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Your 100% right.
We need to righty divide the word.
When the thief on the cross died, he died OT laws. Where people had to take a sacrifice to the high priests ones a year to have their sins forgiven GOD RULES.
JESUS is our high priest and he became our sacrifice our lamb.
When JESUS was on this earth and forgave sins as he wished like the thief.
JESUS preach app 3 years, died on the cross, buried and rose again. Then he ascended to Heaven to put his blood on the mercy seat.
Hebrews 9:12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.
He then returned to earth and was here app 40 days and ascended again commanding his disciples to wait because they will be filled with the Holy Ghost. Acts 2:4-5
He ascended the second time and this was the first message of how to be reborn.
Acts 2:38-39
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
Since then until he returns again, we live in NT laws and how to be saved we need to repent, get baptized in JESUS name to get rid of our sins and receive the Holy Ghost like JESUS gave his disciples in Acts 2:4.
We need to righty divide the word.
When the thief on the cross died, he died OT laws. Where people had to take a sacrifice to the high priests ones a year to have their sins forgiven GOD RULES.
JESUS is our high priest and he became our sacrifice our lamb.
When JESUS was on this earth and forgave sins as he wished like the thief.
JESUS preach app 3 years, died on the cross, buried and rose again. Then he ascended to Heaven to put his blood on the mercy seat.
Hebrews 9:12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.
He then returned to earth and was here app 40 days and ascended again commanding his disciples to wait because they will be filled with the Holy Ghost. Acts 2:4-5
He ascended the second time and this was the first message of how to be reborn.
Acts 2:38-39
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
Since then until he returns again, we live in NT laws and how to be saved we need to repent, get baptized in JESUS name to get rid of our sins and receive the Holy Ghost like JESUS gave his disciples in Acts 2:4.
This thread was once about lost of salvation and it is not any more. It is about the bible praise GOD. So 149 pages and what have I learned. Can I take some posts and apply them to myself? Seems I can be ignorant and do not know His word, don't study enough I can oddly just ignore what someone posts and keep talking as if they said nothing. I wonder in these small things we say for I have at least thought them. I wonder when I blindly say it or just think it.. does Christ see hear it as if I am saying to Him?
Lol.. why do these stand out for me? I don't know. Far back as I can remember I always always look at someone and what is happening to them....even when I do it.. what if it was me. I don't know why I really don't why the small things we say and do really matter to the sweet sweet holy Spirit.
I read being baptized.. I personally do not believe anyone needs to be baptized to be saved yet again I personally believe its written repent.. be baptized "Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost." Did Jesus baptize? I know John the B did but Christ did with the holy Spirit yes I know the other verses yet it does not for me clearly say and no offense to anyone I don't care. HAHA if I was there? JOHN Baptize me! Jesus.. give me the holy spirit.
Gifts.. yeah don't always wonder out of all the gift (oh thank you holy Spirit) tongues it hit the most. Paul knew what was going on in that Church.. I can't ignore "I wish you all spoke in tongues" <-- this is one Greek org translation. I'm looking at my book here says verse 5 1st Cor 14 "I want now all you to speak with tongues, rather but that you should prophesy" so Paul establishing the good of tongues but the greater good of prophecy" So we know the one the prophesizes is giving a message that can be understood is of greater value to the Church then the speak er in tongues unless there is an interpretation. One trans says wish the other want. So was it just Paul some Jewish Christian wants, wishes we all believers speak in tongues or was it really the Holy Spirit? Hmm
I just happen to see this video yesterday shows a some professor one side of the table was a black man the other side white man. A ball was between them The black man saw a black ball the professor asked the white guy what do you see he says a white ball. Both men start to get upset so the professor told them to switch places. Half the ball was white the other black. Short is he said try to put your self in the other persons shoes. Each one knew they were right. Not the best but.. I like it.
