Iran attacks Israel, sends hundreds of drones, missiles

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CommodoreTeach

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International law? Its a good place for moslems to run to while they carry out their agenda. When Iran unleashed Hamas and Israel was attacked was this a violation of international law? Considering how the UN has condemned Israel for responding to the attack I think maybe international law highly over rated. At least by the left wing marxists who hate Israel and the U.S.
You can't complain about Hamas or Pearl Harbour, or Nazis or anything else, if you don't believe in law. According to you (because you insist on ignoring international law), the only crime of all such groups is that they were weaker.
 

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You can't complain about Hamas or Pearl Harbour, or Nazis or anything else, if you don't believe in law. According to you (because you insist on ignoring international law), the only crime of all such groups is that they were weaker.
Are you ok with a nuclear armed Iran? Do you believe they would strike Israel and America if they were able?
 

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Are you ok with a nuclear armed Iran? Do you believe they would strike Israel and America if they were able?
I don't believe in all the hype. If Iran wanted to nuke Israel, it could have done it through Russia or Pakistan, or any number of ways. It could have stolen a nuclear weapon or at least the design of one from the US like Israel did. Iran was not interested. What this illegal and unprovoked attack has done is simply justified any future nuclear attack, or indeed, even terrorism or any breach of international law. What the action states is that the most powerful nation in the world does not really care a jot for all the laws it previously said it cares about. It has just justified torture, Pearl Harbour, Nazi Germany, terrorism, slavery, sex trafficking etc. in a single, careless act. It has made a statement that says the only law is that might is right. Or as the well-known Satanist put it "Do as thou wilt". IMHO.
 

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You can't complain about Hamas or Pearl Harbour, or Nazis or anything else, if you don't believe in law. According to you (because you insist on ignoring international law), the only crime of all such groups is that they were weaker.
I dont believe in international law at all. In fact, considering the U.N picking sides over the years, always on the wrong side, i would love the U.S. to leave the U.N. and shut down their U.S. office. Those wanting to usher in one world government love the U.N. Is your hate limited to Israel or everyone who opposes tyrany?
 

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I dont believe in international law at all. In fact, considering the U.N picking sides over the years, always on the wrong side, i would love the U.S. to leave the U.N. and shut down their U.S. office. Those wanting to usher in one world government love the U.N. Is your hate limited to Israel or everyone who opposes tyrany?
You seem like a Zio-bot because you stated I hated Israel when I said no such thing, so I'm not intending to discuss with you further until you apologise for your defamatory statement.
 

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Thanks for the heads up. I looked at these things about 40 years ago. Amillennialism seemed baseless then and I've seen no reason to believe otherwise. If we are living in a millennial paradise, then something has gone desperately wrong and God has gone on strike.
The devil being bound currently is a very hard thing to convince someone of. Especially when in the same book of Revelation the devil is deceiving the whole earth in chapter 12.

A great way to disprove amill theology is to look at the abyss and how it works in the book of Revelation. The creatures that are locked up in the abyss in chapter 9, are released to wreck havoc on the earth. Stop and think for a minute if you're an amillennialist. These creatures that were in the abyss, were completely inactive and unable to operate on the earth until they are let out. Why would it be any different with the devil? He is in the same abyss during the millennium, why is he still so active while the other creatures in the abyss are not?

Another refutation is the idea of a first resurrection. The Scriptures declare in Revelation 20:5 "But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection." This refutes the idea of it being a spiritual resurrection, because the unsaved will experience a similar resurrection after the millennium, so if you wish to say it is a person getting baptized or entering heaven upon martyrdom, the same fate awaits the unbelievers. If it's a bodily resurrection we have no difficulty in the text.

If you are one to give any weight to the opinion of the early church, they were almost exclusively premillennial and quite close to John, the writer of the Revelation.

Final line of witness is the Tanakh, The Jewish Scriptures that talk about a restored earth, but not quite the eternal state, millennium is the only place this can be fulfilled in.
 

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You can't complain about Hamas or Pearl Harbour, or Nazis or anything else, if you don't believe in law. According to you (because you insist on ignoring international law), the only crime of all such groups is that they were weaker.
Tell me what law permits Hamas to attack Israel and prevents Israel from defending itself. What law allows the UN to fund Hamas terrorists and facilitate the theft of food aid supplied by other nations?

