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Sorry just have to ask, what do you think JESUS said and ment with this verse?
John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
And Peter or may have been JESUS thought the Holy Ghost which almost says the same thing.
Acts 2:38-39
King James Version
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
And Peter or may have been JESUS thought the Holy Ghost which almost says the same thing.
Acts 2:38-39
King James Version
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
Rofl. Whole book??!! You've managed to share about the same four verses repeatedly, ignoring every other verse that has been shown you. You want to try remembering He will be judging you by His whole book as well. I've explained those verses from Acts you keep repeating. Nowhere in those verses is any water, that is your assumption. The fact that Peter kept baptizing in water is because he had forgotten what the Lord had told him about baptism. He kept following the same method he was used to under the Old Covenant (Jn.4:1-2). He didn't remember until after the incident with Cornelius that now it was to be done with the Holy Spirit. We are now in a New Covenant.
You should be sorry seeing as I have answered this many, many times already.
What does the next verse say?
John 3:6
That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
Jesus is talking about physical birth and spiritual birth. Water (physical), Spirit (spiritual).
Acts 2:38 does not almost say the same thing as birth and baptism are not the same thing. Baptism means to be submerged or immersed. We are not submerged when we are born, if anything we emerge.
Water cannot and never will be strong enough. A supernatural event requires a supernatural means. No-one can be baptized into Christ, the name of the Lord Jesus by any means other than the Holy Spirit.
Matthew 3:11
I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance, but He who is coming after me is mightier than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.
The irony in all of this is, because we are baptized by means of the Spirit into Christ, it guarantees our salvation as no-one is strong enough to break His promise or seal.
You should be sorry seeing as I have answered this many, many times already.
What does the next verse say?
John 3:6
That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
Jesus is talking about physical birth and spiritual birth. Water (physical), Spirit (spiritual).
Acts 2:38 does not almost say the same thing as birth and baptism are not the same thing. Baptism means to be submerged or immersed. We are not submerged when we are born, if anything we emerge.
Water cannot and never will be strong enough. A supernatural event requires a supernatural means. No-one can be baptized into Christ, the name of the Lord Jesus by any means other than the Holy Spirit.
Matthew 3:11
I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance, but He who is coming after me is mightier than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.
The irony in all of this is, because we are baptized by means of the Spirit into Christ, it guarantees our salvation as no-one is strong enough to break His promise or seal.
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Rofl. Whole book??!! You've managed to share about the same four verses repeatedly, ignoring every other verse that has been shown you. You want to try remembering He will be judging you by His whole book as well. I've explained those verses from Acts you keep repeating. Nowhere in those verses is any water, that is your assumption. The fact that Peter kept baptizing in water is because he had forgotten what the Lord had told him about baptism. He kept following the same method he was used to under the Old Covenant (Jn.4:1-2). He didn't remember until after the incident with Cornelius that now it was to be done with the Holy Spirit. We are now in a New Covenant.
You should be sorry seeing as I have answered this many, many times already.
What does the next verse say?
John 3:6
That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
Jesus is talking about physical birth and spiritual birth. Water (physical), Spirit (spiritual).
Acts 2:38 does not almost say the same thing as birth and baptism are not the same thing. Baptism means to be submerged or immersed. We are not submerged when we are born, if anything we emerge.
Water cannot and never will be strong enough. A supernatural event requires a supernatural means. No-one can be baptized into Christ, the name of the Lord Jesus by any means other than the Holy Spirit.
Matthew 3:11
I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance, but He who is coming after me is mightier than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.
The irony in all of this is, because we are baptized by means of the Spirit into Christ, it guarantees our salvation as no-one is strong enough to break His promise or seal.
You should be sorry seeing as I have answered this many, many times already.
What does the next verse say?
John 3:6
That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
Jesus is talking about physical birth and spiritual birth. Water (physical), Spirit (spiritual).
Acts 2:38 does not almost say the same thing as birth and baptism are not the same thing. Baptism means to be submerged or immersed. We are not submerged when we are born, if anything we emerge.
Water cannot and never will be strong enough. A supernatural event requires a supernatural means. No-one can be baptized into Christ, the name of the Lord Jesus by any means other than the Holy Spirit.
Matthew 3:11
I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance, but He who is coming after me is mightier than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.
The irony in all of this is, because we are baptized by means of the Spirit into Christ, it guarantees our salvation as no-one is strong enough to break His promise or seal.
Some people do not believe a person can fall once they are saved.
But the Bible says they can.
They misinterpret the Bible concerning salvation.
Which they do not have love guiding them therefore making their salvation void.
1Co 13:13 And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity.