So when I talk write both oh man I am awful with or at? See.. I remind myself who I am talking to? Am I really there teacher, preacher, prophet, Apostle? Am I here to correct you DUH haha no. First I want to treat it as if I am talking to Him.. and I want to see what you see.. I can know that book inside and out and that means nothing. So I try to say for me or I personally believe since its not my word to correct you. You have been taught by someone.. you read others books no matter how we try we cannot just toss that out and say "pfft the Holy Ghost is the one that taught me". I like what this preacher Chang I think said once your on a Island and you see this book BIBLE.. you never saw it before never heard of it.. Now pick it up and read it
Lol.. why do these stand out for me? I don't know. Far back as I can remember I always always look at someone and what is happening to them....even when I do it.. what if it was me. I don't know why I really don't why the small things we say and do really matter to the sweet sweet holy Spirit.
I read being baptized.. I personally do not believe anyone needs to be baptized to be saved yet again I personally believe its written repent.. be baptized "Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost." Did Jesus baptize? I know John the B did but Christ did with the holy Spirit yes I know the other verses yet it does not for me clearly say and no offense to anyone I don't care. HAHA if I was there? JOHN Baptize me! Jesus.. give me the holy spirit.
Gifts.. yeah don't always wonder out of all the gift (oh thank you holy Spirit) tongues it hit the most. Paul knew what was going on in that Church.. I can't ignore "I wish you all spoke in tongues" <-- this is one Greek org translation. I'm looking at my book here says verse 5 1st Cor 14 "I want now all you to speak with tongues, rather but that you should prophesy" so Paul establishing the good of tongues but the greater good of prophecy" So we know the one the prophesizes is giving a message that can be understood is of greater value to the Church then the speak er in tongues unless there is an interpretation. One trans says wish the other want. So was it just Paul some Jewish Christian wants, wishes we all believers speak in tongues or was it really the Holy Spirit? Hmm
I just happen to see this video yesterday shows a some professor one side of the table was a black man the other side white man. A ball was between them The black man saw a black ball the professor asked the white guy what do you see he says a white ball. Both men start to get upset so the professor told them to switch places. Half the ball was white the other black. Short is he said try to put your self in the other persons shoes. Each one knew they were right. Not the best but.. I like it.
So when I talk write both oh man I am awful with or at? See.. I remind myself who I am talking to? Am I really there teacher, preacher, prophet, Apostle? Am I here to correct you DUH haha no. First I want to treat it as if I am talking to Him.. and I want to see what you see.. I can know that book inside and out and that means nothing. So I try to say for me or I personally believe since its not my word to correct you. You have been taught by someone.. you read others books no matter how we try we cannot just toss that out and say "pfft the Holy Ghost is the one that taught me". I like what this preacher Chang I think said once your on a Island and you see this book BIBLE.. you never saw it before never heard of it.. Now pick it up and read it
I see you are still confusing being born again with the baptism of the Holy Spirit.
In every case where people believed the Gospel they were baptized with the Holy Spirit.
Ephesians 1:13
In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise,
As an example, Cornelius was already born again (spiritually alive) which is how he could hear Peter's message. Acts 10:2 The spiritually dead (those not reborn) cannot understand spiritual matters. One needs a spirit for the Holy Spirit to communicate to, this is why the "Spirit gives birth to spirit". Jn.3:6 We are spiritually dead at birth and need to be made spiritually alive. It is the first and most important step in our salvation otherwise we will never comprehend God's Kingdom or enter it.
1 Corinthians 2:14
But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
The problem is you have taken your experience and made it your theology rather than the full counsel of God's word and in doing so have twisted certain passages and have become blind to others.
I can only pray the eyes of your heart be enlightened because you are only robbing yourself of more grace to be given.
James 4:6
But He gives more grace. Therefore He says: “God resists the proud, But gives grace to the humble.”
In every case where people believed the Gospel they were baptized with the Holy Spirit.