Funny how international law only benefits extremists and Muslim terror groups. The refugee convention has become a means of non violent invasion of the UK and Europe. Now Britain is pretty much controlled by Muslims. Eventually Muslims will be the majority because of the higher birthrate. A Muslim nation with a sophisticated, nuclear armed military. Think about the implications of that.
 

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You can't complain about Hamas or Pearl Harbour, or Nazis or anything else, if you don't believe in law. According to you (because you insist on ignoring international law), the only crime of all such groups is that they were weaker.
Tell me what law permits Hamas to attack Israel and prevents Israel from defending itself. What law allows the UN to fund Hamas terrorists and facilitate the theft of food aid supplied by other nations?

Funny how international law only benefits extremists and Muslim terror groups. The refugee convention has become a means of non violent invasion of the UK and Europe. Now Britain is pretty much controlled by Muslims. Eventually Muslims will be the majority because of the higher birthrate. A Muslim nation with a sophisticated, nuclear armed military. Think about the implications of that.
 

Gideon300

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You can't complain about Hamas or Pearl Harbour, or Nazis or anything else, if you don't believe in law. According to you (because you insist on ignoring international law), the only crime of all such groups is that they were weaker.
Tell me what law permits Hamas to attack Israel and prevents Israel from defending itself. What law allows the UN to fund Hamas terrorists and facilitate the theft of food aid supplied by other nations?

Funny how international law only benefits extremists and Muslim terror groups. The refugee convention has become a means of non violent invasion of the UK and Europe. Now Britain is pretty much controlled by Muslims. Eventually Muslims will be the majority because of the higher birthrate. A Muslim nation with a sophisticated, nuclear armed military. Think about the implications of that.
 

Komentaja

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Thanks for the heads up. I looked at these things about 40 years ago. Amillennialism seemed baseless then and I've seen no reason to believe otherwise. If we are living in a millennial paradise, then something has gone desperately wrong and God has gone on strike.
The devil being bound currently is a very hard thing to convince someone of. Especially when in the same book of Revelation the devil is deceiving the whole earth in chapter 12.

A great way to disprove amill theology is to look at the abyss and how it works in the book of Revelation. The creatures that are locked up in the abyss in chapter 9, are released to wreck havoc on the earth. Stop and think for a minute if you're an amillennialist. These creatures that were in the abyss, were completely inactive and unable to operate on the earth until they are let out. Why would it be any different with the devil? He is in the same abyss during the millennium, why is he still so active while the other creatures in the abyss are not?

Another refutation is the idea of a first resurrection. The Scriptures declare in Revelation 20:5 "But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection." This refutes the idea of it being a spiritual resurrection, because the unsaved will experience a similar resurrection after the millennium, so if you wish to say it is a person getting baptized or entering heaven upon martyrdom, the same fate awaits the unbelievers. If it's a bodily resurrection we have no difficulty in the text.

If you are one to give any weight to the opinion of the early church, they were almost exclusively premillennial and quite close to John, the writer of the Revelation.

Final line of witness is the Tanakh, The Jewish Scriptures that talk about a restored earth, but not quite the eternal state, millennium is the only place this can be fulfilled in.
 

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You can't complain about Hamas or Pearl Harbour, or Nazis or anything else, if you don't believe in law. According to you (because you insist on ignoring international law), the only crime of all such groups is that they were weaker.
I dont believe in international law at all. In fact, considering the U.N picking sides over the years, always on the wrong side, i would love the U.S. to leave the U.N. and shut down their U.S. office. Those wanting to usher in one world government love the U.N. Is your hate limited to Israel or everyone who opposes tyrany?
You seem like a Zio-bot because you stated I hated Israel when I said no such thing, so I'm not intending to discuss with you further until you apologise for your defamatory statement.
Dont look for an apology for truth.
 

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Tell me what law permits Hamas to attack Israel and prevents Israel from defending itself.
I'm pretty sure International Law prohibited terrorism, but that's out now I guess, 'cause US seems just to have said it doesn't recognise International Law.

What law allows the UN to fund Hamas terrorists and facilitate the theft of food aid supplied by other nations?
Don't commit the logical fallacy that just because we're speaking against one group of terrorists I therefore defend another.

Funny how international law only benefits extremists and Muslim terror groups. The refugee convention has become a means of non violent invasion of the UK and Europe. Now Britain is pretty much controlled by Muslims.
We're not talking about refugees, but for the record, I don't support or believe in unchecked or illegal immigration, and I never have. If we really were all against it, we would have put those who were advocating for it on trial for treason 50 years ago when it started.