Gal 5:6 For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.
Charity, love in action, is greater than faith, and faith works by love.
If a person does not have love then their faith is void.
And this happens among millions of people claiming Christ that have a lifestyle not rooted in love but believe they are saved because they say they only need faith.
Gal 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
Gal 5:18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
Gal 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Gal 5:23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
Gal 5:24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
Gal 5:25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
1Co 13:6 Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth.
Love does not sin and does not think an evil thought for a Spirit led person will not sin.
So they are not under the law for the law cannot touch them for prosecution.
Every time we sin we forfeit repentance, and faith, until we get rid of the sin not wanting it.
Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
Heb 10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
If a person holds on to sin then the blood of Christ cannot wash it away.
1Co 13:2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.
1Ti 6:5 Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.
1Ti 6:6 But godliness with contentment is great gain.
1Ti 6:7 For we brought nothing into this world, and it is certain we can carry nothing out.
1Ti 6:8 And having food and raiment let us be therewith content.
1Ti 6:9 But they that will be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and into many foolish and hurtful lusts, which drown men in destruction and perdition.
1Ti 6:10 For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.
Jas 2:14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?
Jas 2:15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,
Jas 2:16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?
Jas 2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
Jas 2:24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
1Jn 3:17 But whoso hath this world's good, and seeth his brother have need, and shutteth up his bowels of compassion from him, how dwelleth the love of God in him?
1Jn 3:18 My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth.
Without charity they are nothing, erred from the faith, their faith is dead, and the love of God is not in them.
Do not love in word, neither in tongue, but in deed, works, and in truth, for a person is justified by works and not faith alone.
Love can only be valid if done in works.
Paul and James agree with each other that a person is not saved by faith alone.
They misinterpret Paul.
We are not saved by works, but by faith when we first come to Christ for that is all we can do.
But when we receive the Spirit we have to have works of love or our faith is void.
Which is what Paul said when he said he could have all faith that he could all faith so he could remove mountains but if he did not have charity he is nothing.
1Co 9:26 I therefore so run, not as uncertainly; so fight I, not as one that beateth the air:
1Co 9:27 But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.
adokimos
ad-ok'-ee-mos
From G1 (as a negative particle) and G1384; unapproved, that is, rejected; by implication worthless (literally or morally): - castaway, rejected, reprobate.
Paul said if he did not abstain from sin he would be a castaway.
The love of money is the root of all evil for it neglects the poor and the needy, and love is the fulfilling of the law.
Rev 3:14 And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;
Rev 3:15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.
Rev 3:16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.
Rev 3:17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked.
This is where a lot of people lack in love believing God is blessing them with money, and material things but he only supplies us with our needs.
Rom 11:20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
Rom 11:21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
Rom 11:22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
If a person has repented correctly and understands they have to do good to stay saved does not continue in that goodness will be cut off like the Hebrews that did not abide by the Old Covenant were cut off.
2Ti 3:4 lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
2Ti 3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
2Ti 3:7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
2Ti 2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.
Some people do not allow the Spirit to lead them and enjoy sin believing they are right with God which they are ever learning but never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
These people were not saved to begin with which is why Jesus said I never knew you.
Some Churches have faulty teachings that are not preaching true salvation because of their lack of holiness believing they are alright.
Continued in next post
But the Bible says they can.
They misinterpret the Bible concerning salvation.
Which they do not have love guiding them therefore making their salvation void.
1Co 13:13 And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity.
Gal 5:6 For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.
Charity, love in action, is greater than faith, and faith works by love.
If a person does not have love then their faith is void.
And this happens among millions of people claiming Christ that have a lifestyle not rooted in love but believe they are saved because they say they only need faith.
Gal 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
Gal 5:18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
Gal 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Gal 5:23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
Gal 5:24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
Gal 5:25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
1Co 13:6 Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth.
Love does not sin and does not think an evil thought for a Spirit led person will not sin.
So they are not under the law for the law cannot touch them for prosecution.
Every time we sin we forfeit repentance, and faith, until we get rid of the sin not wanting it.
Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
Heb 10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
If a person holds on to sin then the blood of Christ cannot wash it away.
1Co 13:2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.
1Ti 6:5 Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.
1Ti 6:6 But godliness with contentment is great gain.
1Ti 6:7 For we brought nothing into this world, and it is certain we can carry nothing out.
1Ti 6:8 And having food and raiment let us be therewith content.
1Ti 6:9 But they that will be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and into many foolish and hurtful lusts, which drown men in destruction and perdition.
1Ti 6:10 For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.
Jas 2:14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?
Jas 2:15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,
Jas 2:16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?
