceled because of the kings mercy towards him and compassion )


“But ( there’s a but) when that servant went out, he found one of his fellow servants who owed him a hundred silver coins. ( this man owes just a little bit to him ) He grabbed him and began to choke him. ‘Pay back what you owe me!’ he demanded. “His fellow servant fell to his knees and begged him, ‘Be patient with me, and I will pay it back.’ “But he refused. Instead, he went off and had the man thrown into prison until he could pay the debt. ( this man has no compassion or mercy on his fellow as the gracious king had on him )

When the other servants saw what had happened, they were outraged and went and told their master everything that had happened. “Then the master called the servant in. ‘You wicked servant,’ he said, ‘I canceled all that debt of yours because you begged me to. Shouldn’t you have had mercy on your fellow servant just as I had on you?’ ( the man is recalled in front of the king but now it’s about what he’s done since that was canceled how he treated his fellow with no mercy or forgivness even after it was given to him in much greater measure )

In anger his master handed him over to the jailers to be tortured, until he should pay back all he owed. ( now his debt is reinstated and he’s being treated like the man he treated that owed him )

“This is how my heavenly Father will treat each of you unless you forgive your brother or sister from your heart.””
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭18:21-35‬ ‭NIV‬‬

and finally the king makes his point with mercy as the punctuation . You see we all have to do this as human beings created by God without exception we have to do this still

“For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each of us may receive what is due us for the things done while in the body, whether good or bad.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ 5:10

and so the answer for us imperfect people that only have hope because the king gave us mercy for our sins is found in his doctrine

“Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful. Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven: give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭6:36-38‬ ‭KJV‬‬

And so as Paul is teaching here because we have to face judgement we need to obey Jesus word and stop judging other sinners as if we are without sin ourselves and that is how we show contempt in Christ rejecting his mercy towards all even those who sin against us or hurt our feelings or whatever grievance we find against them so we have the more revealed teaching in his doctrine the apostle I mean

jesus doctrine

“Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭7:1-2‬ ‭

his messengers doctrine , further revealed by the Holy Ghost

“Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things. And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God? Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance? ( He’s talking to those who are judging others in the body while they also are imperfect sayong they need to repent )

But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God; Who will render to every man according to his deeds: to them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:

but unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭2:1, 3-9‬ ‭KJV‬‬

because the king is going to judge us all by our deeds our hope is in his mercy which Jesus teaches us in the gospel mutual forgiveness mutual grace

from him then to our s then to others in his name

If only that poor man in the parable would have listened to Jesus doctrine he may have heard and known this part when he was to answer the king the second time

“For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:

but if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭6:14-15‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The word and the blood make the covenant

 

[homwardbound]

Wow, thank you Father for your servant in truth
Pilgrims hope being now your vessel thank you Pilgrims hope for being willing and choosing God's love over all the rest of working men/women includes self
I got a lot out of that post, God leads, not me. I see depending on God over everyone and anything else, thank you

 

[Blain]

Consider this parable of the kingdom spoken by the king

“Then Peter came to Jesus and asked, “Lord, how many times shall I forgive my brother or sister who sins against me? Up to seven times?” Jesus answered, “I tell you, not seven times, but seventy-seven times.

Therefore, the kingdom of heaven is like

a king who wanted to settle accounts with his servants. ( see Roman’s chapter 2:3-11)

As he began the settlement, a man who owed him ten thousand bags of gold was brought to him. Since he was not able to pay, the master ordered that he and his wife and his children and all that he had be sold to repay the debt.

“At this the servant fell on his knees before him. ‘Be patient with me,’ he begged, ‘and I will pay back everything.’ The servant’s master took pity on him, canceled the debt and let him go. ( this man’s wife noatable debt to the king has been forgiven and canceled because of the kings mercy towards him and compassion )


“But ( there’s a but) when that servant went out, he found one of his fellow servants who owed him a hundred silver coins. ( this man owes just a little bit to him ) He grabbed him and began to choke him. ‘Pay back what you owe me!’ he demanded. “His fellow servant fell to his knees and begged him, ‘Be patient with me, and I will pay it back.’ “But he refused. Instead, he went off and had the man thrown into prison until he could pay the debt. ( this man has no compassion or mercy on his fellow as the gracious king had on him )

When the other servants saw what had happened, they were outraged and went and told their master everything that had happened. “Then the master called the servant in. ‘You wicked servant,’ he said, ‘I canceled all that debt of yours because you begged me to. Shouldn’t you have had mercy on your fellow servant just as I had on you?’ ( the man is recalled in front of the king but now it’s about what he’s done since that was canceled how he treated his fellow with no mercy or forgivness even after it was given to him in much greater measure )

In anger his master handed him over to the jailers to be tortured, until he should pay back all he owed. ( now his debt is reinstated and he’s being treated like the man he treated that owed him )