Eventually Muslims will be the majority because of the higher birthrate.
Again, that's because of corrupt Western governments. Easy divorce laws, social security for broken families at the expense of ordinary families, feminism, promotion of birth control, permission for abortion etc. I don't agree with all of these things, but it's not the fault of Muslims that Western populations are in decline.

A Muslim nation with a sophisticated, nuclear armed military. Think about the implications of that.
It's overhyped, and always has been. I would much sooner an Earth where the government of every country was afraid of attacking another country, than the one we have where the greedy seem to prey upon the poor with impunity. Similar to the second amendment, but for countries.
 

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I don't believe in all the hype. If Iran wanted to nuke Israel, it could have done it through Russia or Pakistan, or any number of ways. It could have stolen a nuclear weapon or at least the design of one from the US like Israel did. Iran was not interested. What this illegal and unprovoked attack has done is simply justified any future nuclear attack, or indeed, even terrorism or any breach of international law. What the action states is that the most powerful nation in the world does not really care a jot for all the laws it previously said it cares about. It has just justified torture, Pearl Harbour, Nazi Germany, terrorism, slavery, sex trafficking etc. in a single, careless act. It has made a statement that says the only law is that might is right. Or as the well-known Satanist put it "Do as thou wilt". IMHO.
So saying death to America and death to Israel is simply rhetoric? Iran isn't funding Hamas, Hezbollah, or the Houthis?
 

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You should try to learn a bit of history. For a start, there was no nation of Palestine. It was a province of the Ottoman empire until the end of WW1. The British controlled the region until 14th May 1948. Except they pulled out. leaving the new nation of Israel to fend for itself. As an aside, the British trained Egypt's army and some Arab militias. I guess they did not do much of a job,

The Arabs only got upset when Jews started Kibbutzes and began turning useless desert into productive land. Jealousy is a curse. There was indeed conflict. While non-Muslims keep their place as inferior beings, Muslims will treat them with contempt but leave them alone, more or less. It's the principle of "Dhimmi" commonplace in Muslim nations today. Now that is true apartheid.

There are now, never have been and never will be Palestinians. They are Arabs. They could have stayed in Israel as many did, to defend against the 5 attacking nations. But a lot decided that the Arab armies were going to win, so they ran away to ensure that they were not caught up in the war. Right now there are two million Arabs in Israel. Some complain about not getting treated as well as Jewish Israelis. Others are grateful not to be living in a Muslim hell hole, especially women. Israel is not perfect. Nowhere is.

Blaming Israel simply for existing, as you do, is unspiritual and illogical. Israel was given a place to live because they have been persecuted for 2,000 years. Israel is a tiny nation of 9 million people surrounded by vast numbers of Arabs. Does any nation really need the extra land? No. So why the hostility? It's a spiritual conflict. It's that simple.

LOL.... you should learn history instead of propaganda, the nations were created by France and the UK and they intentionally withheld nation status from the people of Palestine.

As well the Arabs help the UK topple the Ottoman based on certain future promises which of course the UK failed to fulfill.
 

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So saying death to America and death to Israel is simply rhetoric? Iran isn't funding Hamas, Hezbollah, or the Houthis?
It means stop American aggression in the area since before WW II

Here is one list:

1937 Haifa Massacre

1937 Jerusalem Massacre

1937 Haifa Massacre

1936 Balad al-Sheikh Massacre

9 April 1948: Deir Yassin Massacre

The massacre was committed by the Zionist militia groups. Some victims were found maimed, raped, and then killed. Entire families were murdered. Masses of men were put in trucks to be paraded across Jerusalem before being taken to a quarry to be killed. This triggered a mass exodus of Palestinians from their homes and lands, not only in and around Jerusalem but also further afield.

13-14 May 1948: Abu Shusha Massacre

Abu Shusha was subjected to multiple assaults, culminating in the decisive attack and fell to occupation on 14 May. The remaining inhabitants were forcibly displaced on 21 May.

15 May 1948 – 10 March 1949: Arab-Israeli War

May 1948: Tantura Massacre

The village surrendered to Israeli forces. IOF launched an assault on the village, resulting in the massacre of nearly 200 Palestinians. Three possible mass graves have since been found.

11 July 1948: Lydda Massacre

Lydda and Ramle, two towns originally designated to be part of an Arab state in Palestine as per the UN Partition Plan of 1947, ultimately came under Israeli control. While estimates of the death toll vary, it is believed that over 400 Lydda residents lost their lives. Unfortunately, the tragedy did not conclude with the massacre. Israel made the decision to forcibly remove all residents from the city.