Jas 2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
Jas 2:24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
1Jn 3:17 But whoso hath this world's good, and seeth his brother have need, and shutteth up his bowels of compassion from him, how dwelleth the love of God in him?
1Jn 3:18 My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth.
Without charity they are nothing, erred from the faith, their faith is dead, and the love of God is not in them.
Do not love in word, neither in tongue, but in deed, works, and in truth, for a person is justified by works and not faith alone.
Love can only be valid if done in works.
Paul and James agree with each other that a person is not saved by faith alone.
They misinterpret Paul.
We are not saved by works, but by faith when we first come to Christ for that is all we can do.
But when we receive the Spirit we have to have works of love or our faith is void.
Which is what Paul said when he said he could have all faith that he could all faith so he could remove mountains but if he did not have charity he is nothing.
1Co 9:26 I therefore so run, not as uncertainly; so fight I, not as one that beateth the air:
1Co 9:27 But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.
adokimos
ad-ok'-ee-mos
From G1 (as a negative particle) and G1384; unapproved, that is, rejected; by implication worthless (literally or morally): - castaway, rejected, reprobate.
Paul said if he did not abstain from sin he would be a castaway.
The love of money is the root of all evil for it neglects the poor and the needy, and love is the fulfilling of the law.
Rev 3:14 And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;
Rev 3:15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.
Rev 3:16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.
Rev 3:17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked.
This is where a lot of people lack in love believing God is blessing them with money, and material things but he only supplies us with our needs.
Rom 11:20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
Rom 11:21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
Rom 11:22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
If a person has repented correctly and understands they have to do good to stay saved does not continue in that goodness will be cut off like the Hebrews that did not abide by the Old Covenant were cut off.
2Ti 3:4 lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
2Ti 3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
2Ti 3:7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
2Ti 2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.
Some people do not allow the Spirit to lead them and enjoy sin believing they are right with God which they are ever learning but never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
These people were not saved to begin with which is why Jesus said I never knew you.
Some Churches have faulty teachings that are not preaching true salvation because of their lack of holiness believing they are alright.
Continued in next post
Continued from above post
1Co 10:12 Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.
Faith alone is dangerous for it causes people to lack love for they will enjoy sin and believe they are alright.
If we are led of the Spirit we might sin because we are in the flesh but we have to get rid of the sin not wanting it and be led of the Spirit again.
Some people hold on to sin believing they are alright.
Repenting of a sin when you do that act but holding on to it is not repenting for you are not turning away from that sin but only repenting when you do the act.
2Pe 2:20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
2Pe 2:21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.
2Pe 2:22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.
Luk 9:62 And Jesus said unto him, No man, having put his hand to the plough, and looking back, is fit for the kingdom of God.
These people were obviously saved but they went back to the worldly ways which it would have been better if they have not known the truth than to turn from it.
But this can be reversed if they repent and do not want sin anymore and allow the Spirit to lead them.
Heb 13:5 Let your conversation be without covetousness; and be content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee.
It does not matter if you live in sin for a year if you repent and do not want the sin anymore you can be forgiven.
A backslider can be restored if they cease their sinning not wanting sin anymore.
Heb 6:1 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,
Heb 6:2 Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.
Heb 6:3 And this will we do, if God permit.
Heb 6:4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
Heb 6:5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
Heb 6:6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
These people were obviously saved but they departed from the truth for an alternate reality whether another viewpoint of Jesus, another religion, or becoming an atheist.
They cannot be saved again after that for God will not allow them to go through the process of salvation again.
This has no reversal.
1Ti 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
1Ti 4:2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
1Ti 4:3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
1Ti 4:4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
1Ti 4:5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.
2Ti 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
2Ti 4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
This is an example the new age christianity that interprets the Bible according to the occult and evolution, and people are going to evolve to be spiritual, and greater, and Jesus became an ascended master among others, and there is no personal God, but they honor the God of forces the power of nature, and the New Age Christ is the next world teacher.
They do not look at Jesus as Lord and Saviour which some people will depart from the faith and believe their interpretation of the Bible which will mainly happen in the future when the new age becomes standard procedure in the world and people do not want to hear the Bible according to the truth but their own lusts.
This has no reversal.
But if they were part of the new age christianity and never claimed Jesus as Lord and Saviour they can be saved if they come to the truth.
The new age is why the world rebels against God causing Him to end sin on earth.
1Co 10:12 Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.
Faith alone is dangerous for it causes people to lack love for they will enjoy sin and believe they are alright.
If we are led of the Spirit we might sin because we are in the flesh but we have to get rid of the sin not wanting it and be led of the Spirit again.