“This is how my heavenly Father will treat each of you unless you forgive your brother or sister from your heart.””
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭18:21-35‬ ‭NIV‬‬

and finally the king makes his point with mercy as the punctuation . You see we all have to do this as human beings created by God without exception we have to do this still

“For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each of us may receive what is due us for the things done while in the body, whether good or bad.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ 5:10

and so the answer for us imperfect people that only have hope because the king gave us mercy for our sins is found in his doctrine

“Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful. Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven: give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭6:36-38‬ ‭KJV‬‬

And so as Paul is teaching here because we have to face judgement we need to obey Jesus word and stop judging other sinners as if we are without sin ourselves and that is how we show contempt in Christ rejecting his mercy towards all even those who sin against us or hurt our feelings or whatever grievance we find against them so we have the more revealed teaching in his doctrine the apostle I mean

jesus doctrine

“Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭7:1-2‬ ‭

his messengers doctrine , further revealed by the Holy Ghost

“Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things. And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God? Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance? ( He’s talking to those who are judging others in the body while they also are imperfect sayong they need to repent )

But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God; Who will render to every man according to his deeds: to them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:

but unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭2:1, 3-9‬ ‭KJV‬‬

because the king is going to judge us all by our deeds our hope is in his mercy which Jesus teaches us in the gospel mutual forgiveness mutual grace

from him then to our s then to others in his name

If only that poor man in the parable would have listened to Jesus doctrine he may have heard and known this part when he was to answer the king the second time

“For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:

but if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭6:14-15‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The word and the blood make the covenant

Well said my friend, forgiveness has always come easy to me even though I have every reason not to forgive many in my life who hurt me stole from me abused me abandoned me ect.
for some forgiveness does not come easily and this is why we need his love to fill us to the brim because only in his love will his mercy and charity spring forth in us.
There is a common theme even amongst Christians and that is most christians are not true Christians we are seen as hyposcrytes lairs even theives his love is not common and that love is supernatural it is rich and deep endless and fills us with life but it is this love that makes us so willing to forgive without it we cannot in our hearts let go of debts or pain that others have caused us.

Seek love above all else and everything else will be given to you, that was the first thing he told me when I became saved and I stand by that adivce to all believers regardless of maturity or scriptural knowledge they may have.

I say this to every new believer I come across to seek his love hunger for it thirst for it desire and covet it because it is the key to everything

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Wow, thank you Father for your servant in truth
Pilgrims hope being now your vessel thank you Pilgrims hope for being willing and choosing God's love over all the rest of working men/women includes self
I got a lot out of that post, God leads, not me. I see depending on God over everyone and anything else, thank you

I’m just an old fool on the internet brother sort of proof there’s hope for us all lol but what happens is I try to share Scripture a lot , some don’t like that but others respect and will look into scripture out of faith in God . So it sometimes might appear that I have some sort of wisdom or something in nice in a blue moon but actually it’s just that I like to try to talk about what the Bible says and that’s full completely of his wisdom and accessible for all.

i think you probably just recognize the scriptures in that post thanks to the lord you are one who when faced with scripture you will adapt your thinking to what it says when it’s time. So I respect and appreciate that quality in you and many others here. It’s a fruitful opportunity.

and yes brother I think it’s important for us to seperate moses words in the Old Testament , from Jesus words who is the mediator of the New Testament word the reason is

and is about our imperfections and sins and our demise but the other acknowledges that we’re sinners from the start and came for us to save us sinners from our sins and the punishment due


The gospel is really just Jesus teaching us how to treat each other right in gods eyes . Forgive , don’t give lot against others and let grudges corrupt your heart don’t look down on people don’t think too highly of yourself gove when you have opportunity share generously especially with those in need as we are able I mean not as a to do list or your out bit as we’re able with our means we need to step out of the boat in faith like Peter did trusting Jesus word on the matter

gove and it shall be given to you in greater measure don’t judge be merciful and you’ll receive mercy ect these are just qualities of zgods beloved children in Christ and so we need to let his mind become how we think and live as best we can

then when we face judgement that day knowing we aren’t nearly perfect by our deeds we have the testimony of Jesus Christ with us saying forgive and you will be forgiven don’t condemn and you won’t be condemned don’t judge and you won’t be judged ect so as James puts it we really need to learn to be merciful and follow the word of truth because mercy we will need desperately in judgement day of Jesus said it it’s true so we can trust his mediation of mercy at judgement

“For he shall have judgment without mercy, that hath shewed no mercy; and mercy rejoiceth against judgment.”
‭‭James‬ ‭2:13‬ ‭

had the man in that parable heard about the required mercy he needed to extend to others he would have never been cast into the prison even though he never paid his debt if only he had heard and heeded the word to forgive and be forgiven to be merciful and receive mercy much more abundantly

mercy is a great message from the gospel

 

[Ouch]

Peter, was still pissed off and in being angry said that to those people, you caused this tha tI do not agree with Jesus being killed by you the people, so Repent and be sorry and get water Baptized as proof you regret this happening Son being killed by you all

Tp receive the sins forgiven. Later in his epistle , he saw differently in his growth of risen Son for him and all the world and said To get water Baptized is not for the removal of Sin. Id for a good conscience of God, doing this last sacrifice for you to do new in mercy and love to all

1 Peter 3:21
The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ
This leaves motive to everyone! Why are you getting or got Water Baptized?
To, be a member of a church? To be liked and accepted by others there at that Church? Maybe to get accepted by your immediate family?