October 1948: Saliha Massacre & Al-Dawayima Massacre

Al-Dawayima was one of the largest villages in the Hebron area, and the subsequent massacre unfolded in three distinct stages: first in homes and alleyways, followed by the village mosque, and ultimately within a cave. A total of 455 individuals lost their lives, consisting of 280 men and the rest women and children.

October 1953: Qibya Massacre

IOF massacred over 69 Palestinian villagers, with approximately two-thirds of the victims being women and children. The attack also resulted in the destruction of 45 houses, a school, and a mosque.



October 1956: Kafr Qasim Massacre

Israel imposed a curfew on the Arab villages that bordered Jordan. When villagers returned after curfew they were fired on at close range. In one hour they killed 49 residents of the village.

November 1956: Khan Yunis Massacre

IOF soldiers conducted a brutal house-to-house search for fedayeen, leading to the estimated loss of 275 to 400 Palestinian lives. A mass grave was uncovered, revealing the remains of 40 Palestinian men who had been bound and executed.

Sept 1982: Sabra & Shatila Massacres

The IOF surrounded Palestinian refugee camps in West Beirut. They authorised the right-wing Cchristian Phalangist militia to enter. The militia massacred nearly 3000 Palestinian refugees and Lebanese civilians in two days of violence.

October 1990: Al-Aqsa Massacre/Black Monday

Israeli security forces were responsible for the deaths of 17 Palestinians, and more than 150 Palestinians suffered injuries.

Feb 1994: The Ibrahimi Mosque Massacre

During Ramadan, an American-Israeli Zionist extremist opened fire on Palestinian Muslims who were in prayer at the Ibrahimi Mosque in Hebron. This resulted in the deaths of 29 people, some as young as 12 years old, and left 125 others wounded.

April 2002: Jenin Refugee Camp

During the Second Intifada, IOF launched a military operation in the Jenin Refugee Camp situated in the West Bank. Israel deployed infantry, commando forces, assault helicopters, tanks, and bulldozers, resulting in the tragic loss of at least 54 Palestinian lives.

2008-09: The Gaza Massacre

Israel initiated a large-scale military campaign in the Gaza Strip on 27 December 2008. On 3 January 2009, the Israeli ground invasion was launched, resulting in the estimated deaths of 1,166 to 1,417 Palestinians.

2012: Assassinations of Hamas leaders in Gaza

Israel assassinated a series of Hamas leaders. In response, Gazan factions launched numerous projectiles into Israel. Israeli attacks intensified, murdering 165 Palestinians, including 42 children, and injuring 1,220 Palestinians, including 430 children.

2014: The Gaza War

This marked the third major military confrontation between Israel and Hamas since Hamas assumed control of the Gaza Strip in 2007. Israel then launched a ground invasion into Gaza, resulting in the loss of 2,205 Palestinian lives.

2018-19: Great March of Return

The Gaza border protests were a series of peaceful demonstrations. Over the course of these protests, IOF were responsible for the loss of 223 Palestinian lives, while more than 13,000 Palestinians sustained injuries, the majority of which were severe.

2021: Al Aqsa Mosque Attack

In response to protests by Palestinians in East Jerusalem, the Israeli police forcefully entered the Al-Aqsa Mosque compound, injuring over 600. Hamas responded with a multitude of rockets. Israel’s airstrikes killed 260 Palestinians, half of them children and 1948 were injured, including 610 children and 400 women.
 

Cameron143

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It means stop American aggression in the area since before WW II

Here is one list:

1937 Haifa Massacre

1937 Jerusalem Massacre

1937 Haifa Massacre

1936 Balad al-Sheikh Massacre

9 April 1948: Deir Yassin Massacre

The massacre was committed by the Zionist militia groups. Some victims were found maimed, raped, and then killed. Entire families were murdered. Masses of men were put in trucks to be paraded across Jerusalem before being taken to a quarry to be killed. This triggered a mass exodus of Palestinians from their homes and lands, not only in and around Jerusalem but also further afield.

13-14 May 1948: Abu Shusha Massacre

Abu Shusha was subjected to multiple assaults, culminating in the decisive attack and fell to occupation on 14 May. The remaining inhabitants were forcibly displaced on 21 May.