Some people hold on to sin believing they are alright.
Repenting of a sin when you do that act but holding on to it is not repenting for you are not turning away from that sin but only repenting when you do the act.
2Pe 2:20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
2Pe 2:21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.
2Pe 2:22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.
Luk 9:62 And Jesus said unto him, No man, having put his hand to the plough, and looking back, is fit for the kingdom of God.
These people were obviously saved but they went back to the worldly ways which it would have been better if they have not known the truth than to turn from it.
But this can be reversed if they repent and do not want sin anymore and allow the Spirit to lead them.
Heb 13:5 Let your conversation be without covetousness; and be content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee.
It does not matter if you live in sin for a year if you repent and do not want the sin anymore you can be forgiven.
A backslider can be restored if they cease their sinning not wanting sin anymore.
Heb 6:1 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,
Heb 6:2 Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.
Heb 6:3 And this will we do, if God permit.
Heb 6:4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
Heb 6:5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
Heb 6:6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
These people were obviously saved but they departed from the truth for an alternate reality whether another viewpoint of Jesus, another religion, or becoming an atheist.
They cannot be saved again after that for God will not allow them to go through the process of salvation again.
This has no reversal.
1Ti 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
1Ti 4:2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
1Ti 4:3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
1Ti 4:4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
1Ti 4:5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.
2Ti 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
2Ti 4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
This is an example the new age christianity that interprets the Bible according to the occult and evolution, and people are going to evolve to be spiritual, and greater, and Jesus became an ascended master among others, and there is no personal God, but they honor the God of forces the power of nature, and the New Age Christ is the next world teacher.
They do not look at Jesus as Lord and Saviour which some people will depart from the faith and believe their interpretation of the Bible which will mainly happen in the future when the new age becomes standard procedure in the world and people do not want to hear the Bible according to the truth but their own lusts.
This has no reversal.
But if they were part of the new age christianity and never claimed Jesus as Lord and Saviour they can be saved if they come to the truth.
The new age is why the world rebels against God causing Him to end sin on earth.
All of those references were addressed toward Israel. The only people who subscribe to those verses applying to you Gentiles today are the anti-Semites who follow blindly after replacement theology.
So, I encourage you to remain vigilant in recognizing what was addressed to Israel, therefore not applying to Gentiles, and what Paul, the apostle TO the Gentiles, wrote expressly TO Gentiles. The discerning student of the Bible should know this.
MM
So, I encourage you to remain vigilant in recognizing what was addressed to Israel, therefore not applying to Gentiles, and what Paul, the apostle TO the Gentiles, wrote expressly TO Gentiles. The discerning student of the Bible should know this.
MM
Let me see if I understand what you have written. Are you saying if a person starts off being saved by grace through faith in the risen Christ, that they may sin and again be lost, but if they repent of that sin then they are once more saved? That eternal life can be viewed as depending on us as much as Jesus?
You have hit upon one of many problems in the loss of salvation belief system. They have no reasonable line of demarcation they can define as the threshold for salvation loss. Given that it takes only one sin to send any unbeliever to Hell, we all would be lost many times over every day, and dying at any moment after a sin before one could repent of that sin, Hell's borders would expect to be much enlarged.
Looking at this and how bankrupt their pathetic theological construct is in light of scripture, their system rests entirely on works-based salvation, within which there is no salvation. They are lost so long as they think that their performance has anything that could be added to grace. Paul has already stated that anything added to grace makes it no more of grace.
MM
Looking at this and how bankrupt their pathetic theological construct is in light of scripture, their system rests entirely on works-based salvation, within which there is no salvation. They are lost so long as they think that their performance has anything that could be added to grace. Paul has already stated that anything added to grace makes it no more of grace.
MM
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Rofl. Whole book??!! You've managed to share about the same four verses repeatedly, ignoring every other verse that has been shown you. You want to try remembering He will be judging you by His whole book as well. I've explained those verses from Acts you keep repeating. Nowhere in those verses is any water, that is your assumption. The fact that Peter kept baptizing in water is because he had forgotten what the Lord had told him about baptism. He kept following the same method he was used to under the Old Covenant (Jn.4:1-2). He didn't remember until after the incident with Cornelius that now it was to be done with the Holy Spirit. We are now in a New Covenant.
You should be sorry seeing as I have answered this many, many times already.
What does the next verse say?
John 3:6
That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
Jesus is talking about physical birth and spiritual birth. Water (physical), Spirit (spiritual).
Acts 2:38 does not almost say the same thing as birth and baptism are not the same thing. Baptism means to be submerged or immersed. We are not submerged when we are born, if anything we emerge.