Ephesians 1:13
In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise,
As an example, Cornelius was already born again (spiritually alive) which is how he could hear Peter's message. Acts 10:2 The spiritually dead (those not reborn) cannot understand spiritual matters. One needs a spirit for the Holy Spirit to communicate to, this is why the "Spirit gives birth to spirit". Jn.3:6 We are spiritually dead at birth and need to be made spiritually alive. It is the first and most important step in our salvation otherwise we will never comprehend God's Kingdom or enter it.
1 Corinthians 2:14
But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
The problem is you have taken your experience and made it your theology rather than the full counsel of God's word and in doing so have twisted certain passages and have become blind to others.
I can only pray the eyes of your heart be enlightened because you are only robbing yourself of more grace to be given.
James 4:6
But He gives more grace. Therefore He says: “God resists the proud, But gives grace to the humble.”
Then why do you keep asking me if I've been baptized if it's only my concern and none of yours?
And I have answered at least twice, post#2630 and #2649, you simply ignore what you don't want to hear.
Your failure to answer my question is noted and I'm guessing it's because you didn't prophesy you simply babbled away, no real language which is what speaking in tongues actually was, real human languages.
And I have answered at least twice, post#2630 and #2649, you simply ignore what you don't want to hear.
Your failure to answer my question is noted and I'm guessing it's because you didn't prophesy you simply babbled away, no real language which is what speaking in tongues actually was, real human languages.
I see you are still confusing being born again with the baptism of the Holy Spirit.
In every case where people believed the Gospel they were baptized with the Holy Spirit.
Ephesians 1:13
In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise,
As an example, Cornelius was already born again (spiritually alive) which is how he could hear Peter's message. Acts 10:2 The spiritually dead (those not reborn) cannot understand spiritual matters. One needs a spirit for the Holy Spirit to communicate to, this is why the "Spirit gives birth to spirit". Jn.3:6 We are spiritually dead at birth and need to be made spiritually alive. It is the first and most important step in our salvation otherwise we will never comprehend God's Kingdom or enter it.
1 Corinthians 2:14
But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
The problem is you have taken your experience and made it your theology rather than the full counsel of God's word and in doing so have twisted certain passages and have become blind to others.
I can only pray the eyes of your heart be enlightened because you are only robbing yourself of more grace to be given.
James 4:6
But He gives more grace. Therefore He says: “God resists the proud, But gives grace to the humble.”
In every case where people believed the Gospel they were baptized with the Holy Spirit.
Ephesians 1:13
In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise,
As an example, Cornelius was already born again (spiritually alive) which is how he could hear Peter's message. Acts 10:2 The spiritually dead (those not reborn) cannot understand spiritual matters. One needs a spirit for the Holy Spirit to communicate to, this is why the "Spirit gives birth to spirit". Jn.3:6 We are spiritually dead at birth and need to be made spiritually alive. It is the first and most important step in our salvation otherwise we will never comprehend God's Kingdom or enter it.
1 Corinthians 2:14
But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
The problem is you have taken your experience and made it your theology rather than the full counsel of God's word and in doing so have twisted certain passages and have become blind to others.
I can only pray the eyes of your heart be enlightened because you are only robbing yourself of more grace to be given.
James 4:6
But He gives more grace. Therefore He says: “God resists the proud, But gives grace to the humble.”
I don't have a CLUE what your talking about? confusing BEING BORN AGAIN with the baptizm of the Holy Spirit?
SHOW ME THAT IS HIS WORD!!
I don't have nothing confused at all, being born again you have to get baptized in JESUS name and he needs to fill you with His spirit.
"In every case where people believed the Gospel they were baptized with the Holy Spirit"
AND BAPTIZED IN JESUS NAME, NEED BOTH!!! John 3:5 Acts 2:38-39
"Ephesians 1:13
In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise,"
Ephesians 1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, to the saints which are at Ephesus, and to the faithful in Christ Jesus:
Since Paul was speaking to a church he started WAS YOU THERE TO HEAR THE WORD OF TRUTH HE IS SPEAKING OF? THE GOSPEL OF YOUR SALVATION? IN WHO YOU BELIEVED THAT YOU ARE SEALED WITH???????