15 May 1948 – 10 March 1949: Arab-Israeli War

May 1948: Tantura Massacre

The village surrendered to Israeli forces. IOF launched an assault on the village, resulting in the massacre of nearly 200 Palestinians. Three possible mass graves have since been found.

11 July 1948: Lydda Massacre

Lydda and Ramle, two towns originally designated to be part of an Arab state in Palestine as per the UN Partition Plan of 1947, ultimately came under Israeli control. While estimates of the death toll vary, it is believed that over 400 Lydda residents lost their lives. Unfortunately, the tragedy did not conclude with the massacre. Israel made the decision to forcibly remove all residents from the city.

October 1948: Saliha Massacre & Al-Dawayima Massacre

Al-Dawayima was one of the largest villages in the Hebron area, and the subsequent massacre unfolded in three distinct stages: first in homes and alleyways, followed by the village mosque, and ultimately within a cave. A total of 455 individuals lost their lives, consisting of 280 men and the rest women and children.

October 1953: Qibya Massacre

IOF massacred over 69 Palestinian villagers, with approximately two-thirds of the victims being women and children. The attack also resulted in the destruction of 45 houses, a school, and a mosque.



October 1956: Kafr Qasim Massacre

Israel imposed a curfew on the Arab villages that bordered Jordan. When villagers returned after curfew they were fired on at close range. In one hour they killed 49 residents of the village.

November 1956: Khan Yunis Massacre

IOF soldiers conducted a brutal house-to-house search for fedayeen, leading to the estimated loss of 275 to 400 Palestinian lives. A mass grave was uncovered, revealing the remains of 40 Palestinian men who had been bound and executed.

Sept 1982: Sabra & Shatila Massacres

The IOF surrounded Palestinian refugee camps in West Beirut. They authorised the right-wing Cchristian Phalangist militia to enter. The militia massacred nearly 3000 Palestinian refugees and Lebanese civilians in two days of violence.

October 1990: Al-Aqsa Massacre/Black Monday

Israeli security forces were responsible for the deaths of 17 Palestinians, and more than 150 Palestinians suffered injuries.

Feb 1994: The Ibrahimi Mosque Massacre

During Ramadan, an American-Israeli Zionist extremist opened fire on Palestinian Muslims who were in prayer at the Ibrahimi Mosque in Hebron. This resulted in the deaths of 29 people, some as young as 12 years old, and left 125 others wounded.

April 2002: Jenin Refugee Camp

During the Second Intifada, IOF launched a military operation in the Jenin Refugee Camp situated in the West Bank. Israel deployed infantry, commando forces, assault helicopters, tanks, and bulldozers, resulting in the tragic loss of at least 54 Palestinian lives.

2008-09: The Gaza Massacre

Israel initiated a large-scale military campaign in the Gaza Strip on 27 December 2008. On 3 January 2009, the Israeli ground invasion was launched, resulting in the estimated deaths of 1,166 to 1,417 Palestinians.

2012: Assassinations of Hamas leaders in Gaza

Israel assassinated a series of Hamas leaders. In response, Gazan factions launched numerous projectiles into Israel. Israeli attacks intensified, murdering 165 Palestinians, including 42 children, and injuring 1,220 Palestinians, including 430 children.

2014: The Gaza War

This marked the third major military confrontation between Israel and Hamas since Hamas assumed control of the Gaza Strip in 2007. Israel then launched a ground invasion into Gaza, resulting in the loss of 2,205 Palestinian lives.

2018-19: Great March of Return

The Gaza border protests were a series of peaceful demonstrations. Over the course of these protests, IOF were responsible for the loss of 223 Palestinian lives, while more than 13,000 Palestinians sustained injuries, the majority of which were severe.

2021: Al Aqsa Mosque Attack

In response to protests by Palestinians in East Jerusalem, the Israeli police forcefully entered the Al-Aqsa Mosque compound, injuring over 600. Hamas responded with a multitude of rockets. Israel’s airstrikes killed 260 Palestinians, half of them children and 1948 were injured, including 610 children and 400 women.
Do you actually answer questions asked? Please answer the questions I asked.
 

HeIsHere

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Trump has attacked Iran.

Let’s lay out some ground rules first.

Some Democrats are saying this is unconstitutional and that he has bypassed congress.

It is not.

Congress has not declared war or anything since Pearl Harbor.

The attack was well within the president’s prerogative to carry out.

The question is what will happen now?

It is unconstitutional.
Just shows the decline of your Constitutional Republic since WW II.

This was a completely unprovoked attack... hmm what were you saying about Russia.
 