Water cannot and never will be strong enough. A supernatural event requires a supernatural means. No-one can be baptized into Christ, the name of the Lord Jesus by any means other than the Holy Spirit.
Matthew 3:11
I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance, but He who is coming after me is mightier than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.
The irony in all of this is, because we are baptized by means of the Spirit into Christ, it guarantees our salvation as no-one is strong enough to break His promise or seal.
You should be sorry seeing as I have answered this many, many times already.
What does the next verse say?
John 3:6
That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
Jesus is talking about physical birth and spiritual birth. Water (physical), Spirit (spiritual).
Acts 2:38 does not almost say the same thing as birth and baptism are not the same thing. Baptism means to be submerged or immersed. We are not submerged when we are born, if anything we emerge.
Water cannot and never will be strong enough. A supernatural event requires a supernatural means. No-one can be baptized into Christ, the name of the Lord Jesus by any means other than the Holy Spirit.
Matthew 3:11
I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance, but He who is coming after me is mightier than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.
The irony in all of this is, because we are baptized by means of the Spirit into Christ, it guarantees our salvation as no-one is strong enough to break His promise or seal.
Best of luck.
BAPTISM
First, which baptism, that by water; or by Spirit? Which One was for whom, When?
Acts 1:5 For John baptized with water, BUT not many days from now you shall be baptized with the Holy Spirit.
Please take the time to read the rest of this chapter.
There WAS then, Two baptisms at That Time! Today, there is only ONE! That being by The Spirit Of God. I know! Those who wrongfully water baptize will scream at This. Read the scripture and argue with It!
If One takes the stance that water baptism is required, Then Jeus isn't ! For if One is spiritually cleansed by water, Why the need of THE SPIRIT OF GOD ?
First, which baptism, that by water; or by Spirit? Which One was for whom, When?
Acts 1:5 For John baptized with water, BUT not many days from now you shall be baptized with the Holy Spirit.
Please take the time to read the rest of this chapter.
There WAS then, Two baptisms at That Time! Today, there is only ONE! That being by The Spirit Of God. I know! Those who wrongfully water baptize will scream at This. Read the scripture and argue with It!
If One takes the stance that water baptism is required, Then Jeus isn't ! For if One is spiritually cleansed by water, Why the need of THE SPIRIT OF GOD ?
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We can agree on that. Come back when you're ready to put some thought into all the other verses you've been shown that prove water baptism is a thing of the past.
No such thing, so I don't need what doesn't exist.
Have a great day.
No such thing, so I don't need what doesn't exist.
Have a great day.
Your the one who TWISTS scripture to make it sound like it's the truth.
Your foundation is PETER FORGOT!!
Your foundation is just believe, no need to repent, get baptized to get rid of your sins, or receiving the Holy Ghost to be a JESUS disciple.
Nothing lives without water, Satan's plan KEEP THEM OUT OF IT, and if they do go in in keep JESUS name of of their mouth.
As you can see it's working.
I'm not going anywhere, just no need to waste my time on people who will not accept HIS WORD!!!
If that is what you think I think, you are sadly mistaken which, only goes to show you never understood a word I said. Ironically, you did say many times you didn't understand and yet here you are trying to tell me what I think without understanding. So sad.
People can read the scriptures I presented for themselves. They will see that it says we are saved by grace through faith and not of any works we do. They will see that we are baptized into Christ which no amount of water can accomplish. They will see that Peter did indeed forget that the baptism for the Church was to be with the Spirit and not John's baptism of water anymore.
Nothing lives without water? You take what applies to the physical and demand it be applied to the spiritual. I wonder how many glasses of water an angel has to drink a day to stay alive?
People can read the scriptures I presented for themselves. They will see that it says we are saved by grace through faith and not of any works we do. They will see that we are baptized into Christ which no amount of water can accomplish. They will see that Peter did indeed forget that the baptism for the Church was to be with the Spirit and not John's baptism of water anymore.
Nothing lives without water? You take what applies to the physical and demand it be applied to the spiritual. I wonder how many glasses of water an angel has to drink a day to stay alive?
It really isn't the public's business whether one is saved or not. It is between God and the individual. If another wants to know one's salvation status then ....
Matthew 7:16
You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles?
Matthew 7:16
You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles?
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The Israelites coming to John for baptism had no idea of a New Covenant. They were coming to identify with the coming Messiah he preached, a Messiah of the Old Covenant. It was their rejection that enabled the New Covenant and that New Covenant was to be inaugurated by means of the Holy Spirit hence, John baptized with water but Christ baptizes with the Holy Spirit.