WHAT WAS THAT GOSPEL?
"As an example, Cornelius was already born again (spiritually alive) which is how he could hear Peter's message. Acts 10:2 The spiritually dead (those not reborn) cannot understand spiritual matters. One needs a spirit for the Holy Spirit to communicate to, this is why the "Spirit gives birth to spirit". Jn.3:6 We are spiritually dead at birth and need to be made spiritually alive. It is the first and most important step in our salvation otherwise we will never comprehend God's Kingdom or enter it."
Peter knew HOW TO BE REBORN, so after they received the Holy Ghost like Peter did in Acts 2:4 HE KNEW THEY HAD TO BE BAPTIZED, SO HE COMMANDED THEM TO BE.
"The problem is you have taken your experience and made it your theology rather than the full counsel of God's word and in doing so have twisted certain passages and have become blind to others."
I don't have a theology!!! I just share HIS word. WHAT HAVE I TWISTED?
"I can only pray the eyes of your heart be enlightened because you are only robbing yourself of more grace to be given"
No reason to be concerned for me, I have follow what JESUS said to be reborn. I have been baptized in JESUS name and he FILLED ME WITH HIS SPIRIT. THAT IS WHY I'M HERE and NOT BACKING down on HIS WORD. I am steadfast planting seeds.
I didn't ask you if you have been baptized. I asked you "Have YOU received the Holy Ghost since you have believed? "
Matthew 12:31-32
King James Version
31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.
32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.
You are on shaking ground.
Matthew 12:31-32
King James Version
31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.
32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.
You are on shaking ground.
actually, the scripture gives seven examples:
Woman was reborn as Eve, no water baptism
Abram was reborn as Abraham, no water baptism
Sarai was reborn as Sarah, no water baptism
Jacob was reborn as Israel, no water baptism
Hoshea was reborn as Joshua, no water baptism
Solomon was reborn as Jedediah, no water baptism
Cephas was reborn as Peter, no record of water baptism
Woman was reborn as Eve, no water baptism
Abram was reborn as Abraham, no water baptism
Sarai was reborn as Sarah, no water baptism
Jacob was reborn as Israel, no water baptism
Hoshea was reborn as Joshua, no water baptism
Solomon was reborn as Jedediah, no water baptism
Cephas was reborn as Peter, no record of water baptism
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God was manifest in the flesh, and gave Himself as an atonement for our sins, so that whoever believes in Him will be saved - removing our sin in a single hour.
that He rose the third day and returned to heaven, and that He will return again to judge the quick and the dead, and make all things new.
that whoever believes has eternal life and will not come under judgment, but whoever does not, is condemned already, because they have not believed.
that He rose the third day and returned to heaven, and that He will return again to judge the quick and the dead, and make all things new.
that whoever believes has eternal life and will not come under judgment, but whoever does not, is condemned already, because they have not believed.
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i don't know where you quoted this from,
but i don't think you have noticed that it's saying Cornelius had already been reborn before Peter even came to talk to him, obviously before he was baptized.
so you've just given a Biblical example of being reborn that had everything to do with faith and nothing whatsoever to do with being immersed in H2O.
it's an example i haven't bothered to remind you of, because it is so obvious i was sure several people had already done so..
so i am glad to see you are aware of it, but puzzled why it hasn't clicked yet with you what this means.
but i don't think you have noticed that it's saying Cornelius had already been reborn before Peter even came to talk to him, obviously before he was baptized.
so you've just given a Biblical example of being reborn that had everything to do with faith and nothing whatsoever to do with being immersed in H2O.
it's an example i haven't bothered to remind you of, because it is so obvious i was sure several people had already done so..
so i am glad to see you are aware of it, but puzzled why it hasn't clicked yet with you what this means.