It could be, done willingly, as the Gentiles did after being saved by God first? We all get to decide truth over error. Which God knows in each and every person Romans 8:15-16
Accept this is done for you by Son to everyone to reconcile us all first, before any new life could ever get given anyone
Acts 1 reports this from the risen Jesus, who said to them, he had to go through death willingly first to save everyone. Only those that turn to believe and see to be dependent on God and no one else. This makes it Jesus the risen and nothing else for new life as born again is imputed in us too everyone, not a few anymore 1 Cor 13:4-7 no one can do until God Father imputes in each person personally first.
Yet many act as if got as in 1 Cor 13:4-7 and the born new by God will know as Father teaches each Matthew 10:16-20 Wow, woe is me, now you too Isaiah 6:1-7

All of that and I asked was what do those verse mean and say?

So it's clear you don't like HIS word and then you say things that are not true at all.

You do know your saying that JESUS is not telling the truth right???

Since Peter KNOWS what has to happen to be REBORN in Acts 10 after JESUS FILLED them with the Holy Ghost JUST LIKE JESUS FILLED Peter and the rest of HIS disciple in Acts 2:3-4 HE COMMANDED THEM TO BE BAPTIZED.

He didn't say do it for show, SO TELL ME WHEN THEY WERE SAVED AND BACK IT UP WITH SCIPTURE.

Just like in Acts 2:38-39, Acts 10 they repented, received the Holy Ghost and was baptized in JESUS name.

AFTER Peter gave the message and Cornelius family and friends were reborn, Peter had to face his fellow Jews and said this.

Acts 11:13
13 And he shewed us how he had seen an angel in his house, which stood and said unto him, Send men to Joppa, and call for Simon, whose surname is Peter;
14 Who shall tell thee words, whereby thou and all thy house shall be saved.

GOD sent him to save them and he did what he was suppose to do, I think (not bible, my thoughts) since Peter had no idea what he was doing except for obeying he didn't know JESUS was going to fill them and did to show Peter they were accepted or Peter may never had baptized them!!

Acts 11:
15 And as I began to speak, the Holy Ghost fell on them, as on us at the beginning.
16 Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost.
17 Forasmuch then as God gave them the like gift as he did unto us, who believed on the Lord Jesus Christ; what was I, that I could withstand God?

HOW CAN PETER WITHSTAND GOD???

So more info, Matthew, Mark, Luke and John JESUS was with us.
The book of Acts the building of the church THE FOUNDATION.
ALL books after that was letters those who have been reborn and are off the milk and on the meat.

Since you will not answer Acts 2:38, 22:16 tell me

1. ARE we still born in sin?
2. Will sin enter Heaven?
3. If not how do we get rid of it?

NOT ASKING YOU WHAT JESUS DID BY SHEDING HIS BLOOD FOR ALL, I'm asking you WHAT WE HAVE TO DO?

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Well said my friend, forgiveness has always come easy to me even though I have every reason not to forgive many in my life who hurt me stole from me abused me abandoned me ect.
for some forgiveness does not come easily and this is why we need his love to fill us to the brim because only in his love will his mercy and charity spring forth in us.
There is a common theme even amongst Christians and that is most christians are not true Christians we are seen as hyposcrytes lairs even theives his love is not common and that love is supernatural it is rich and deep endless and fills us with life but it is this love that makes us so willing to forgive without it we cannot in our hearts let go of debts or pain that others have caused us.

Seek love above all else and everything else will be given to you, that was the first thing he told me when I became saved and I stand by that adivce to all believers regardless of maturity or scriptural knowledge they may have.

I say this to every new believer I come across to seek his love hunger for it thirst for it desire and covet it because it is the key to everything

yes seeking the kingdom of God which Jesus and his apostles preached and the righteousness we find in his doctrine and teachings is where faith comes from even just listening to the kingdom being preached teaches us about God , our own selves and our purpose in his plan for creation , our true identity is revealed in the gospel of the kingdom was his children who believe in Jesus the son . Truly the gospel is the power of God to save anyone who believes though all have sinned and fallen short

“For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.”
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“So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭10:17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

….But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.”
‭‭1 Peter‬ ‭1:23, 25‬ ‭KJV‬‬


Seeking the kingdom and his righteousness really is about listening and learning from Jesus then of course we learn tbat we need to act upon it from his words as well so we are brought from rebellion to obedience by faith from glory to glory changes into his image

“But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭3:18‬ ‭KJV‬‬

a process of faith