HeIsHere

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Blaming Israel simply for existing, as you do, is unspiritual and illogical. Israel was given a place to live because they have been persecuted for 2,000 years. Israel is a tiny nation of 9 million people surrounded by vast numbers of Arabs. Does any nation really need the extra land? No. So why the hostility? It's a spiritual conflict. It's that simple.
Yeah, that is the surface reason the real reason was economic.
 

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The prophecies concerning Iran in Jeremiah 49 have been fulfilled, so I am looking at the prophecies concerning Babylon (the US) which are next up.

Jeremiah 50:1 The word that the Lord spake against Babylon and against the land of the Chaldeans by Jeremiah the prophet.

I have shared extensively on why I believe that the Great Babylon refers to the USA and Chaldeans refer to elite warriors, the US military. Here is the link: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1yQatkwB8A2Xi6og2WRxNvfw3CEV0n2_n/view?usp=sharing

2 Declare ye among the nations, and publish, and set up a standard; publish, and conceal not: say, Babylon is taken, Bel is confounded, Merodach is broken in pieces; her idols are confounded, her images are broken in pieces.


This is going to be front page news, all the newscasters will be shouting this news out. The mockers and scoffers make fun of “newspaper prophets” but it is clear from this word that this prophecy being fulfilled is front page news. Bel and Merodach are two idols in Babylon. Bel would refer to the US economy, one major idol in the US is the economy, the job, the house with the picket fence, the big fat retirement account, etc. That will be confounded. The word means perplexed, amazed, confused and bewildered. Imagine what happens if all banking records are destroyed! It would be total confusion. Merodach means pure Lord and the other idol in the US is our military might. Trump, Hegseth and the Chairman of the joint chiefs of staff all expressed the fact that they see the US military as the supreme might on this earth.

3 For out of the north there cometh up a nation against her, which shall make her land desolate, and none shall dwell therein: they shall remove, they shall depart, both man and beast.


If you go North of the USA you come to Canada. It is completely implausible to suggest Canada will come and attack the US. North of Canada is the North Pole. However, if Russia attacks the US you could say they are coming over the North pole. I have even heard they have nuclear submarines in the arctic ocean which could fire at us, so that would certainly be an attack “coming out of the north”.

4 In those days, and in that time, saith the Lord, the children of Israel shall come, they and the children of Judah together, going and weeping: they shall go, and seek the Lord their God.

Israel was divided into two kingdoms, you had the ten tribes known as “Israel” to the North, and you had the two tribes known as Judah to the South. I liken this to the USA representing the ten tribes and Israel representing the two tribes. Today 49% of Jews live in Israel and 49% live in the US. Once the Great Babylon is destroyed economically and militarily the Jews in the US will flee to Israel. They will go weeping because without the US it would seem the world will annihilate Israel. And, they will seek the Lord because they will realize we can no longer trust in our own strength.

5 They shall ask the way to Zion with their faces thitherward, saying, Come, and let us join ourselves to the Lord in a perpetual covenant that shall not be forgotten.

After World War 2 many Jews went to Israel realizing that if they continued to live among the nations they would be wiped off the face of the earth. The only place they had a perpetual covenant that shall not be forgotten is with God in Israel. Many false prophets are trying to preach that God has forgotten that the covenant with the Jews is perpetual, that God is not faithful. But many other Jews sought safety in the US, they will discover when the Great Babylon is destroyed that there is no safety outside of the covenant that they have with God. They were the ones that forgot, they were the ones who didn’t consider that the covenant was perpetual. So they will return to Israel to join themselves to the Lord holding onto the promise that it is a perpetual covenant and that God has not forgotten.

6 My people hath been lost sheep: their shepherds have caused them to go astray, they have turned them away on the mountains: they have gone from mountain to hill, they have forgotten their resting place.

That is very true of Jews in the US.

7 All that found them have devoured them: and their adversaries said, We offend not, because they have sinned against the Lord, the habitation of justice, even the Lord, the hope of their fathers.

Again, that was true of the Romans, of the Spaniards, the Russians and the Germans.

8 Remove out of the midst of Babylon, and go forth out of the land of the Chaldeans, and be as the he goats before the flocks.

Again, this is the point of the destruction of the US, to get the Jews to leave and return to Israel. That means that NYC, California and Florida will be destroyed as the three major places where Jews reside in the US. The he goats at the front of the flock are leaders who are not afraid. The Targum translates this “as princes at the head of their people”.