That is obvious.
I did, but like you said you don't understand so what's the point of keep showing you something when you cannot see?
Then how did believers understand the things of God prior to Pentecost? This was the whole point of Jesus' discussion with Nicodemus. If you want to understand spiritual matters you must be born again. An OT prophet could not prophesy unless he was born again. If one is not born again one is utterly incapable of hearing God. Again,in big letters so you can see it.
1 Corinthians 2:14
But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
Here you are again with your two baptisms. When will you learn you are only baptized into Christ once! ONE BAPTISM!!! Eph.4:5
I didn't have to be there it is written for us. From Paul's own lips.
1Cor.15:3-5
3 For I delivered to you first of all that which I also received: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4 and that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the Scriptures,
Rom.10:9-10
9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
Yes because he had forgotten what Christ told him before his Ascension. He didn't remember until after the Cornelius incident. We've been through this so many times already. Acts 11:16
And once again they are not being reborn, they are being baptized. Being made spiritually alive (rebirth) and being placed in Christ (baptism) are two different and distinct events. Being placed in Christ never occurred before Pentecost but being reborn occurred whenever someone believed in the Lord God. It's how they could hear/see Him. Without a rebirth, God (the True God), is nonsense to people. (1Cor.2:14) I have shown you these scriptures time and time again, when will you take them to heart and learn what they mean?
Then you have no understanding of God because that is what theology is in a nutshell. It's the study of God, who He is, what He has done, His relationship to His creation etc and our expression of that study.
You confuse regeneration and rebirth, you insist there are two baptisms, you think water can take away your sin when only the Lamb of God can do that. These are elemental doctrines and you get them wrong and I'm not the only one telling you.
Heb.6:1-3
Therefore, leaving the discussion of the elementary principles of Christ, let us go on to perfection, not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God, 2 of the doctrine of baptisms, of laying on of hands, of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment. 3 And this we will do if God permits.
It isn't what we do that saves us, it is Who we believe.
I did, but like you said you don't understand so what's the point of keep showing you something when you cannot see?
Then how did believers understand the things of God prior to Pentecost? This was the whole point of Jesus' discussion with Nicodemus. If you want to understand spiritual matters you must be born again. An OT prophet could not prophesy unless he was born again. If one is not born again one is utterly incapable of hearing God. Again,in big letters so you can see it.
1 Corinthians 2:14
But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
Here you are again with your two baptisms. When will you learn you are only baptized into Christ once! ONE BAPTISM!!! Eph.4:5
I didn't have to be there it is written for us. From Paul's own lips.
1Cor.15:3-5
3 For I delivered to you first of all that which I also received: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4 and that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the Scriptures,
Rom.10:9-10
9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
Yes because he had forgotten what Christ told him before his Ascension. He didn't remember until after the Cornelius incident. We've been through this so many times already. Acts 11:16
And once again they are not being reborn, they are being baptized. Being made spiritually alive (rebirth) and being placed in Christ (baptism) are two different and distinct events. Being placed in Christ never occurred before Pentecost but being reborn occurred whenever someone believed in the Lord God. It's how they could hear/see Him. Without a rebirth, God (the True God), is nonsense to people. (1Cor.2:14) I have shown you these scriptures time and time again, when will you take them to heart and learn what they mean?
Then you have no understanding of God because that is what theology is in a nutshell. It's the study of God, who He is, what He has done, His relationship to His creation etc and our expression of that study.
You confuse regeneration and rebirth, you insist there are two baptisms, you think water can take away your sin when only the Lamb of God can do that. These are elemental doctrines and you get them wrong and I'm not the only one telling you.
Heb.6:1-3
Therefore, leaving the discussion of the elementary principles of Christ, let us go on to perfection, not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God, 2 of the doctrine of baptisms, of laying on of hands, of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment. 3 And this we will do if God permits.
It isn't what we do that saves us, it is Who we believe.
